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Posted: 3/29/2009 1:51:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2009 10:26:21 AM EDT by shrikefan]
Was there any significance behind the number 15?

WD-40 used the 40th formulation they tried.

Glock Model 17 was gaston Glock's 17th patent.

ETC.

Why the 15? We all know where the AR came from but I have never heard anything on the 15. Other than a quick search here I never really looked that hard either. Thanks for any good input.

Link Posted: 3/29/2009 2:07:52 AM EDT
It was Armalite's model designation.

MBR
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 4:55:47 AM EDT
It came after 14.
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 5:19:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2009 5:23:26 AM EDT by USMC-Helo]
and it came before 16.

I think shrikefan was asking for a little more detail? I don't know myself, what came between the AR-10 and AR-15? The military adopting the M-14, that beat out the AR-10, did that have anything to do with it, i.e. they named the Rifle AR-15 as if to say, Military this is your next rifle after the M-14, or was it purely a natural progression of models within Armalite itself?
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 5:38:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2009 5:47:23 AM EDT by monkeyman]
I was kidding about 14 thing but it did come between the AR10 and the AR18 so there is some credence to the progressive model number theory. I do believe it was the 15th weapon designed by them hence the designation.

If I recall correctly the AR15 was Armalite's designation for the full auto rifle that was latter designated the M-16. And is the reason why "AR15" is still the trademarked name for Colt's semi-auto version.
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 5:47:07 AM EDT
The AR18 was before all of these.
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 5:54:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Gardner:
The AR18 was before all of these.


I disagree. the AR 10 was designed in 1955 to compete in army trials against the M14. The AR 15 was designed a couple years later (late '50s) and the AR18 was designed in 1963 as an improvement (gas piston system) over the AR15 design.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-18
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 6:03:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By shrikefan:
Was there any significance behind the number 15?

WD-40 used the 40th formulation they tried.

Glock Model 17 was gaston Glock's 17th patent.

ETC.

Why the 15? We all know where the AR came from but I have never heard anything on the 15. Other than a quick search here I never really looked that hard either. Thanks for any good input.



15 ? You usually can fire 15 rounds before a FTF or FTE. LOL.
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 9:14:51 AM EDT
And the Armalite AR-7 was before the AR-10.
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 9:37:45 AM EDT
Well, I believe the AR24 (pistol?) came after the AR180 rifle..

Thanks for the funny and interesting responses. Keep 'em coming.

I may cross post this in the AR10 forum.
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 9:50:39 AM EDT
Nothing more than a development designation that was licensed from ArmaLite to Colt in 1959.

Some AR History...

"ArmaLite licensed the AR-10 to the Dutch Arsenal, Artillerie Inrichtingen, for sale on the international market. ArmaLite and its agents and assignees demonstrated the rifle around the world, but sales were limited. Even the Dutch failed to adopt the rifle built in their own arsenal. Despite the background Army interest in a smaller caliber rifle, ArmaLite licensed the designs and trademarks to the AR-10 and AR-15 to Colt’s in January 1959.

Early Colt AR-15s, their magazines, and their operators manuals were marked with ArmaLite’s name. Colt’s retained the AR-15 designation on commercial rifles. To this day Colt’s has a model designation with the letters AR, which stands for “ArmaLite”."

So I guess if you have a Colt, it's an ArmaLite knock-off.

Link Posted: 3/29/2009 10:03:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2009 10:06:21 AM EDT by USMC-Helo]
Well, and you probably know this, Armalite closed its doors and its parent company Fairchild Aircraft? sold the name to a smaller machine & tool company, so the Armalite you buy today is NOT the same company that designed AR's or employed Eugene Stoner. I just checked, and your link says as much in the lengthy history.
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 10:08:52 AM EDT
Cool thread. I did not know where AR came from. I love stuff like this. Little trivia pursuit type of things and has to do with guns which is even cooler!
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 10:25:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By shrikefan:
Well, I believe the AR24 (pistol?) came after the AR180 rifle..

Thanks for the funny and interesting responses. Keep 'em coming.

I may cross post this in the AR10 forum.


Yes, the AR24 is a pistol. And the AR180 is an adaptation of the AR18, which is why it's not a sequential model number.
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 10:25:37 AM EDT
More info here thanks to Halfcocked.

Keep the interesting trivia coming.
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 10:34:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2009 10:35:14 AM EDT by _DR]
Fairchild owned ArmaLite and the current ArmaLite are not the same company.
To group together nomenclature of both companies is illogical.
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 10:49:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By _DR:
Fairchild owned ArmaLite and the current ArmaLite are not the same company.
To group together nomenclature of both companies is illogical.


True, but, the name ArmaLite has lived on for over 50 years as did the weapons.
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 10:56:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By _DR:
Fairchild owned ArmaLite and the current ArmaLite are not the same company.
To group together nomenclature of both companies is illogical.


And to call a Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep a Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep when they were owned by Daimler Benz would be illogical too. I'm just sayin'

Link Posted: 3/29/2009 11:16:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By monkeyman:
Originally Posted By Gardner:
The AR18 was before all of these.


I disagree. the AR 10 was designed in 1955 to compete in army trials against the M14. The AR 15 was designed a couple years later (late '50s) and the AR18 was designed in 1963 as an improvement (gas piston system) over the AR15 design.



The 18 was not an improvement. Stoner had already sold DI and needed another operating system.
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 11:21:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Originally Posted By monkeyman:
Originally Posted By Gardner:
The AR18 was before all of these.

I disagree. the AR 10 was designed in 1955 to compete in army trials against the M14. The AR 15 was designed a couple years later (late '50s) and the AR18 was designed in 1963 as an improvement (gas piston system) over the AR15 design.

The 18 was not an improvement. Stoner had already sold DI and needed another operating system.


Improvement? A matter of opinion. It was a changed design.

The AR-18 was designed to be produced on much simpler machinery than the AR-15.

FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.

Regards, Ed Mann

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