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Posted: 7/21/2004 1:58:27 PM EDT
I was wondering what your recommendations are between a TA01 and a TA01NSN. I am most likely going to put them on a 16~18" flat top.

Is there pros and cons to using a TA01 on a 16" barrel?
Link Posted: 7/21/2004 3:48:05 PM EDT
The TA01 NSN has the tritium iron sights built into them for a back up. That's the only advantage of the NSN model I can think of. The regualr TA01, I believe, has a red reticle, which most will prefer. Amber stands out better to the eye, but the red will stand out better in most environments as the Amber is more easily washed out. I beleive that the TA01 also has the entire reticle in red, but the NSN only has the center section of the crosshairs illuminated in yellow. Pesojnally, I'd prefer the regular TA01.
Link Posted: 7/21/2004 4:02:40 PM EDT
Yep, all those listed above, and the TA01NSN comes with a TA51 flat top adapter.
Link Posted: 7/21/2004 5:05:22 PM EDT
There is one other (maybe significant?) difference between the TA01 and the NSN model, the bullet drop lines. The TA01 reticle is designed for M193 ammo out of a 20" barrel with the scope mounted in the carry handle. The NSN is designed for M855 out of a 14.5" barrel with a flat top mount (Trijicon's website says 16" barrel, but it does talk about SOPMOD, so I figure they meant 14.5".) This can mean significant differences in how accurate those lines are at distance. If you aren't using either kind of ammo however, you will need to understand the ballistics of your chosen round versus the design round.

Anyway, this is what I remeber the information to be regarding the reticles....

Scott
Link Posted: 7/21/2004 5:58:29 PM EDT
Scollins

That's kinda what I'm thinking about. I know I won't be using a 20" barrel, but I really don't need the extras that come on a NSN. I seen a place selling a 01 for $550.00 new and the NSN for $750.00 and was contemplating picking one up.

What to do ...what to do...
Link Posted: 7/21/2004 6:14:27 PM EDT
Get both
Link Posted: 7/21/2004 6:17:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By knightone:
The TA01 NSN has the tritium iron sights built into them for a back up. That's the only advantage of the NSN model I can think of. The regualr TA01, I believe, has a red reticle, which most will prefer. Amber stands out better to the eye, but the red will stand out better in most environments as the Amber is more easily washed out. I beleive that the TA01 also has the entire reticle in red, but the NSN only has the center section of the crosshairs illuminated in yellow. Pesojnally, I'd prefer the regular TA01.



Excellent post
Link Posted: 7/21/2004 7:10:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/21/2004 7:10:31 PM EDT by mongo001]
I love my NSN. Never used the tritium option yet. The optics are excellent. FOV is very good and all images are crystal clear. Don't have any experience with the TA01 (yet).
Link Posted: 7/21/2004 7:11:18 PM EDT
From Trijicon...

TA01


TA01C


TA01NSN (amber center for low light)

Link Posted: 7/21/2004 9:01:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/21/2004 9:05:17 PM EDT by Scollins]

Originally Posted By emore:
Scollins

That's kinda what I'm thinking about. I know I won't be using a 20" barrel, but I really don't need the extras that come on a NSN. I seen a place selling a 01 for $550.00 new and the NSN for $750.00 and was contemplating picking one up.

What to do ...what to do...



Well, I'm using a plain TA01 with an ARMS #10 mount on my 16" LMT M4 flat top upper, if that helps any. I figure the lines are close enough for my purposes. I'd go for the TA01 and get a flat top adapter and just realize that I'm in the "general vicintiy" in terms of the drop lines. It sure as hell isn't a bullseye rifle....... Spend the savings on some other cool toy. The back up sights on the NSN are joke in my opinion as well.....

Scott

ETA: I also think that the NSN is rated for use with night vision, where the regular TA01 is not. I think that is the primary reason for the yellow as opposed to red......
Link Posted: 7/21/2004 9:10:35 PM EDT
The SEALS in this thread seem happy with their issued TA01NSN.

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=194968
Link Posted: 7/22/2004 5:19:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By emore:
Scollins

That's kinda what I'm thinking about. I know I won't be using a 20" barrel, but I really don't need the extras that come on a NSN. I seen a place selling a 01 for $550.00 new and the NSN for $750.00 and was contemplating picking one up.

What to do ...what to do...



And exactly WHERE is this place selling TA-01s for $550???
Link Posted: 7/22/2004 5:45:24 AM EDT
I have the TA-01 and am happy with it.
I didn't feel the need for the iron sights on top of the ACOG.
I like the TA-01 reticle and features.
I didn't want to spend an extra $200 for things I didn't need.
Link Posted: 7/23/2004 6:31:15 AM EDT
Its All 'bout lookin TAC' basically what it comes down to. Im guilty of it as Im sure many in here are. Functionality paired with aesthetics, yipee.
Link Posted: 7/23/2004 1:27:42 PM EDT
I love my new TA01/TA51. I have mine mounted on a 16" flat top, but haven't had it out to sight in yet. I don't use mine to defend my life so the NSN was a little overkill for me and I doubt if I'm a good enough shooter to tell a HUGE difference in the scope markings. I'm still holding out for the Group buy on a TA31F with BAC and the ever popular "Donut of Death". It will be closer calibrated to a 16" flat top receiver.
Link Posted: 7/24/2004 1:56:05 AM EDT
One other option with the TA01NSN is that it allows the owner to replace the iron sights with a mini-red dot sight like a Docter or Optima with the use of a mounting plate. I also hated the backup iron sight, so I replaced my sight with a red dot sight. This combination gives you a great magnified optic with BDC on the standard TA01NSN and a backup red dot for quicker response time.

