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Posted: 1/19/2008 3:49:33 PM EST
the 62GR current issue ammo what is it, it is not a OTM like the the MK12 ammo black hills 77gr MK, and it is said to fragment pretty good so it sounds like it is not a full metal jacket, it is called a penetrator so is it just a steel core, FMJ, how is that sapposed to stop someone if it is going to just go right through, can any one answer this for me? I want to stock up on some more SHTF ammo but the surplus stuff is so expensive I mind as well spend a few buck more per box and get something that will expand better. Any suggestions?
Link Posted: 1/19/2008 4:14:57 PM EST
I see this ammo listed as both M855 and M885 some places. It does do better against barriers than the MK-262.
If you can get quantities of Mk-262 77 GR 5.56 ammo buy it! Or 75 Gr 5.56 TAP. Check this link out.
www.dtic.mil/ndia/2006smallarms/gandy.pdf
Link Posted: 1/19/2008 4:23:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By Xcombatmp:
the 62GR current issue ammo what is it, it is not a OTM like the the MK12 ammo black hills 77gr MK, and it is said to fragment pretty good so it sounds like it is not a full metal jacket, it is called a penetrator so is it just a steel core, FMJ, how is that sapposed to stop someone if it is going to just go right through, can any one answer this for me? I want to stock up on some more SHTF ammo but the surplus stuff is so expensive I mind as well spend a few buck more per box and get something that will expand better. Any suggestions?


It is a FMJ bullet with a steel penetrator in the tip of the bullet. From the outside it looks like any other FMJ bullet.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 5:36:17 PM EST
Several vendors are selling "M885" as "M855 with a typo on the box". So I would expect it to be M855...with a typo on the box. Lee
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 6:32:37 PM EST
M855 is a tad longer than M193, but that hides in the case.
take a look at this cross section, courtesy of my bench grinder, file and sand paper:
steel penetrator in the tip
lead bringing up the rear
all inside a copper fmj
tips painted green


Link Posted: 1/20/2008 7:19:04 PM EST
The M885 is what happens when you rebox XM855PD and sell it for three times what you bought it for.

It is all about the green paint.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 10:49:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/20/2008 11:05:21 PM EST by ma96782]
There are some variations to the theme (mfn variations and county to country variations).........

www.razoreye.net/mirror/ammo-oracle/AR15_com_Ammo_Oracle_Mirror.htm#ss109

Aloha, Mark

PS..........since you said.......

I want to stock up on some more SHTF ammo but the surplus stuff is so expensive I mind as well spend a few buck more per box and get something that will expand better. Any suggestions?



Q. Is military ammo the best choice for defensive use?

M193 is probably the best choice for an all-around ammo selection, given its low price, wide availability, and the ability to be stabilized from any 5.56 rifle. For military-type operations, M193 should comprise the bulk of your 5.56mm ammo. However, other types of ammo may be better for a specific application, such as home defense or police work, or when using a 5.56mm gun with a very short barrel or when velocity is likely to be low.

For police-type work where a soft-point is desired, Winchester's 64 grain PowerPoint (in the Super-X line) and PowerPoint Plus (Supreme line) are top performers.* It has the advantage of being less sensitive to velocity by relying on bullet expansion rather than fragmentation, and is more consistent over a longer range of velocities. It would also be a better choice for use in AR-type pistols and short-barreled rifles, where the short barrels impart much lower velocities on the bullets. The downsides of this round are: questionable stability in 1:12-twist rifles, a smaller wound channel compared to a fragmenting bullet, and a cost of 3-4 times as much as M193.

*Note: Winchester offers a crimped version of this load in their LEO-only Ranger line. Stock number RA223T2. This load was selected as the standard duty load by the California Highway Patrol (CHP).


and another.........


Opinion: This question really comes down to how much ammo you want to purchase (cost) and how much faith you have in fragmentation (or which side of the fragmentation/controlled expansion argument you come down on). There are strong arguments on either side. The determining factor for you may be small. If you expect engagements inside your home, or under 50 meters, M193 and M855 will perform wonderfully for you. As ranges go out past 150 meters you may prefer heavier hollowpoint or softpoint rounds.

The authors tend to prefer M193 over specialty rounds (with the exception of 77 grain Nosler NATO loadings for special home defense applications) and M855 because we believe it produces larger wound cavities and is more effective at likely defensive ranges (inside 150 meters), as well as easier and cheaper to buy in bulk-- making it cheaper to train with the ammo you use defensively. This is key, because no ammo is going to be effective if you cannot place shots on target.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:31:28 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 11:27:05 AM EST
Hey, 'funked out' - great picture, thanks for posting.
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