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Posted: 10/4/2003 11:18:39 AM EDT
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Quoted: Im looking to get another upper for one of my AR'S. Can you guys tell me what you think of either one of these upper's? (7.62x39 or beowulf 50).Other than the price of the ammo. What are the pro's and cons of either one? Thanks for your time.....Bee I have no experence with either one of those conversions. But in my opinion, if you want to shoot 7.62x39, go with an AK...It will be ALOT cheapert than a conversion, you'll be able to get cheaper mags, and it'll be more reliable. So given the two options I would definately go with the Beowulf. |
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Posted: 10/4/2003 3:41:23 PM EDT
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I am dieing to buy a .50 caliber upper but from what ive heard the kick is like that of a slug from a shotgun. The coast guard uses them because of the godly stobage power. The bullets are expensive and they leave a nice sized whole in the target. Ive heard there bad due to the inconvience price and comfort and the effective range of the bullet compared to a rifle round but i am still gonna buy 1 after my next progect.
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Posted: 10/4/2003 3:49:05 PM EDT
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The .50 Beowulf is FUN! You get to punch 1/2 inch holes in stuff, what can be more fun than that? It draws a crowd at the range too... after the 1st shot! Expensive to shoot, reloading is a must.
You can easily hunt with a .50 Beo. It would make an excellent brush gun with open sights (or maybe an aimpoint) for deer. Sadly, I don't own one yet but I have shot one numerous times. The only drawback to the Beo is the recoil... not a big deal if you've shot larger caliber bolt rifles or 12 gauge shotguns. It kicks more than my FAL, less than heavy 12 gauge loads. Scot |
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Posted: 10/4/2003 4:03:51 PM EDT
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.50, deffinately.
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Posted: 10/4/2003 5:12:12 PM EDT
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I have a .50 Beowulf and it rocks. I have sent about 600 rounda down range so far and love it.
Factory ammo is a little high but the round can be reloaded for less than .33 cents per round. I am buying in bulk and it cost me about .25 cents per round. Recoil is not bad, get the muzzle break and it is even less. |
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Posted: 10/4/2003 5:24:39 PM EDT
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The 7.62 definitely.
You told us not to comment on the price of ammo but the availability of ammo for the 7.62 is better. (Always feed it with brass ONLY-no steal-trust me) [url]http://www.vectorarms.com/other/ammo_page.htm[/url] If you load your own then get the .50 cal. I can only speak from experience when I say that the mags are hard to find in 7.62x39. (USA Brand FrankenMags are the best) [url]http://www.gungarage.com/ar15.htm[/url] The advantage is for hunting for large game like White tail deer, its an adequate hunting caliber. * Its up to you but ask yourself the same question I ask people. If you want a higher caliber for your AR-15 then buy an AR-10. You will later anyway. [coffee] |
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Posted: 10/4/2003 5:33:50 PM EDT
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Ballistically, that .50 Beowulf will whoop up on game, humans, etc including inland black bear, deer, ghetto thugs, drug dealers, etc......[:D]
7.62x39 is OK ballistically, but there is much to be said about a couple tons of energy and 300gr projectiles. [:D] I'll stick with my 458 SOCOM from [url=www.teppojutsu.com]TeppoJutsu[/url], but the 50 Beowulf is nice too. There is also the 499LW which is available from whoever is a dealer for L-W. |
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Posted: 10/4/2003 9:38:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Im looking to get another upper for one of my AR'S. Can you guys tell me what you think of either one of these upper's? (7.62x39 or beowulf 50).Other than the price of the ammo. What are the pro's and cons of either one? Thanks for your time.....Bee I have no experence with either one of those conversions. But in my opinion, if you want to shoot 7.62x39, go with an AK...It will be ALOT cheapert than a conversion, you'll be able to get cheaper mags, and it'll be more reliable. So given the two options I would definately go with the Beowulf. I agree completely. If you want 7.62, just get an ak for $325. You'll have a whole new weapon too. .50 sure sounds like a lot of fun, and is what I would want in an alternate caliber upper. |
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Posted: 10/5/2003 4:20:48 AM EDT
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Guys thanks for all of the advice. Maybe I should have worded the question alittle better. I have all of the weapons that you have suggested. (AR10,AK,SKS,AR15).[url]www.bwscpu.com/carbines.htm[/url] I just picked up another ar15 this week and this will be my next project.I just trying to decide wich upper would be better.7.62 or the 50 cal. I am trying to find out if thier ar any known problems with either one.Thanks again..Bee
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Posted: 10/5/2003 8:44:55 AM EDT
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I guess the question is what are you trying to do? 7.62x39 doesn't give a real advantage over .223 unless your state requires the heavier bullet for hunting. But it's not a real powerhouse for hunting. If you want a 7.62 get a 7.62 NATO like an AR-10.
