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Posted: 7/22/2008 2:50:15 AM EDT
Is a 7.62x39 enough to get the job done on a black bear or should I be looking at a .458 SOCOM/.50 Beowolf/.450 BM?
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 2:56:34 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 3:17:17 AM EDT
Sound advise. I'd hate to shoot one only to piss it off.
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 4:40:01 AM EDT
In most of the literature, the 7.62X39 is put on a par with .30-30 Winchester. Would you intentionally go after black bear with a .30-30? I sure wouldn't!
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 4:41:09 AM EDT
While, personally, I would go with something bigger, I have seen a NY Black Bear (read:small) effectively downed with a 7.62x39. One shot, dead within 20 yards. I'd still recommend something a bit larger in case it decides to run at you, not away, after you shoot it
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 4:53:21 AM EDT
You mean the bear whistles and bear spray don't work?
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:17:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TANGOCHASER:
Is a 7.62x39 enough to get the job done on a black bear or should I be looking at a .458 SOCOM/.50 Beowolf/.450 BM?


Most black bear are about the size of a good-sized whitetail buck, so the 7.62x39 is theoretically at about the bottom edge of power I'd consider adequate.

That said, the whitetail has no claws or incisors to fear, so I'd rather have more punch. In an AR platform, the three cartridges you mention are it as far as I'm concerned.

The Orange County, Florida, sheriff bought 14 Beowulfs (see link here), theoretically because they have theme parks with dangerous animals. I'd really hate to have to take on one of the dangerous five with the pistol bullets (.450 BM is .452; .50 Beowulf is .499) that these shoot. Bad enough to have the rhino after you; why piss him off?

Now, if you must use your AR lower for elephant, one of the econo .50BMG conversions is more like it.


Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:33:49 AM EDT
Depends on shot placement, but I'd probably want something with a bit more "oomph."
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 6:18:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TANGOCHASER:
Is a 7.62x39 enough to get the job done on a black bear or should I be looking at a .458 SOCOM/.50 Beowolf/.450 BM?


yes a 7.62x39 can get the job done

As long as its a good SP or HP bullet and the range is right
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 6:19:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/22/2008 6:20:49 AM EDT by FMJ]

Originally Posted By GHPorter:
In most of the literature, the 7.62X39 is put on a par with .30-30 Winchester. Would you intentionally go after black bear with a .30-30? I sure wouldn't!



I would


1 of my friends has a Black bear

acts like a dog and lives in a dog house not very big bear
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 7:07:07 AM EDT
What is the opinion of 6.8 for black bears? Just curious.
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 8:10:11 AM EDT
Should be fine if it's in a 75 round drum inserted into a vetted rifle you trust. For anything bigger then black bear step up to a bigger round. I always have bears around my place, thankfully the nuicanse ones have so far run off from shouting and whistles but one day my 50 beowulf might have to be used.
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 8:58:44 AM EDT
A whole lot of people hunt black bear with a .30-30 7.62x39 has nearly identical ballistics so yeah it should work. Just use a good bullet at about 150 grains and make sure you put them in the right spot.
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 9:07:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/22/2008 9:09:46 AM EDT by Deadeye_Jack]
If you're toting a 7.62x39 and just happen to encounter a black bear while hunting deer or something, it would probably be sufficient to protect yourself in a pinch. But if you're going out in the woods specifically trying to encounter one, there are far better choices in calibers you should consider. Remember, you're dealing with an animal that is perfectly capable of killing you. Why take unnecessary chances with a caliber that is at best marginal for that kind of animal? Think of it this way, a life jacket can prevent you from drowning, but if you're planning to cross a river wouldn't you rather be in a boat?
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 11:08:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By kaizer27:
What is the opinion of 6.8 for black bears? Just curious.


Here's a good link to show that the 6.8 can down bears:

www.68forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2391&p=17137&hilit=bear#p17137

Link Posted: 7/22/2008 11:30:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By kaizer27:
What is the opinion of 6.8 for black bears? Just curious.


Very good caliber for black bears. And wild pigs. And zombies.
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 11:35:54 AM EDT
Have used 7.62x39 on moose and caribou with good success. I would use it on bear with right bullet and limit my shots to no more than 200yrds. Softpoints work well. They have been used to get browny's up here. But it is shot placement that is the key to all hunting.
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 12:06:47 PM EDT
Try a 7.62x54R that will do it, I have.
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 1:05:08 PM EDT
I wouldnt hunt them with one. Maybe with a 44mag on my hip.

But a 50beo would put some confidence in my step!
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 1:40:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TANGOCHASER:
Is a 7.62x39 enough to get the job done on a black bear or should I be looking at a .458 SOCOM/.50 Beowolf/.450 BM?


No experience, but lots of stories I prefer to err on the side of overkill so I'll take the .458 SOCOM.
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 2:16:02 PM EDT
Bigger is better, but I wouldn't feel under-gunned being armed with an AK and 30rnd mag. If the bear can withstand that kind of firepower then he can eat me. That would be incredible!
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