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Posted: 9/1/2005 9:59:27 AM EDT

Any one try the stuff Ammoman has for sale?

Posted: 9/1/2005 12:12:33 PM EDT

[#1]

Personally, I'd avoid the stuff....especially for use in a carbine.

Posted: 9/1/2005 12:14:39 PM EDT

[#2]

I have to laugh at his LC ammo advertising -- one sentence says "BRAND NEW AMMO" and the next sentence says "SINCE THIS AMMO IS PACKED LOOSE THE DATES MAY VARY - ALL DATES IN THE 2000's"

So if it was made in 2001 that means it's brand new?? WTF??

The Army isn't buying AA40; however, the Navy/Marines bought in 2004 (with deliveries thru 2005).

Posted: 9/1/2005 12:16:13 PM EDT

[#3]

I believe he means it is not remanufactured.

Posted: 9/1/2005 12:19:17 PM EDT

[#4]

Then he should say that. It's government rejects, anyway.

Posted: 9/1/2005 3:27:41 PM EDT

[#5]

I have bought over 5,000 rounds from the (Eric) Ammoman, He is a decent person to me. I don't see any false advertising on his website. If there is please feel free to point it out to me.

Not everyone will agree with this but he is fair to me. His prices are in the competitive line. He gets me the ammo when I need it . I just received 1000 rounds Monday, it's all good.

I wish he was a little cheaper on his price but it's my choice to buy from him or not. The ammo I bought Monday is the XM193 (boxed) and it's all good stuff.

Posted: 9/1/2005 3:32:10 PM EDT

[#6]

The frangible is made by Federal and it is new in the cardboard boxes, mine was marked FC 02. It is not the blem/reject box o' bullets stuff. If someone knows different that it is rejected ammo and can prove it, do so. It comes in boxes and labelled cans, something (in my experience) that is not done with rejects.

It works fine in the way it was intended - as training ammunition for use on steel. Not for self-defence or blowing away little furry balls of cuteness. Functions in my 14.5" M4 just fine, at least the 380 rounds I fired in training at Gunsite. Accurate at 100+ meters on popper targets.

Posted: 9/1/2005 4:21:28 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
The frangible is made by Federal and it is new in the cardboard boxes, mine was marked FC 02. It is not the blem/reject box o' bullets stuff. If someone knows different that it is rejected ammo and can prove it, do so. It comes in boxes and labelled cans, something (in my experience) that is not done with rejects.

It works fine in the way it was intended - as training ammunition for use on steel. Not for self-defence or blowing away little furry balls of cuteness. Functions in my 14.5" M4 just fine, at least the 380 rounds I fired in training at Gunsite. Accurate at 100+ meters on popper targets.

Did the Frangibles come from Ammoman? How would it work out in the 16" barrel? Don't want to sound stupid about this type of ammo, but why would someone need the Frangible type ammo?

Posted: 9/1/2005 4:27:59 PM EDT

[#8]

I bought some from him, and I like it. Thought about using it for stray cats around the farm, but after shooting it at scrap half inch pine, and thin gauge metal decided it's not really that frangible. Shoots same as ball ammo up to 100 yards or so, and cycles fine, although if you pull a live round out of the chamber, the tip is screwed up (soft sintered copper powder with some type of bonding agent). Now I keep a clip full in my gun for coyotes around the yard at night, not so much worry about a ball projectile skipping into an irrigation pipe a quarter mile away.

I did shoot it through 1-9 twist carbine barrel, and round was stable enough not to give baffle strikes.

Posted: 9/1/2005 4:42:43 PM EDT

[#9]

If it is USGI frangible than it is spec'd to function fine in 14.5 barrels so it should work fine with a 16" weapon. The issue that the military has with Frangible is it has never really meet the total spec's called for, specifically it never seems to have the limited penetration called for or isn't water resistant as it is suppose to be.

The need for frangible is for shoot houses and steel targets when shooting close in is part of the course of fire, 5.56 ball has a tendency to fragment and can causes wounds to the shooters if too close to steel targets or backstops (I have a had to have a piece of 855 removed from left shoulder because of this).

