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Posted: 12/11/2013 11:33:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/15/2013 6:42:11 AM EST by Milsurpguy2001]
Long time lurker here in the forums. I have a few questions for the pro's if you don't mind. Found this on sale in my local area for little under $1,000 ( had to have it ). I think its a 1973 -74 Colt upper 1 - 12 twist ?. Here are the two questions.

Does the upper look correct ?
Should I shoot it ? it's so purrrdy I feel like keeping it as a safe queen.

S marked safety - C MP B barrel - C marked BCG - MPC marked Bolt - C H Marked Upper - Pics of more below.


Thanks all in advanced.

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Link Posted: 12/11/2013 11:37:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/11/2013 11:42:30 AM EST by Cdenmark]
Looks real nice. Quality build. Selector isn't correct. Not sure on s mark but it has the notch on right side. Probably a commercial LPK. No big deal. Has been greyed. Price was good. Doubt if it has real collector value compared to original Colt SP-1. I'd shoot it and have a blast. M16A1 builds with NDS usually run $800-1100 depending on lower engraving, parts sourcing and such. They sure aren't getting any less as time expires. Take a fairly decent amount of time today just to get the lower receiver in hand.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 11:55:13 AM EST
Nice!

I'd shoot it, things in life should be enjoyed.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:10:14 PM EST
really nice rifle man congrats
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:52:18 PM EST
+ 1, Shoot it and enjoy. Nice buy - and welcome to retro-land
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 1:39:22 PM EST
wow thats a nice rifle the only thing i would change is the selector to a no tick kind.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 1:45:02 PM EST
Thanks all. Good info about the safety. I see a range report in this rifles future with normal 55 grain xm193 and 3 rounds of 62 grain green tip at 100 yards. See if she stabilize it.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 3:05:59 PM EST
Is that the correct flash hider?
I thought it was supposed to be the open 3 prong, at least mine did when I was in the service.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 3:31:13 PM EST
VERY nice. Nothing like the basic A1. It's still my favorite.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 9:13:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By HKILLER:
wow thats a nice rifle the only thing i would change is the selector to a no tick kind.
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HKiller pretty much covered it. Even with the Kalifornicate bullet button, she's Purdy
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 4:11:35 AM EST
Very nice find.

She's a good looking rifle. Take care of her and enjoy your time at the range.

Link Posted: 12/12/2013 7:39:13 PM EST
I would shoot it. It is a very nice gun, like my M1 Garand rebuild from the CMP. But no matter how nice it is, the Nodak lower makes it a kit gun or reproduction, with very nice Colt parts. It will never be worth more than say a SP1. But guns are meant to be shot. A rise in value is a plus.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 9:04:43 AM EST
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Originally Posted By spunky9999:
Is that the correct flash hider?
I thought it was supposed to be the open 3 prong, at least mine did when I was in the service.
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Originally Posted By spunky9999:
Is that the correct flash hider?
I thought it was supposed to be the open 3 prong, at least mine did when I was in the service.



Not sure. I thought the 3 prong flash suppressor was only on early slick side uppers with partial fencing on the lowers ?

Originally Posted By Pro2ndAm:
Originally Posted By HKILLER:
wow thats a nice rifle the only thing i would change is the selector to a no tick kind.


HKiller pretty much covered it. Even with the Kalifornicate bullet button, she's Purdy


You noticed the bulletin button Plus it has the crimped 20 round mag body. Double .

Originally Posted By austinmc62:
I would shoot it. It is a very nice gun, like my M1 Garand rebuild from the CMP. But no matter how nice it is, the Nodak lower makes it a kit gun or reproduction, with very nice Colt parts. It will never be worth more than say a SP1. But guns are meant to be shot. A rise in value is a plus.


True. I love my CMP Garand but its no collector. I think I will be taking it out for a 100 yard range session soon with a report back on my findings.

Can anyone verify the barrel should be a 1-12 twist ? Everything I have read points me towards that direction.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 12:34:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/13/2013 12:47:59 PM EST by GI-45]
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Originally Posted By spunky9999:
Is that the correct flash hider?
I thought it was supposed to be the open 3 prong, at least mine did when I was in the service.
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The birdcage is correct, beginning as early as 1967-68. 3-prongs were on the early M16s and the XM16E1s; no doubt some survived into the post-Vietnam era.

Link Posted: 12/13/2013 12:55:30 PM EST
Nice looking rifle. Shoot it!
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 3:42:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Milsurpguy2001:



Not sure. I thought the 3 prong flash suppressor was only on early slick side uppers with partial fencing on the lowers ?


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Originally Posted By Milsurpguy2001:
Originally Posted By spunky9999:
Is that the correct flash hider?
I thought it was supposed to be the open 3 prong, at least mine did when I was in the service.



Not sure. I thought the 3 prong flash suppressor was only on early slick side uppers with partial fencing on the lowers ?




For the most part yes, you are correct. There are cases of XM16E1s with full-fence lowers however. Also, the USMC replaced the birdcage flash hiders with the earlier, improved 3-prong for much of the war at least. So you have M16A1s with a 3-prong. When I got my original XM16E1 upper, it had a beatup A2 FH on it with the wrong (like WRONG) split washer on it, so I have no idea. There were a lot of transitional guns between the XM16E1 and M16A1 wearing whatever Colt had on the shelf that day, so who knows? As far as the Air Force goes, they are known to build frankenguns out of whatever is available.

On a late M16A1 clone such as you have built, I would use what you did - the standard A1 birdcage.
Link Posted: 12/15/2013 6:41:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/15/2013 9:27:52 AM EST by Milsurpguy2001]
Nice info Morg308.


I meet the seller again for the mags and cleaning kit he was holding. Set me back another $150. This is what I found when I examined the contents. Winning ! I thought the followers where always plastic.

Four Colt 20 round mags
Colt unopened Sling
Cleaning rod
Grey mag release button
Chamber and bore brush


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