I am in the market for an AR.  I own a Beretta 92 9mm.  I then took a peek at the Beretta Storm 9mm.  I thought this may be a better alternative as I can leverage the ammo.  I doubt I will need fire power beyond 100 yards.  Am I totally out in left field for considering the Storm rather than the AR?  Any comments would be appreciated.

No, it is not.

I promise this site won't be biased in it's decision....

How about an AR15 in 9mm format?

You're not going to get Beretta mags to work, but Olympic has a version with a dedicated Glock lower.

Remeber in high school shop class, when the teacher with 9 fingers would tell you "use the right tool for the right job".  This is what he was referring to.

No.

The answer to your question can be found below.........
HELL FUCKEN NO !!!!!! ARE YOU FUCKEN CRAZY????

HS1

Quoted: I promise this site won't be biased in it's decision....

This site has nothing to do with it, the capabilities of a pistol caliber round are pathetic when compared to that of a rifle.

In a SHTF senario you are going to want to punch windshields. windows. Dry wall, and light cover. The 9mm will not do that. You need the AR in 223. or a good AK. If you go cheap you will regret it, and if you want a carbine, buy a glock 21, and get the carbine upper offered on gunbroker.

Quoted: they offering the Storm in 5.56?

I've not heard any rumors, but that don't mean Jack. Beretta mags?

I'd rather see a Glock in .223/5.56. Carbine that is.

HS1

Hmm...rifle with a rifle caliber or rifle with a pistol caliber...I think I'd go with the AR.

Plastic hammer.
A trigger that makes the highpoint trigger feel good.

I n fact get the highpoint. It has a metal hammer, better trigger and costs $200 less.

beretta storm to ar15?   ar15


beretta storm to 9mm ar carbine?  9mm ar carbine

Well, if you can live with a 9mm carbine, the Storm is not a bad choice, as the magazines are interchangeable with your 92FS.  Just be aware of the ballistic limitations noted by the other posters.  You might want to look into the Box 'O Truth to see if a 9mm is enough to suit you.

www.theboxotruth.com/

COME ON......No one's said it?  In classic AR15.com language,

"GET BOTH"

The Storm might be tempting, however, go with the AR... if you want 9mm, get a 9mm AR.

Quoted: In a SHTF senario you are going to want to punch windshields. windows. Dry wall, and light cover. The 9mm will not do that. You need the AR in 223. or a good AK. If you go cheap you will regret it, and if you want a carbine, buy a glock 21, and get the carbine upper offered on gunbroker.

ahh ive read that 9mm has more over penetration than 5.56...................

Quoted: Quoted: In a SHTF senario you are going to want to punch windshields. windows. Dry wall, and light cover. The 9mm will not do that. You need the AR in 223. or a good AK. If you go cheap you will regret it, and if you want a carbine, buy a glock 21, and get the carbine upper offered on gunbroker. ahh ive read that 9mm has more over penetration than 5.56...................

in home defense situations i have read the same.

A 9mm carbine will do subgun things. It will not do rifle things. The two are different.

A Storm could be matched up against, say, a Calico or HK94, or Colt 9mm.

Quoted: I am in the market for an AR.  I own a Beretta 92 9mm.  I then took a peek at the Beretta Storm 9mm.  I thought this may be a better alternative as I can leverage the ammo.  I doubt I will need fire power beyond 100 yards.  Am I totally out in left field for considering the Storm rather than the AR?  Any comments would be appreciated.

JUST BUY A COLT 9MM AR15  VERY DURABLE AND RELIABLE / A GREAT BLOW BACK GUN  

Hell No!

Quoted: Quoted: Plastic hammer. A trigger that makes the highpoint trigger feel good. I n fact get the highpoint. It has a metal hammer, better trigger and costs $200 less. Whoa whoa whoa.  The Storm has a PLASTIC hammer?! Wow.  That's enough to kill it for me.

It has a polymer hammer....same as an AUG.

The Storm has been around for a good while now, and has had sufficient time for bugs to show up. I haven't heard of a single hammer failure....have you? If the polymer hammer was a weakness, wouldn't it have become alarmingly apparent by now?

