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Posted: 8/20/2004 9:21:58 AM EDT
I have just purchased an AR-15 flat top along with a Nikon 6.5x20x44 1” scope. I need scope rings that will mount the scope high enough but I only seem to be able to find these in the 30mm sizes.

I really like the Badger Ordnance Ultra High rings (www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/823523) but at $149.00 + $35.00 for the 30mm to 1” adapters (www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/840835), the price is a little out of my reach.

The A.R.M.S. #22 High Height Throw Lever rings are also very nice ($109.00) (www.mountsplus.com/miva/merchant.mvc?page=MSP/PROD/a-rings/22HIGH)
but again 30mm to 1” adapters are needed. By the way, has anyone has problems or have strong objections to using 30mm rings with 30mm to 1” adapter inserts?

I found a tactical set of scope rings at http://www.mountsplus.com (www.mountsplus.com/miva/merchant.mvc?page=MSP/PROD/rings/ROP-001-020)
that are 1” are may be high enough (1.2” from the top of the upper receiver to the center of the scope ring) but I’ve read on the AR-15.com forum threads that the AR-15 really needs to be around 1.4” but could be anywhere from 1.25” to 1.6”. (www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=198194)

The use of Bushmaster’s B.M.A.S Quick Detach Rail ($37.95) (www.bushmaster.com/shopping/bmas/yhm-9592.asp)
has been suggested to me and will extend the hight of my existing rings by ½”. Any thoughts on this possible solution?

Great frustration is beginning to set in as the gun shop I’ve made my purchases at is quick to tell me that I’ll get used to it and that that’s just the nature of that particular gun. I disagree and I’m sure with the wealth of knowledge on this site there are solutions out there.

Please Help!

Link Posted: 8/20/2004 9:34:48 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 10:18:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2004 10:20:04 AM EDT by AGauger]

A 6.5-20x44 Simmons fit fine on my flat top with the one piece Armalite style mount.

You mean something similar to these...

Armalite 1-Piece Scope Mount
More detailed photos from above.
What does the height of the scope rings work out to be (from the top of the upper receiver to the center of the rings)?

Thanks for the quick reply.
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 11:43:21 AM EDT
Leupold 1" Mark 4 Rings Super High Matte


These are what I settled on, still expensive ($114.95), but well worth it.


Link Posted: 8/20/2004 12:41:37 PM EDT
Does anyone have a preference between the two following methods of scope mounting on the AR-15?

Armalite 1-Piece Scope Mount ($90.00)

Leupold 1" Mark 4 Rings Super High Matte ($114.95)

Prices listed are not a factor. I’m just trying to do it right the first time.
A quick note: this rifle will ONLY be used for target shooting. If one method is better suited for this, please advise.

Thanks for everybody's input so far!
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 1:32:46 PM EDT
The one thing to keep in mind about the Mk 4 rings is whether you can get a proper cheek with them and your Nikon 6.5x20x44 1” scope.
I used many different mounts (some borrowed) determining where I wanted to mount my scope, and I was fortunate to be able to use the Mk 4 rings by about 3/8s of an inch. If it had been necessary to move the scope any further forward to get proper cheek and eye relief, I would have gone with something like the LaRue or Armalite mount, or perhaps even a rail with lower Leupold rings.
This forum has invaluable info and pics.

Link Posted: 8/20/2004 9:22:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2004 9:22:55 PM EDT by Ndenway]
got a set of millet windage adjustable extra high 1" steel mounts on my ar10 for $35 at outdooramericanstore.com, I've fired 700rds through the 10 and they havn't chaged zero, so theres no durability questions.
Link Posted: 8/21/2004 4:44:25 AM EDT
I built this upper and mounted the scope using standard height rings on top of the GG&G FIRE Scout rail and IMO, the scope was still a little low. I couldn't get a proper cheek weld and see squarely though the scope. I'll be changing my rings for a set of Leupold Mk4 high rings.

For a ring set by themselves, I would recommend something like Leupold Mk4 high or the extra high rings pictured below (scope ring data pictures taken from the Mounting Solutions Plus website):

Standard height:

Extra high:

The upper I built:
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 11:29:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 1:07:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/23/2004 1:07:32 PM EDT by ICU]

For sale in the EE.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 3:24:03 PM EDT
LaRue Tactical SPR scope mount....... LaRue
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 3:40:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/23/2004 3:42:13 PM EDT by virginia22]
I have one set
Email and i'll shoot you a pic, not sure if it would fit your uses.

J & T 1"mount
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 6:04:15 PM EDT
I put Leupold QRW medium rings on my Bushy Varminter (using the riser blocks that came with the gun) with a Nikon UCC Monarch 6.5-20x44 scope. Works great for me.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 7:12:09 PM EDT
I use an armalite mount with my leupold 3.5-10x50mm scope and it's perfect for me but a friend of mine likes the arms #5 base with warne medium rings. Try as many setups as you can everyone has their own preferences, the armalite mount is perfect for me but too low for my friend and his setup is too high for me.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 7:35:17 AM EDT
Ordered the Leupold 1" Mark 4 super high rings in matte finsih.

We'll know by Friday 8/27 how everything works out.
Thanks for all your posts! -Aaron
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 2:26:37 PM EDT
I would recommend lapping these rings. I have owned several pair & they all needed to be lapped. Just my opinion. -Justin
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 6:36:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ICU:
I would recommend lapping these rings. I have owned several pair & they all needed to be lapped. Just my opinion. -Justin

If you get the LaRue Tactical scope mount there is no need for lapping.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 6:59:06 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 8:59:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 9:16:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/29/2004 9:23:18 AM EDT by warriorsociologist]
Right now I'm selling my ARMS 19 mount + matte Leupold 1" PRW rings. These offered a GREAT rock-solid QD mount for my 1" scope...and at the "right height" to allow me about the same amount of room as is shown above for my KAC 600m BUIS (also for sale on the EE). I just took the 30mm plunge (Leupold Mark 4 MR/T 3-9x36) so now I'm lookig for a new 30mm base/rings set-up (probably LaRue).

I have the #19 base for sale on the EE for $120 shipped, but I'll throw in the rings for you for $140 total shipped. Drop me an email & it's yours.

Take care.

BTW, here's my link to the #19 & KAC 600m BUIS: (click here)

and here's a pic of what the PRW rings look like (courtesy of SWFA): (click here)

Link Posted: 8/29/2004 10:17:33 AM EDT
*superfan voice*

Laaaaa rue larue larue larue larue larue larue
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 8:57:17 AM EDT

I would recommend lapping these rings. I have owned several pair & they all needed to be lapped. Just my opinion. -Justin

Sorry, I'm not familar with the term "Lapping". Can you explain it to me.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 1:42:02 PM EDT
When the rings are manufactured/finished they may be somewhat uneven. This can potentially bind the internals of your scope making elev. & windage inconsistant. Lapping consists of putting compound on a machined bar & moving it a figure 8. This smooth out any high spots align your scope in the rings. Sinclair int. sells a kit for $20. You can do multiples sets of rings w/ it. Hope this helps. -Justin
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