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Posted: 9/5/2010 2:55:15 PM EDT
Anybody have one yet? Is anybody making uppers besides Remington? Any thoughts on the caliber? I've been wanting an AR in something other than 5.56 for hunting purposes (caribou, black bear) and was looking at the 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel but was not really impressed with the numbers.
Link Posted: 9/5/2010 3:25:28 PM EDT
If you are not impressed with the 6.5 and 6.8 I don't think you will be too impressed with the .30 AR. From what I have read it is not all that hot to begin with and considering Remington's past history of overstating their new round's performance, if the .30 AR gives within 200 fps of claimed one will be lucky.
If you are looking for a round that will take anything in North America within 150 yards then the .458 SOCOM is just the ticket. A 300 gr. TTSX bullet at between 1700 and 1800 fps and the game is within 150 yards it is meat on the table if the shooter does his part.
Link Posted: 9/5/2010 4:30:59 PM EDT
Who makes that ammo?
Link Posted: 9/5/2010 4:46:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2010 4:48:16 PM EDT by Big-Bore]
Currently SBR and Reeds Ammo makes it. Starline makes the brass. It is a great round but is primarily a handloaders round. Factory stuff is ungodly expensive and the selection is not all that big. But to handload, the sky's the limit. It is a true .458 diameter so there are bullets from about 80 gr. to 600 gr. that will work in it and all fit and feed out of a standard AR-15 lower and magazine with standard CAR or rifle buffers and springs. One just pops on the upper and is good to go. I am currently building my 4th .458 SOCOM so as you can see, I am a bit prejudice toward the round. The big reason I went with it so many years ago was because the .50 B was .500 diameter, not .510, and headspaces on the mouth whereas the .458 SOCOM headspaces on the shoulder so one can crimp as heavily as one wants without affecting headspacing. While the .450 Bushmaster was just a dream at the time I got my first .458S, the same thing applies to it as does the .50 B, headspaces on the mouth and is a pistol caliber diameter, .452 instead of .458. That limits the amount of bullets that are available to mostly handgun types, and while there are more thick jacketed handgun bullets now than there was when I got into it, thanks to the .460 and .500 S&W, the selection is still not near as large as with full size .458 diameter rifle bullets.
Think of the .458 SOCOM as a semi-auto version of the .45-70, which, as we all know, is God's chosen sledgehammer.
Link Posted: 9/5/2010 5:32:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2010 5:32:25 PM EDT by bedlamite]
Remington has taken down all velocity figures from their website, but Midway lists 2 loads, One is Remington's original claimed velocity of 2800fps, the other is a less than stellar 2278 fps with a 125gr
Link Posted: 9/5/2010 5:50:46 PM EDT
What I don't get is why this round is losing ground? DPMS had uppers and rifles available for this round but now nothing, can a round really fail that fast or is DPMS just so backed up that they didn't want to add another iron in the fire
Link Posted: 9/5/2010 11:13:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2010 11:16:07 PM EDT by DBrown]
Remington has been killing its own young prematurely.

But, I thought this one should have been aborted. I did not expect it to ACTUALLY outperform 7.62*39.

If it were necked down to 6.8 it would have potential... That would be a round worthy of Remington's support and development.

DB
Link Posted: 9/5/2010 11:51:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2010 11:52:44 PM EDT by charliez]
If you're looking at the AR-10 / DPMS weight class already, you might consider the 260 Remington round. DPMS has barrels,
factory ammo and handloads are available. Actually the 308 is workable as well. The 260 simply provides flatter trajectory than 308.

For hunting in the bush, I chose the RRA 458. I was really surprised at how lightweight the platform was, and how much
punch it carries to target.

I handload, so ammo prices aren't an issue.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 1:10:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DBrown:
Remington has been killing its own young prematurely.

But, I thought this one should have been aborted. I did not expect it to ACTUALLY outperform 7.62*39.

If it were necked down to 6.8 it would have potential... That would be a round worthy of Remington's support and development.

DB

I have a feeling the 30 Remington will die a slow unlamented death.

Remington is already way behind in the AR niche market. As the 6.8SPC gains market share, the 30 Remington will barely be a blip in the radar. It looks like a decent round, but it's too little too late.

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:11:22 AM EDT
I'm going to be getting a 300 OSSM Gamestalker from Olympic arms for the same reason –– I want a deer round in an AR-15 platform. I have an R-25, but want something smaller for when I'm in a portable treestand.

I was hoping the .30 RAR would catch on, but it looks like that's not going to be happening. Now I hope the 300 OSSM delivers. I would love to see some kind of .30 in an R-15 sized platform catch on. Let me rephrase that, I'd like to see a .30 with ballistics similar to a .308 catch on. Sorry, no 7.62x39.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:23:43 AM EDT
The 300 OSSM will perform much better than 308, but will limit you to lighter (shorter) bullets.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 5:37:22 AM EDT
Midway has some of the DPMS 30 RAR uppers in stock, ammo too. It's an interesting idea, but who knows if it will have any longevity...
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 2:19:46 AM EDT
The only reason I'd consider Remington's .30 would straighter, more reliable mags vs the 7.62x39. I only shoot (and reload) US brass cases through my Colt 7.62x39 so ammo costs would be a non-factor.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 7:54:27 AM EDT
Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat did some testing with handloads and got 150gr bullets going 2275fps from an 11" barrel, 2500fps from a 16" barrel, and 2600fps from a 20" barrel so the round has potential.

Here is his thread about it: .30 RAR
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 8:30:48 AM EDT
DPMS just put some 30RAR uppers on sale for $650 with BCGs. They are owned by the same goons who own Remmy.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 8:34:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ZekeMenuar:
I have a feeling the 30 Remington will die a slow unlamented death.
Remington is already way behind in the AR niche market. As the 6.8SPC gains market share, the 30 Remington will barely be a blip in the radar. It looks like a decent round, but it's too little too late.

I agree. I have no interest in them personally. Seems like .223 and .308 are the ideal calibers for me. If I wanted an odd caliber, I would look to 6.x prolly.

Key word above - unlamented.
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