I don't have the article handy, but I recall Beretta claiming that their FCG group had withstood 1,000,000 cycles during testing. I think it was American Rifleman, I'll look through my pile at home and see if I still have that issue. In any case, I'd like to see any metal AR trigger group go that distance. A good polymer hammer should outlast a steel one.

I know, in my Storm which has 5k through it, the hammer doesn't even look used.

The trigger on a Storm is easy to improve. 10 minutes of file work with a resin file and I took mine to a crisp 5lbs, which feels darn good.


Now, I don't claim the Storm is a substitute for an AR....it's not it's a pistol and the AR is a rifle, but as far as pistol carbines go the Storm is a fine, handy and light weapon and I highly recommend it. For what a decent pistol costs, it can't be beat.

How about the best of both worlds..an AR carbine with a 9mm Buffer and you can name it Storm

Its up to you but I would go with the rifle round myself, its fast and hard hitting, if you don't like the 5.56 you can get a 308 ar-15

I was a fan of the Storm until I fired it.  Wasn't impressed, in fact it's the only gun I've fired that I never want to fire again.

Quoted: I was a fan of the Storm until I fired it.  Wasn't impressed, in fact it's the only gun I've fired that I never want to fire again.

I must say, as a fan of the Storm, you are one of the very few people that didn't enjoy the gun. I've handed mine to 50 or more people at shoots and I've never run into anyone who didn't grin, say "I want one" or "wow, this is neat".

I myself didn't care for its looks or the idea of it until I held one, and then I had to have it.

Not a viable alternative.
A rifle caliber weapon should always be preferred.
There is nothing a Storm can do that an AR cannot do better.

Get Both! Here's a range report I did a while back.

