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Originally Posted By VASCAR2:I figure when you delete the bolt your also deleteing the charging handle.
(edit) It has been confirmed by CMMG that this is not the case. The charging handle is still included even if you choose the 'No Bolt Group' option. It looks like it was just an error on your order. |
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tire_iron: Man, that was a fantastic range report. Thank You very much for all your effort.....
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Very nice Range Report. Thanks.
Lots to be said about what ammo your particular rifle likes. I have a 20" CMMG that will shoot 1" at 50 yards with Fed Bulk. My CMMG M4 LE shooting the same round looks like a shotgun pattern. Dave N |
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Thanks gents - it was the effort I saw in this thread that lead me to do what I did. I thought I would just "give back" so to speak.
cheers tire iron |
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Great stuff, love this thread.
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I finally got to shoot my evil JAC kit. I got is used from a board member with a BDM mag. I really wish I had bought one of these sooner, it was quite a blast.
I started out with a well lubed, barely fired kit and ran 25 rounds of CCI mini mags through it with no problems. I was shooting at a 14 x 10" plate at 50 yards. I ran it through a 10.5" Bushmaster with an Aimpoint H-1. I didn't have to adjust the point of aim at all, and it was extremely difficult to miss the plate. I forgot my spray paint, so I can's say what kind of groups I was getting, but whether I shot at the head or the bottom of the target, I was still on, so I figure elevation was pretty close. Next I tried Remington bulk pack hp (green box) and had several jams in a row. I think they are under powered. I then switched to Federal bulk pack and they ran like gang busters. I found out very quickly that one magazine is not enough. One thing I did note is I got quite a bit of spitting from under the charging handle. This went away with a piece of tape. What are the weak links on the JAC kits and how long do they typically last? |
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Joe731: Thanks for the great range report. Doing that's a lot of extra work and we appreciate
your effort .... wildearp: There aren't any real weak points. Your Ciener kit will normally last a lifetime. Unless you shoot as much as I have. Guessing but with a good kit to start with and regular cleaning and CLP,,,,, 100,000 + rounds.... Yes, These kits are that good.. CMMG's Stainless Steel Kit, Only God Knows...... Dave S / Spec |
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So after reading all 17 pages Im more confused than ever. Well sorta. :)
I am looking to build a dedicated .22 upper that is as good as any Annie bolt gun. My purpose is to make a training rifle in an automatic platform to train on for my LR.308 It would also be great to use it for tactical training like 3 pos. etc. The weight of the barrel is a concern but I am willing to overlook it for the accuracy. The Spikes Loather Walther barrels look amazing but it looks like on their site that we cant get them anymore. I may have skipped some threads as I was drooling to much. :) So.. How do I need to build my upper? And just to be clear. This is the preferred method over getting a S/W 15/22 :D Dusty |
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None of the 22 uppers will fit your LR 308 Lower. DPMS is coming out with a new 22 upper.
I'm not sure of the specifics or the barrel options. All I have heard of is that it's being released in Bull Profile. Other than that, for accuracy, Clint Beyer's Barrels are nearly unbeatable for accuracy. If you saw my post about his 16" barrel, you have a pretty good picture of their capability. His shorter barrels are similar in capability. CMMG can build you an upper using one of his barrels, directly from them. Or, you can order the barrel from Clint and do the build yourself. Any of these options will likely be a good choice, that choice is up to you... Added, I just read that DPMS is offering an M4 Version Upper too.. Good Luck, Dave / Spec |
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Thanks Dave. I know it wont fit the .308 but I want a .223 as well so this will be a good excuse to get the lower as well.
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Originally Posted By dustyk:
Thanks Dave. I know it wont fit the .308 but I want a .223 as well so this will be a good excuse to get the lower as well. That's the spirit!! True ARFCom thinking. YMMV |
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To add to the trigger list. My LMT 2 stage notched works fine with my 6.5" dedicated CMMG upper.
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Tactipug. The ultimate compact firepower!
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mah827: Thanks, Edited it in as working with CMMG Uppers.