I've heard the .50 described as "the answer to a question that nobody's asking." It's wimpy for a .50 so if you need a large caliber you'd be better off getting one of many large cal bolt guns. |
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Posted: 10/5/2003 8:59:56 AM EDT
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Isn't a 7.62x39 round just as powerful as a 30-30 round anyway?
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Posted: 10/5/2003 7:23:53 PM EDT
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Since you have an AK to shoot 7.62x39, the answer is easy...get a 50 Beowulf, you will enjoy it.
IMHO, the AK is designed for the 7.62x39 while the AR15 in 7.62x39 has never evolved and been refined and therefore can be problematic when it comes to magazines. In February 04, you can add Alexander Arms newest offering, the 6.5 Grendel, when it is available for order. |
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Posted: 10/6/2003 12:35:48 PM EDT
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this 50 Beowulf seems to be a pritty big round, and i would like to get a AR in one of these calabers, but i have one question, do you need a whole lower for the upper also, or are you able to use the .223 lower for this cartrage?
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Posted: 10/6/2003 12:43:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: I am dieing to buy a .50 caliber upper but from what ive heard the kick is like that of a slug from a shotgun. The coast guard uses them because of the godly stobage power. The bullets are expensive and they leave a nice sized whole in the target. Ive heard there bad due to the inconvience price and comfort and the effective range of the bullet compared to a rifle round but i am still gonna buy 1 after my next progect. Holy crap. |
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Posted: 10/6/2003 2:57:06 PM EDT
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Rabbit-Slayer:
All of these uppers work with the standard .223 lower. |
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Posted: 10/6/2003 4:04:14 PM EDT
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so where can i find prices for this .50 cal upper?
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Posted: 10/6/2003 6:43:35 PM EDT
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search for the ferret 50 cant remember site though sorry
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Posted: 10/6/2003 6:48:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: so where can i find prices for this .50 cal upper? Cabela's [url=http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/pod/horizontal-pod.jhtml?]50 Beowulf[/url] Impact Guns [url=http://www.impactguns.com/store/alexander_arms.html#1500]50 Beowulf[/url] |
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Posted: 10/7/2003 12:21:11 AM EDT
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speaking of the ferret, hows about that 50BMG semi-auto upper?? [naughty] the one that feeds the mag from the side.. who made that piece? i want it!
you should add one to your collection.. hell, we all should have one! |
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Posted: 10/7/2003 4:52:43 AM EDT
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The .50 Beowulf upper can be dropped on to any standard AR15 lower. The upper comes complete along with one 7 round magazine.
Alexander Arms does offer the Beowulf with a factory installed muzzle break as option. As far expense to shoot... A box of 50 Speer 325 grain hollow points can be bought for $10.00 or 20 cents a bullet Powder and primer will run you about 5 cents per round. So total reloading cost is 2 bits a round. If you compare that to loading .223 with Sierra 77grain bullets you are only 5 cents a round higher. Of course, you are not going to fire as many Beowulf rounds in a shooting session as you would .223 Remington. Only thing that would make it expensive or inconveinent to shoot would be you dont reload. If you dont reload, do what a friend of mine does, he comes over, spends an afternoon and I load up a 400 rounds for him while he does other fun jobs like depriming, or trimming other cases. Accuracy wise, I have been shooting .5 inch 3 shot groups at 100 yards and took it to 200 yards and was shooting 1.5-2 inch 3 shot groups which given the bullet is pretty good. This testing was done with a 4.5-14x scope, but for its intended civilian purpose, a trijicon reflex site is ideal for deer and boar at 25-200 yards. Recoil wise, it does have a push to it, but then again a 325 grain bullet will do that. A friend of mine (who is recoil sensitive) and his 10 and 12 year old boys shoot it using a PAST recoil pad on their shoulder. |
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Posted: 10/9/2003 5:32:34 PM EDT
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i WANT TO ADD THAT THE .50 UPPER TAKES MODIFIED 30 OR 20 AR MAGS IF YOU HANGE THE FEEDER I BELIVE THIER GOOD 2 GO THE BEAUTY OF THIS IS THAT YOU CAN GET 5 ROUNDS IN A 20 AND 7 IN A THIRTY AND SINCE THIER NOT HIGH CAPS THIER NOT SUBJECT TO BAN LAWS AND THE CAN BE MANUFATURED IN MASS QUANITY
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Posted: 10/9/2003 6:15:08 PM EDT
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Quoted: speaking of the ferret, hows about that 50BMG semi-auto upper?? [naughty] the one that feeds the mag from the side.. who made that piece? i want it! you should add one to your collection.. hell, we all should have one! [url]http://www.ultramag50.com/index.html[/url] I want one too! mucho $$$ Edited to add: Wait you're talking about semi-auto...this is something different, an AR conversion acctually. |
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Posted: 10/10/2003 7:21:01 AM EDT
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I have the 50 Beowulf and love it. It is perhaps the best New England Brush gun I have ever owned. I am hoping that my budget will support building a AR in 7.62x39 purely for the "what f**k is that" factor I would like to use the AR47 reciever
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