I just took my new Storm out to the range for the first time. I also took my 9mm "Colt-style" AR15 to do a side by side comparison. Both were fed Wincheser white box 115gr FMJ Wal Mart special. I tried to make this as unbiased as possible. Even though my 9mm AR has always been my favorite and the newness of the Storm hasn't worn off I am going to try to put both feelings aside. Here is what I came up with: 9mm AR15: Specs: RRA 16" upper, Bushmaster lower, Fobus grips, YHM Specter FF forearm, RRA 4-position stock, ASA mag block, Promag magazines, EOtech 502 6 moa dot, and Magpul rail panels. The good. The 9mm AR will always have a special place in my safe, I built it from parts and it is unique. It is pretty accuarate too. I can usually shoot a 3" tattered hole in any target with enough ammo at 25 yards oft-hand. It is quick and agile. Not to mention fun to shoot. The recoil and report are minimal, and manageable during rapid fire. Since it is an AR it has all the cool mounting options, accessories, and other things you can piece together like an adult Lego set. The stock is also adjustable. Which to me is important depending on the season and the amount of clothing I have on, as well as others of different stature being able to shoot it comfortably. There are also tons of 25-30 round magazines available. The bad. This was definitely the expensive route to get a 9mm carbine. I don't recall the exact dollar amount but around $1000 sounds right. It's a pretty hefty gun too. I can usually shoot about 15 rounds before my arms start to fatigue. I am no body builder, but I don't think I am a weakling either. There is no bolt hold open with the Uzi and promag magazines I am using, so last shot bolt hold open doesn't work. 9mm CX4 Storm: Specs: Stock Beretta CX4 9mm Storm and factory 92f magazines. The good. This a pretty light weight compact carbine. The controls (safety, mag release, and bolt release) are easily accessible. It has quite a few mounting options, such as side, top, and bottom rails. The iron sights flip away when using optics. The stock is adjustable using spacers. Everything is also reversible for left handed shooters.The recoil and report are both minimal, and it is easily controlled during rapid fire. Factory magazines are available (as well as non-factory 30 rnd), and it has the last shot bolt hold open feature. It is also a pretty reasonably priced carbine, especially from Beretta where heir 92F is priced as much as the Storm. The bad. The sight towers seem like they would interfere with the field of view when using optics. Even though the stock is adjustable in length it involves a screw driver and some time to change around. The pistol grip is what you get, no way to change it out. 9mm AR15 vs 9mm Storm: Stock: The AR15 wins here. There are far more options for stocks on the AR. However, just comparing a 4-position telescopic stock vs the Beretta's stock, the AR wins. It is much quicker and easier to adjust length of tools or time. Recoil and Report: Tie. Though the Storm has slightly more "kick" but the report seems less than the AR. Weight and length: The Storm wins. The Storm is lighter and more compact. Granted you can probably lose some weight on the AR and get it SBR'd, but comparing the two guns I shotwithout takinf any SBR opton into consideration, the Storm was lighter and shorter. Mounting options: Tie. At first I thought the AR1 had it hands down. Then I considered the options for the Storm and what a practical person would want to mount on their weapons. Like the 9mm AR15 the Storm as mounting options on the top, both sides, and bottom. As well as a pull out rail under the barrel. The AR15 has a 4 rail FF tube. Inch for inch th AR has more real estate, but when you consider the amount of space you actually need to mount an optic, light, vertical foregrip, and possibly a laser, both have plenty of room. Accessories: The AR15 wins. We all know you can swap out ertually every par on the AR15 for something more "tactical" or ergonomic to tailor fit the weapon to your individual needs. The Storm has some accessories, but its design limits its modularity. Accuracy: Another tie. I shot at 20 feet and 25 yards, bench rest supported and standing unsupported. Both were very accurate in both situations. However, when I shot the AR15 at 25 yards it was right on the money, but shot extremely low at 20 feet unlike the Storm which was pretty close to point of aim at both 25 yards and 20 feet. I called this one a tie because the grouping of the shots were tight and accurate. Price: The Storm wins. At $600 for a complete rifle with 2 magazines, the Storm is the cheapest compared to an AR15. Even a simple 9mm AR15 without accessories is still a couple hundred more than a Storm. Sighting: Tie. This is a hard one to judge. When comparing iron sights between the two, they are very similar. Both have a rear peep sight with 2 apetures. Both have a front post. The stock Storm sights do have the option to flip down, while stok AR15 sights do not. However, one can remove the sites all together from an AR and replace the sites with aftermarket options, like I had done. The Storm is stuck with what it has. Even though my AR as an EOTech, I thought it would be unfair to compare optics to irons. This is more of an accessories diference though. Iron sights to iron sights, they are equal in function. Comfort: The Storm wins. The Storm fit much better for me. The smooth and flowing lines made it comfortable to shoot. It is much lighter and easier to shoot for sustained periods before muscles start to fatigue. The cheek weld is good and the plastic forearms feels good to the touch. The shorter overall length adds to the compact feel of it. Reliability: Tie. I have put thousands of rounds through the AR15. The only issues I ever had were related to a cheap USA Uzi magazine. Otherwise, it is flawless. I have only put about 300 rounds through the Storm, but at this point it hasn't given me any reason to doubt its reliability. I didn't have any issues in the 300 rounds I fired. However, my first 300 rounds in he AR15 had issues, even though they were magazine related. The Bottom Line: This is tough, really tough. They both are top end carbines, accurate and customizable. I did leave a couple differences out of the comparison. Magazine well placement and familiararty of controls have come up in past comparisons, but doesn't really seem to be relevent when comparing two different guns. People are smart (for the most part) and adaptable. They are able to learn to use more than one weapon efficiently. So to me it isn't a fair issue, just an argument people that are afraid of change use. Anyway, wit that aside, I think the Beretta Storm is my new favorite. My opinion is prone to change, but when given the price, feel, accuracy, aftermarket options, functionality, and reliabiltiy, the Storm has won for me.

Remarkable comparison.  I appreciate your comments.  I held a Storm at a gun show and it impressed me.  I will use your comments to make my selection.  Thanks.

Nope.

I  like the Storm alot. I'd sooner buy one than a 9mm AR. If the limitations of the pistol rounds isn't an issue, then it's a great choice. It is FUN, thats for sure. I didn't think the trigger was that bad. I guess I'l have to go shoot it again.....  

I have both also....great guns.  No problems with my either but if I had to choose it would be an AR in a rifle caliber.

I bought one of the first storm carbines in Italy, I was present at my area presentation of the CX4; it was held by a carabinieri officer.