Barrel length isn't really a factor with the proper spring set up.... |
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CMMG use the mad dog mags? Those I have plenty of because of my Spikes dedicated upper with a lother walther barrel which I like realy well, but I also like to try new things.
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I'm a new shooter to .22 LR conversion/dedicated units for the AR family of guns. However, having one built and using it now for a few weeks, I've discovered a cause for FTF that I’ve been unable to see mentioned in this thread or others.
It appears my Ciener unit (on an upper assembled by Accuracy Speaks, Mesa AZ as a dedicated .22 LR AR) is jamming due to the firing pin failing to retract fully. The rim of the round is not getting seated onto the bolt face by the impediment of the firing pin. The Firing Pin is not retracting by spring pressure and feels “sticky”. This malfunction occurs only when attempting to load the first round from a magazine. I've ruled out magazines as a problem by using all three of my fitted "tuned" Ciner 10 rounders, three Black Dog 25 rounders, and a 50 round drum. Same FTF malfunction with all seven magazines. This malfunction started after about 300 rounds of ammo testing with various ammo using a suppressor fired semi-wet. Lots of crude got blown back into the receiver area. Koil oil the hell out of the bolt, cleaned everything up, but the firing pin still sticks and the malfunction persist. I think, given my limited experience and training, that cleaning the firing pin and its channel in the bolt would fix this problem. May also be a case of a bad firing pin spring. So…for those with more knowledge and real world experience with this than I…please advise accordingly. Some immediate questions I have are: -Proper way to disassemble the bolt to gain access to the firing pin channel and the firing pin? (pictures please) -Source for a replacement firing pin spring? Or a better firing pin. Ciener parts appeared a bit rough in finish…but they work, so far. -Schematic for the Ciener unit? Also, are the parts from CMMG usable in a Ceiner unit? IN case I need to start replacing parts. -Firing Pin? -Firing Pin Spring? -Forward assist unit? Thanks in advance for your input. Bob |
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I am getting ready to build a dedicated .22 and had a question about the buffer and spring. do i use a heavy or carbine spring and buffer or should i get a lighter spring? any help is greatly appreciated.
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mososodbob: Most of the CMMG Parts have been upgraded and it's very Iffy whether they would work.
Black Dog Machine had replacement parts For Ciener Kits at one time. I don't believe Ciener will be selling any as he has Federal Charges against him for his business practices. Sorry an Answer took so long. Suarezem47: You don't even need the buffer and spring with a 22 but any will suffice to help hold your Kit in place if you prefer.. Dave S |
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What are you guys using for magazines. I just ordered a CMMG 22 upper and am looking into getting mags. I see the CMMG and Black Dogs are favorites. I have a Doublestar lower I am going to put this upper on.
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Either mags should work fine. The new CMMG Gen ll modular mags have steel feed towers, can add or subtract capacity using cores and are very easy loading.
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Originally Posted By VaFish:
Originally Posted By SpecOps-13:
I'd build a BB Gun if it looked like a real AR-15. That Ammo is still available and Very Cheap....... Air rifle upper for AR15: Pilk Guns Have you checked that link lately? They are now in full production with the Crosman name on it. $600.00 from PyramydAir.com I think I'll pass...for now. |
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Originally Posted By hoppinglark:
Originally Posted By VaFish:
Originally Posted By SpecOps-13:
I'd build a BB Gun if it looked like a real AR-15. That Ammo is still available and Very Cheap....... Air rifle upper for AR15: Pilk Guns Have you checked that link lately? They are now in full production with the Crosman name on it. $600.00 from PyramydAir.com I think I'll pass...for now. Now that we're back into panic buying season with the election coming up. These uppers are back in my spotlight. We're likely in for more ammo cost increases in the future. That in itself may make that link well visited... Dave S |
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I picked up two Spikes barrels from a member here and now I'm trying to find collars for them, so I can have two dedicated uppers. Not having any luck, I've been searching for the last week. I've though about turning the nipple down to fit the CMMG collar but I'd rather find colars that fit. Any suggestions or leads on collars would be appreciated.
