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Posted: 12/13/2003 2:49:27 PM EDT
I am thinking about making a 10mm AR, but don't know if there are any other good 10mm rifles I could buy instead.  Are there any aside from the MP5/10?
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 3:30:39 PM EDT
you can go to www.olyarms.com and buy a 10 mm upper :).       so yea you can get a AR 10 mm  if you really want  
http://www.olyarms.com/pstlcal.html
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 4:21:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2003 4:23:24 PM EDT by armedteddybear]
get a 10mm glock and put a CCU (Carbine Conversion Unit) on it.  figure about $500 for the pistol, $300 for the CCU, and you have not just one but TWO great weapons in a really hot caliber.  $800 bucks is probably equal or less to what the AR would cost anyways.
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 4:31:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2003 4:34:54 PM EDT by David_Hineline]
I was just going to suggest the same thing as an option for a 1911 frame.

[url]http://www.mechtechsys.com/1911.html[/url]
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 4:36:36 PM EDT
Thats a cool idea, I've known about the conversions but didn't think of them.  I'll probably end up doing that.  But, just for my own info, is there a civilian legal/available 10mm aside from an AR?  Don't get me wrong, I love my ARs, but I want alittle variety.  Thanks in advance.
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 5:35:12 PM EDT
Instead of an AR-15, what about a semi-auto MP5 carbine in 10mm? I've always loved the MP5/10 for some reason, and would instantly buy one if it were available in civilian form.

After all, the HK USC ain't a big seller...
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 5:42:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Blackjack272:
Instead of an AR-15, what about a semi-auto MP5 carbine in 10mm? I've always loved the MP5/10 for some reason, and would instantly buy one if it were available in civilian form.

After all, the HK USC ain't a big seller...
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I believe you and I are screwed on that topic, my friend, as CT states that MP5s are not allowed.  Trust me, that was my first thought, but I've never seen one.
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 6:54:46 PM EDT
Well, I'm not totally screwed yet. I plan to hightail to NH in a few years. No more completely shitty gun laws, low crime rate, lots of space = heaven with a cool climate.

Would anyone here want a 10mm semi MP5?
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 7:54:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By armedteddybear:
get a 10mm glock and put a CCU (Carbine Conversion Unit) on it.  figure about $500 for the pistol, $300 for the CCU, and you have not just one but TWO great weapons in a really hot caliber.  $800 bucks is probably equal or less to what the AR would cost anyways.
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And you can also spend 10 years in jail and pay a big ole fine for having an unregistered short-barreled rifle.


Wes
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 9:27:26 PM EDT
There are two different carbine thingies for Glocks.  One is a little foldup stock that fits in the opening in the back of the mag well.  That would qualify as a short barreled rifle, though they do make real long barrels to make them legal.  The actual Carbine Conversion Unit is akin to a complete upper with the plastic frame from the Glock acting like the lower.  So it won't qualify as a short barreled rifle.  I could be confused about this though.  Any one else?
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 5:46:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2003 5:47:50 AM EDT by Ruprect]
Partywaggin, regarding the 10 years in jail and the big fine for using a carbine conversion unit without registering it as a short barreled rifle:

http://www.parts.cc/glock/Parts_Acc/Mech_Tech_Carbine.htm

Barrel Length . .  16.25"
Overall Length . . 33.5"

It was a good guess, but misinformation.

Link Posted: 12/14/2003 7:20:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Blackjack272:
Well, I'm not totally screwed yet. I plan to hightail to NH in a few years. No more completely shitty gun laws, low crime rate, lots of space = heaven with a cool climate.

Would anyone here want a 10mm semi MP5?
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I'd love one...maybe I'll move to NH, too!
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 7:38:03 AM EDT
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And you can also spend 10 years in jail and pay a big ole fine for having an unregistered short-barreled rifle.


Wes[/quote]

Wes,

I dont think so.  I was in my local funshop picking up my Dan Wesson 10mm Tuesday and lo and behold, 2 CCU units hanging on the wall.  I believe the  LEO's in the store when I asked to see 1 would have taken exception if they were illegal.

w-w
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 8:36:47 AM EDT
ar15zams, I hear ya bro![:)]

I'm going to post around the idea of this 10mm MP5 and see if there is any interest in it.
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 4:50:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/19/2003 10:45:16 PM EDT
40 S&W taking the thunder from a 10mil is like saying the .38 spc has taken the thunder from the .357 mag!

Just is not the case!   Closer anology would be saying that the .41 mag steals the 10mil thunder!

All else is truly false!