When he told Us (myself, and a bunch of security guards) about the various features of the storm, I was shacking my head in a no-no way..he was very upset, i Proceded to put my perspective without having to fire a rounds, judging only by look (after, I shot it extensively to prove my points).

It's necessary to put in clear view the FUNCTION of the CX4.

If it's intended as a range gun, a toy, a training aid, is barely adequate.

If it's intended as a fighting tool, it has too many shortcoming.

Let's begin:

THE STOCK:
It's not modular, in order to vary lenght you have to screw spacers and install buttpad.
It's aestethic over funtion; the junction between the stock and grip lend to an awkward grip position, expecially when you have to change magazines and in order to depress the catch you have to rotate your grip. It's comfortable, however, and fast to mount.

THE CONTROLS:
Are ergonomically very flawed, trigger pull is horrible, long take up, gritty feeling, creepy and very heavy. In orderd to move in CQB, you have to engage-disengage safety at will, and with ease. Not so with the storm carbine, the safety is a push button similar to a shotgun one, very heavy to push and to engage it you have to completely change your grip position.
Bolt knob is plastic, it's short, small, and slippery when wet. Bolt release is oversized without reason, if you have a firing grip that rides the thumb high (IPSC grip) you can accidentally activate it. All controls are ambidexterous. Magazine catch is too small and too recessed.

Rails are made of plastic (I mean the side and bottom rails), if you fire hot 9mm rds, tend to flex and the equipment come loose. Top rail is secure only if you loctite the screws. Sights are very flawed, shor range peep is too small (1.5mm) and front sight is too wide at the bottom, narrowing at the top. Sights are collasable, but the ears covering them interfering with a red dot mounted on top rail. The dot that is offered with the storm (in italy), the burris speedmaster, is absolute crap. I sold mine. Sling mounting is awkward there are two studs(sp) on the bottom of stock and forward.

Using the bottom rail to mount a front grip, the grip is too forward, and the shooting position is very tensed, innatural.

The storm is very accurate I routinely engage15" plates at 100 yds as a warm up for my shooting session. It's also reliable, but beware of some beretta magazines with weak springs.

I modded my storm as follow:

-cut stock junction, installed a self made oversize magazine catch, oversize bolt catch, steel side rail, I'm waiting for a bottom rail to be bolted where I think is appropriate for a front grip. I also enlarged short range peep to 2.5mm, and narrowed my front sight to 1.4mm uniform top to bottom.

I also installed a self made fake flash hider (it's illegal in italy to have a flash hider that is not factory made). It's just for looks, I know, but that skinny barrel protruding was uglier than a tax officer at 9.am at your office.

So, all in all, do I recommand the CX4 STORM?..the answer is in the photo below...I use the storm for fun and games, and the thing on top for serious business. Take care.

Hey the storm is good enough for the crew of the Galactica

I have a Storm as well as a 9mm conversion AR and I like them both. They are in 2 different configurations Storm is a sporting carbine vs AR is a tactical rifle/carbine)so I can't compare one to the other. They are both great weapons!!!  You have to decide what you want and what you want it for. If you're really concerned about spending $200-$300 more for an AR, you probablydon't know what the AR style rifles are all about or don't care. If all you want id a 9mm carbine, go for the Storm. If you want to have a better feel (at least I do) then go for the AR.  Needless to say,(like I mentioned above) I like them both.

Hope you find what you're looking for...

Good Luck!!!

Edited to ask....

Underdog, Is that conversion on your Storm legal? I like the way it looks. I thought you couldn't modify an imported sporting rifle.

Quoted: Hey the storm is good enough for the crew of the Galactica

Exactly what I was thinking...

Actually, I am considering getting a Storm.  Cheaper than a 9mm AR.  I already own a Bushy AR and a DPMS .22LR kit.

Thought about doing a 9mm upper, but I am already considering a dedicated upper for my .22LR kit.  And then it wouldn't be long until I decided I might as well have a dedicat4ed lower for it, etc...  At least, if I get a storm, the Black Rifle disease won't cause me to spend incredibale amounts of money on it.  A Storm and a red dot, end of game...

With my AR, I am constantly looking to add something, play with something, etc...