Posted: 9/2/2005 10:21:31 AM EDT

[#10]

Thanks for the responces, I just want some for shooting steal at 15 to 25 yards.

Posted: 9/2/2005 10:28:23 AM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
Thanks for the responces, I just want some for shooting steal at 15 to 25 yards.

Absolutely EXCELLENT for that application. I have some of this ammo and you can easily ring the gongs safely at those ranges.

GO FOR IT! you won't be disappointed!

Posted: 9/2/2005 10:29:00 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
Then he should say that. It's government rejects, anyway.

I'd gladly read any real documentation substantiating this internut myth!

Posted: 9/2/2005 10:29:43 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
Personally, I'd avoid the stuff....especially for use in a carbine.

Care to expound?

Posted: 9/2/2005 10:38:02 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Then he should say that. It's government rejects, anyway.

I'd gladly read any real documentation substantiating this internut myth!

I'm with markm, Got proof?

Posted: 9/2/2005 12:10:25 PM EDT

[#15]

I got mine from Ammoman. I did not mention it but I have shot it in 16" carbines too. Works fine through a suppressor although there was some of that fine brown dust in it. That dust was blown out with some M193.

Posted: 9/4/2005 2:53:36 PM EDT

[#16]

Again with specifically with weapons having M4 ramps....I'd be particularly careful with any misfed rounds & recommend cleaning @ 300-400 rds...Also...let us know if you get any KBs.

Hotgun

Posted: 9/5/2005 7:16:13 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Again with specifically with weapons having M4 ramps....I'd be particularly careful with any misfed rounds & recommend cleaning @ 300-400 rds...Also...let us know if you get any KBs.

Hotgun

What in the hell are you talking about? Any misfed rounds from any type of ammo should be inspected before trying to refeed it into a mag.

What do M4 feed ramps have to do with anything? I understand that the tip of the bullet is frangible, but the ammo is designed to feed thru M16s.

Why would one need to clean after 300-400 rounds? (Not that I can think of any reason to fire 3-4 hundred rounds of frangible in a row because it's too expensive to plink with.)

And why do you imply that there's some concern for KBs? The ammo is loaded fairly hot, but not as hot as XM193.

Posted: 9/5/2005 8:22:03 AM EDT

[#18]

Ignore the troll, Markm.
We have sold millions including numerous LE depts, and contacts that we have no idea where it goes.
Not a single complaint.I am trying to get my hands on any and all 223 and 5.56 and especially the frangible and xm193.
I read that comment about the KB implication and figured he either has an ulterior motive or we might just be hurting his sales?

Eric the ammoman

Posted: 9/5/2005 4:07:47 PM EDT

[#19]

FWIW, The AF has a pile of the Federal Frangible "stuff" & have had several KBs...so I don't have too high opinion of it.

Posted: 9/5/2005 4:27:19 PM EDT

[#20]

Maybe the shooters at AF could warn the SEAL teams:

Federal Cartridge Company, Anoka, Minn., is being awarded a $29,999,900 fixed-price, indefinite-delivery and indefinite-quantity contract for a maximum 143,000 (ea.) cans of 5.56mm frangible ammunition for the U.S. Government. Work will be performed in Anoka, Minn., and is to be completed by September 2007. Contract funds in the amount of $481,938, will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract was competitively procured and advertised on the Internet, with eight offers received. The Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane Division, Crane, Ind., is the contracting activity (N00164-03-D-0011).

Posted: 9/5/2005 4:33:27 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
FWIW, The AF has a pile of the Federal Frangible "stuff" & have had several KBs...so I don't have too high opinion of it.

You know the funny part is a local AF base will only allow my unit to use Frangible on their zero range, their CATM does really understand it other than "it suppose to break apart" and not ricochet as far, he didn't even want to look at the USMC report on it, showing it acted more like ball than, unless it hit something like Pepper Popper, the spec called for.

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