Bob [:D]
Link Posted: 12/19/2003 11:18:44 PM EDT
When they say the 40 S&W has taken the thunder for the 10, they mean to say that most people don't want a full powered round.  Not many like the 10mm in it's TRUE form.  The 40 was developed from a down loaded 10mm load.

Same w/ the 38 Special and 357 Mag.  Some don't like the Mag's recoil, but don't mind a 38 Special +P or +P+.

I have a 10mm Smith...the 610 revolver.  And I was going to reload for it until I had a prob. w/ my pistol.  But I wanted to load the all mighty full power 200gr bullets.  THOSE were power house loads.
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 5:53:03 PM EDT
Kaliburtz was the problem that the cylinder would seize up with the hot rounds,like the 586 would before their mods?

Bob
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 8:08:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/22/2003 8:11:32 PM EDT by Kaliburz]
Originally Posted By bobbyjack:
Kaliburtz was the problem that the cylinder would seize up with the hot rounds,like the 586 would before their mods?

Bob
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Actually, yes.  Worked fine on some factory loads and my first hand loads.  Not quite sure why they cylinder started to rub the barrel... granted, this is an early 610 (firing pin on hammer).  Was there a recall or fix I dont know of???? (As you can tell, Kaliburz did not send in the registration card.....)  IF ya want to IM me so this thread doesn't get "hijacked", do so.

Haven't had it fixed yet....was thinking of sending it to Smith to have a look see and a possible trigger job (lighten up the DA and the SA pull).  But I have soooo many other toys that.....
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 12:04:23 AM EDT
This thread is so dead no hijack ,but smith had a call back on the 586 for just that reason,and mine had a hammer job(they changed the fireing pin) and did a trigger job!

Seams like it makes all the difference in the world!   On my 586 that is!

Bet it would do the same for yours!  No waranty card is needed,just get ahold of Smith and they will try to make there good name better!
Bob [:D]
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 12:17:54 AM EDT
I had an Astra 44 and it is an exact replica of a model 29,mine had a trigger job and  my son-in-law has the same gun(no trigger job) and his siezes up with the 44 rem mags, and mine dosn't!


I know an Astra is not a model 29 but the problems are the same,Except it has the transfer bar and no pin on the hammer!

So the problem has to be the force on the trigger assembly !

Bob
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 5:22:44 AM EDT
[url=http://www.ohiorapidfire.com/hk.htm]Ohio Rapid Fire[/url] makes a MP5/10 in semi.

Link Posted: 12/23/2003 6:31:27 AM EDT

"And you can also spend 10 years in jail and pay a big ole fine for having an unregistered short-barreled rifle.
Wes"

*sniff sniff*  hmmm...seems i smell a big 'ol heaping pile of Bravo Sierra.  Ok, so this thread is dead, but i just had to reply to "wes".  Sorry bud, but you should really get your facts straight before "correcting" people.  I actually do know what i'm talking about, and unlike some people on this board, what i dont' know about i DON'T go spouting my "knowledge" on.  

Link Posted: 12/23/2003 10:48:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dredd308:
[url=http://www.ohiorapidfire.com/hk.htm]Ohio Rapid Fire[/url] makes a MP5/10 in semi.

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[img]http://www.ohiorapidfire.com/photos/RF10BHO.jpg[/img]

Yikes!!!
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 12:09:20 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 11:05:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ar15zams:
I am thinking about making a 10mm AR, but don't know if there are any other good 10mm rifles I could buy instead.  Are there any aside from the MP5/10?
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I own a early 10mm Oly that has had many thousands of rounds through it.  Easy to shoot and a lot of fun to boot.

It has the best ballistics of the pistol calibers.

If you get one, you will be pleased with it...
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 12:34:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2003 12:42:53 PM EDT by _DR]
Originally Posted By Troy:
That thar is some durn fine metal-work.  That's better'n I could do my own self, 'cep fer I does my weld'n with m' jumper cables 'n some weld'n rod.  I gotsta get me some purdy-lookin' welds like that'n.

-Troy
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I don't agree. A stamped steel receiver won't be expected to have the clean finish that a forged receiver will, welds such as pictured don't affect functionality and strength, which is more important than cosmetic appearance in a stamped steel receiver, such as Hechler & Koch weapons and clones have. Ohio Rapid Fire does good work. They debug many Century Arms HK 91 clone "abortions" and turn them into reliable and functional weapons. I would purchase one of their weapons any day. It's just not fair to compare a stamped receiver to a forged receiver, in my opinion, the method of manufacture is completely different. I have fired ORF rifles purchased by friends, I challenge you to find anyone who has dealt with ORF who has been dissatisfied with their products! Just my .02 cents worth.
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