I've had problems trying to get use to using a TA31 so I went this route instead.
Link Posted: 7/24/2004 7:17:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By leadfoot:
........This combination gives you a great magnified optic with BDC on the standard TA01NSN and a backup red dot for quicker response time.

I've had problems trying to get use to using a TA31 so I went this route instead.



I didn't think either of the TA01/TA01NSN had the BAC opticals

What kind of problems did you have with a TA31???
Link Posted: 7/24/2004 11:16:44 AM EDT
He is refering to Bullet Drop Compensator not BAC.
Link Posted: 7/24/2004 12:44:14 PM EDT
Jetwc - I had problems with my eyes adjusting properly when using the TA31 in a confined area (i.e. house, interior of a building ...etc), but it or I worked great when using the scope outdoors. Nosmik was correct, in BDC was referring to bullet drop compensator.
Link Posted: 7/24/2004 5:26:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/27/2004 4:20:54 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/27/2004 5:05:21 AM EDT
Correct, the TA-01 does not come with a flattop mount. It has one allen screw to be used with an A2 mounting.

Don't know about the LaRue stuff, I just stuck mine on a ARMS 19S.

www.gandrtactical.com is a site sponsor and sells the 19S with two addtional screws for $109 shipped.
Link Posted: 7/27/2004 5:21:10 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/27/2004 10:14:35 AM EDT
I used the Trijicon TA51 on my TA01 and it mounted right up, no problem. Why do you prefer the Arms or LaRue over the Trijicon??
Link Posted: 7/27/2004 10:18:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/27/2004 10:34:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/27/2004 10:35:56 AM EDT by pbrstreetgang]

Originally Posted By leadfoot:
One other option with the TA01NSN is that it allows the owner to replace the iron sights with a mini-red dot sight like a Docter or Optima with the use of a mounting plate. I also hated the backup iron sight, so I replaced my sight with a red dot sight. This combination gives you a great magnified optic with BDC on the standard TA01NSN and a backup red dot for quicker response time.

I've had problems trying to get use to using a TA31 so I went this route instead.





groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/acogandoptima1.msnw
Link Posted: 7/27/2004 11:25:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/28/2004 11:36:03 AM EDT by Wolf_Warrior]
When I sold my AR about 5 years ago, I sold my TA01 to a buddy that had a fixed carry handle. He doesn't really like it much and doesn't use it. I didn't want to buy it back because I was going the flat top route with my new build.

HOWEVER, after viewing these posts and Googling around a little bit, it ocurred to me that the TA51 might be built for that exact purpose .

1. Am I right? Does the TA01 fit the carry handle directly and to a flat top with the TA51?

2. If so, are there mounts -- other than the TA51 for the TA01

Maybe I need to give my old buddy a call...

Wolf
Link Posted: 7/28/2004 3:46:48 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/28/2004 3:51:47 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/28/2004 5:27:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Wolf_Warrior:
When I sold my AR about 5 years ago, I sold my TA01 to a buddy that had a fixed carry handle. He doesn't really like it much and doesn't use it. I didn't want to buy it back because I was going the flat top route with my new build.

HOWEVER, after viewing these posts and Googling around a little bit, it ocurred to me that the TA51 might be built for that exact purpose .

1. Am I right? Does the TA01 fit the carry handle directly and to a flat top with the TA51?

2. If so, are there mounts -- other than the TA51 for the TA01

Maybe I need to give my old buddy a call...

Wolf



Just remember, an ARMS 19S will allow the ARMS 40 BUIS to be mounted below the ACOG. Using a TA-51 mount will not.
Link Posted: 7/28/2004 7:26:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/28/2004 7:30:52 AM EDT by Scollins]
I've got my TA01 mounted in an ARMS #10. I bought a ARMS #40 froma friend, which luckily had the cut aperature. I didn't really want the cut aperature, but after mounting the BUIS, I realized I NEEDED the cut aperature. It barely clears the bottom of the scope.

Scott
Link Posted: 7/28/2004 7:26:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By glklvr:
Just remember, an ARMS 19S will allow the ARMS 40 BUIS to be mounted below the ACOG. Using a TA-51 mount will not.



Thanks. Good point to remember. Looks like LaRue has one similar to the ARMS 19 (two throw levers). I suppose that it would have the same limitation as the full size #19.

Wolf
Link Posted: 7/28/2004 8:41:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/28/2004 9:37:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By glklvr:

Originally Posted By Wolf_Warrior:
When I sold my AR about 5 years ago, I sold my TA01 to a buddy that had a fixed carry handle. He doesn't really like it much and doesn't use it. I didn't want to buy it back because I was going the flat top route with my new build.

HOWEVER, after viewing these posts and Googling around a little bit, it ocurred to me that the TA51 might be built for that exact purpose .

1. Am I right? Does the TA01 fit the carry handle directly and to a flat top with the TA51?

2. If so, are there mounts -- other than the TA51 for the TA01

Maybe I need to give my old buddy a call...

Wolf



Just remember, an ARMS 19S will allow the ARMS 40 BUIS to be mounted below the ACOG. Using a TA-51 mount will not.



True, but you can use the Trijicon mount as long as you use the 40L, which I prefer to the regular 40 because of size. (Plus it looks nicer)
Link Posted: 7/28/2004 9:52:03 AM EDT
Can someone post a pic of the TA01 mounted to a flattop using either the ARMS, TA51, or LaRue mounts.
Thanks,
Mike
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