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Call Spike's. They still have the collars - just got mine in two days ago. They are busy - might try emailing them also.
http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/contact_us.html Spikes Tactical LLC 2593 Clark Street #103 Apopka, FL 32703 USA Phone: 407.928.2666 Fax: 866.283.2215 Sales/Billing Email: [email protected] |
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Model 1 sales uses same size collar as Spikes.
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Originally Posted By MikeS1970:
Call Spike's. They still have the collars - just got mine in two days ago. They are busy - might try emailing them also. http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/contact_us.html Spikes Tactical LLC 2593 Clark Street #103 Apopka, FL 32703 USA Phone: 407.928.2666 Fax: 866.283.2215 Sales/Billing Email: [email protected] http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u307/ewasashinki/Spikescollarinvoice0001.jpg I called Spikes on this (ST2C180) on 3/6/12 and was told they no longer have them. I also talked with tech support twice and they were no help at all. Just got off the phone with Sharron at Spikes and she says yes they have the ST2C180 and takes my order - whats up with that. Thanks for posting the invoice I would have not called them back if I hadn't seen it. |
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Just a note to anyone with questions about Hammer / Trigger Combos or Trigger Packs that will work with AR-22's.
See page 11 of this thread, About half way down the page is my post # 2390. It's a list we started 2 years ago. Anyone who sees a need to update the list, Please PM me with details so The list can be kept up to date.. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_15/441890_22_Conversions___Dedicated_22_s__22_Builds___Range_Reports__Ammo__Tips__Tricks__Insight_and_More_.html&page=11 Thank You, Dave / SpecOps-13 in Florida |
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I used a Wilson Combat Trigger Pack with my A2 CMMG and a Slide Fire Stock. The trigger pack is one from when they first came out. I believe it's 3 lb trigger pull. CCI Mini Mags were my choice of ammo. Man, was it a blast. This trigger pack has doubled with a Tactical Solutions LW 22 Upper and standard ammo but this set up today really worked out well. My upper is really pretty heavy too.
No pictures, no camera, no cell phone, no job. |
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TACCOM,,,,, Great New Ideas From Tim.....
This is my first look at any of TACCOM's Products. I'm not up to date on the latest descriptive words, but Totally Cool, Awesome and Sick (That Word I've never used much before) came to mind as I opened the package and got a view of what was sent. The barrel is marked 17". That's a first for me...I envision an Ultra Light Build coming out of this... A 22 Carbine you could carry about as easily as the Ruger LCP. Unbelievable Tim... I'm impressed,,,, Big Time... Dave South I couldn't decide which picture to post, I liked the camo and my Wife liked the wood background so here's both. Carbon Fiber Fore-end, Super Light Barrel and Carbon Fiber Butt Stock... BTW, this barrel doesn't need an alignment pin. The bolt collar takes care of that... No over or under torque required... Made my initial range trip last night. Showed the Carbine to the Range Master, Brother Ed. His first comment was total amazement at how light the weight was. Ed doesn't get very excited over anything. He's seen it all. This one held his attention for more than the normal length of time. I'd have had him shoot it but he didn't have any back up to take care of the desk. I weighed the TACCOM Carbine as built with a cheapo NC Star, 6x Scope at 3-3/4 pounds. Well, I built this using a lower I'd had decommissioned and stuffed in the back of one safe. It's an Old Olympic. I tried the new CMMG BHOA Magazine first. I thought it would fit fine as I've used them in a number of my lowers. Wrong answer. It got stuck so bad when I pushed it in I had to literally beat it out. I had several of BDM's X-Form Mags along and they fit very good. The first few rounds gave a little grief as far as feeding but I dropped down to 5 rounds per magazine for a time and everything went well. After 50 or so rounds I went back to full magazines and everything worked great except the expected,,,, Federal Bulk.. Over 200 rounds and 11 just wouldn't go bang... I busted one so many times it looked like the edge of a commercial pie crust. As I had expected, the accuracy was mediocre at best. I used this ammo just to get some rounds through the barrel. Even so, The TACCOM had absolutely no problem staying well within the 3" Shoot-N-See