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Posted: 10/10/2007 11:47:05 AM EDT
Hi guys

I've almost decided on buying an AR15 5.56 M4 style carbine. My budget is not too high, since I'm still a student and want to save som money for ammo as well I really like the M4 style carbines, so I've been looking hard at a Stag Model 2 for just under 800$. I also looked a bit at the DPMS AP4 but it's a bit hard to find it with a chrome lined barrel (everyone tells me the wait is at least three months). Are there any other brands I should take a look at, or just buy the Stag and be happy?
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 11:47:42 AM EDT
stag makes a damn nice rifle.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 11:50:51 AM EDT
+1 I have a Stag 2T...it is sweet!
plus it it already chrome lined.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 11:50:58 AM EDT
i'll 2nd that notion...

+1 for Stag!!!
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 11:55:31 AM EDT
If I was in the market for a new carbine,
I would buy it and be happy!
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 11:59:53 AM EDT
Stag all the way.
Never had any problems with mine.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 12:01:29 PM EDT
If you want an off the shelf AR in that price range, Stag is the way to go...
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 12:02:21 PM EDT
think the general consensus is DPMS makes a fine rifle, but stag is a step above that.

i like my AR15.com SEBR bushmaster from 2005. that was a steal at 750.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 12:12:24 PM EDT
Get a Stag, you'll be happy.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 12:15:28 PM EDT
Why buy NEW? Buy a used one off the EE and save a couple hundred bucks! Learn the rifle, shoot the piss out of it, and when you hve more money buy a new gun with more extras or just upgrade the one you bought used.

Link Posted: 10/10/2007 12:21:53 PM EDT
Get a STAG and have money left for mags and some ammo
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 12:26:27 PM EDT
Stag makes a damn good rifle. I just really wish they didn't put a deer head on their lowers. But that's a pretty petty complaint.

Another idea/option would be a CMMG bargain barrel special. $550 gets you a decent shooter that you could later trade in for a new CMMG and I've heard they will give you the full amount towards the trade. That's a rockin' proposition.

At least that way you could take the extra ~$300 and put it towards an optic (used aimpoint, etc).

Good luck,
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 12:30:38 PM EDT
Stag complete parts kit $633

Just add any stripped lower.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 1:14:53 PM EDT
The BM snake looks pretty dumb too.

Though a deer head only costs you a hundred bucks instead of $195.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 1:59:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By lelandeod:
Stag makes a damn good rifle. I just really wish they didn't put a deer head on their lowers. But that's a pretty petty complaint.

Another idea/option would be a CMMG bargain barrel special. $550 gets you a decent shooter that you could later trade in for a new CMMG and I've heard they will give you the full amount towards the trade. That's a rockin' proposition.

At least that way you could take the extra ~$300 and put it towards an optic (used aimpoint, etc).

Good luck,


whre is this CMMG special you are refering to?
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 2:26:54 PM EDT
Yes wher is this special you speak of?
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 2:38:27 PM EDT
Go here and buy the complete stag upper for $495

www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Stag_Arms_2H_Complete_.223_Upper_for_AR_type_Rifle.html

This tapco six position stock for under $68

www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/AR15_M16_T6_6-Position_Collapsible_Stock.html

This lower parts kit for $59.95

www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/DPMS_AR15_Lower_Parts_Kit.html

And pickup a stripped lower for about $90 and you will have a little more money for mags and ammo.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 2:43:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 2:50:29 PM EDT
ads tactical ar's run $825.00 and are much nicer than both stag an dpms.

Ads tacitcal
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 2:55:49 PM EDT
i have a stag m4gery and love it, you will be proud
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 3:05:18 PM EDT
The CMMG deal is good for somebody who is on a very very very tight budget. I have seen barrels and barrels of these exact ARs at our local gun shows. I gaurantee that one of these could very easily be cleaned up and turned in to a nice beater/trunk type gun, none of them are safe queens..........but for $550 what do you expect? The only problem I have is that for just over $550 you could build a NEW AR. I would drop the $550 in a heart beat if I could choose one of the CMMG rifles from the bargin bin, however I wouldnt for a DPMS.

ETA- IIRC, all the flaws on the rifles in the bargin bins are circled, so you know what the problem is. I remember at one time seeing rifles with roll marks that were just bairly stamped or the stamp didnt stamp correctly. example: I saw a DPMS rifle where the panther stamp didnt come out correctly, from 3 feet away you would never know the difference. Most of the rifles seemd to have at least a few light marks on them, but nothing you couldnt clean up! Good luck!
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 3:31:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/10/2007 4:43:32 PM EDT by ironrain]
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Originally Posted By mLeong:
Hi guys

I've almost decided on buying an AR15 5.56 M4 style carbine. My budget is not too high, since I'm still a student and want to save som money for ammo as well he


I bought one of these Anvil Arms carbines, you can't go wrong, you get a carbine course too.... good luck whatever you buy....
www.anvilarms.com/c-14-carbines.aspx

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-8/1271708/Picture006.jpg
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 3:52:36 PM EDT
By simply buying the 3 main components (complete upper, complete lower, and bolt carrier + changing handle) and putting them together myself I saved a significant amount of money. The cheapest I could find a NIB (NJ legal hop
Stag Arms A2 complete lower - $235 from arms-n-ammo.com
Bushmaster 14.5" AWB compliant complete M4 upper w/ perm attached izzy compensator - $400 from pkfirearms.com
Rock River Arms bolt carrier assembly & forged charging handle - $125 from pkfirearms.com

total $760
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 4:35:43 PM EDT
CMMG has a sale going on where you can buy a used rifle for $550. Decent manufacturers. would be a good starter rifel.

Bushmasters are good and at a decent price. and the S&W M&P are supposedly nice rifles.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 5:02:11 PM EDT
Thanks for the inputs, I think I'm going for the Stag, especially after reading the review in the Guns&Ammo Book of the AR15. My plan was to get a decent rifle, get to know it and shoot it. Get a feeling for taking it apart and then, perhaps, start to mod it a bit.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 5:25:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 5:26:44 PM EDT
I say Stag- I have been happy with everything I have from Stag.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 6:00:13 PM EDT
I've been really impressed with my Stag. It loves to shoot, and does so quite well. You won't be disappointed.

-E

Link Posted: 10/10/2007 6:02:09 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 6:18:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By lelandeod:
Stag makes a damn good rifle. I just really wish they didn't put a deer head on their lowers. But that's a pretty petty complaint.


I kind of like the deer head. As someone coined on one of the boards "Fear the Deer"
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:38:22 PM EDT
Like someone said, you can build a rifle for about ~$500. The CMMG is still a pretty good deal for someone who doesn't want to fiddle with building a rifle. A lot of people just want to buy a gun and are not interested in (or comfortable with) assembling a firearm. For those people, I'd suggest the CMMG $550 special.

I'm thinking of buying one just for kicks. It's kind of like buying from the CMP... half the excitement is wondering what you'll get. It is luck of the draw.

Link Posted: 10/11/2007 9:02:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Branspop:

Originally Posted By lelandeod:
Stag makes a damn good rifle. I just really wish they didn't put a deer head on their lowers. But that's a pretty petty complaint.


I kind of like the deer head. As someone coined on one of the boards "Fear the Deer"



Fear the Deer. That's awsome!

FEAR THE DEER

Link Posted: 10/11/2007 9:07:05 AM EDT
I bought an ap4 with the non cl barrel and have been happy with it, of course that was the start of brd 1.5 years ago, now i own four and counting. I havn't had the need for chrome lined, but its nice for cleaning
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