Target Centers. Once the barrel is seasoned with several hundred more rounds I'll do some good ammo. Should be no problem cutting the group size by more than half. The picture shows one 5 shot group at 25 yards that measures approximately 1" CTC. I consider this pretty good given the inconsistency of the Federal and the fact that the barrel was new and "Unseasoned". Use moderation when cleaning the barrel. as with any good grade barrel. It is capable of many, many thousands of rounds and I believe above average accuracy once it's broken in properly. NOTE: If you're going to shoot with a Slide Fire Stock or a Full Auto Lower. Use a good grade ammo. Winchester bulk at the very least. Federal Bulk scares me with it's inconsistency. I'd hate to have a bullet dribble into the barrel and several more run into it before I could get off the trigger. My impression, this is one of the few firearms I've ever fired that was a complete BLAST to shoot. I'm getting older and weaker, the super light weight made for standing, off hand shooting that was so easy and so much fun. I'm Totally Hooked. Tim, You have an Awesome start on a product line... The Butt Stock and the Fore-End are very comfortable to use and the length of the Butt Stock allows the Scope to be mounted more forward for a better balance than is normally achievable... Dave in Florida... TACCOM's Site for those who've asked: http://www.taccom3g.com/ TACCOM, Match Ammo Update: I decided to continue this thread and update the title. Some of you have it marked awaiting a Match Ammo Update... My Range was quiet while I was shooting Winchester 555 but the groups and the reliability were about the same as with Federal Bulk, SAD... 1" 5 shot groups was about as good as it got. I'm not going to bother posting quarter sized groups now. As soon as I started getting ready to shoot Match Ammo, All "L" broke loose in the 5 lanes beside me. I don't know if it was all young ons or what. I get into a mode when I get serious and didn't even look. I shot a total of 10 centers for accuracy after I had played with the bulk ammo. Of which 4 were with the Winchester 555. I picked the best of 2 groups each for Eley, CCI and Wolf. The 3 best ammo choices I have at the present.... This TACCOM Build amazed the "L" out of me. It's a Tack Driver off the bench and it's only got about 500 rounds through the barrel. I'm really Psyched Up about it..... Note, I switched to white center pasters from the orange, mid stream. White was easier to see in the lighting conditions tonight. And, I didn't re-zero the scope for the ammo, I left it where it was for the Winchester 555. Dave S |
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When my Green Laser Dot appears on your Forehead.You've already missed what just happened, Forever..
The Green has become Red, it's running down your face and into your eyes and the Green Laser is now shining out the back of your head. Ooooops!!! |
Does it look like the end user would be able to take those apart to shorten them up a little? I'm curious if they're pinned together or epoxied. I'm really interested in this set up, but at this point in life I don't wanna buy stuff unless it's exactly what I want (or at least capable of being turned into what I want)
For me personally, I'd want the length of pull about 2" shorter and the bbl 16" measured from the breech face to the muzzle. Is that 17" measured from the front of the receiver or from the breech? It looks a little long to me for some reason. Man o man would I like to have that set-up in a shorter length though. |
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Originally Posted By Justin_Sain:
Does it look like the end user would be able to take those apart to shorten them up a little? I'm curious if they're pinned together or epoxied. I'm really interested in this set up, but at this point in life I don't wanna buy stuff unless it's exactly what I want (or at least capable of being turned into what I want) For me personally, I'd want the length of pull about 2" shorter and the bbl 16" measured from the breech face to the muzzle. Is that 17" measured from the front of the receiver or from the breech? It looks a little long to me for some reason. Man o man would I like to have that set-up in a shorter length though. Best to go here and PM or E Mail Tim of TACCOM Directly for a faster more reliable answer. He's the man who makes them. http://www.ar15.com/member/member.html?id=298641 |
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Thanks, but I emailed him a week or so ago, I figured someone here might know. No rush. I'll find out when I find out, but I would like to know. Just picturing a shorter version...shew, would be sweet.
edited to add I was contacted via pm. I didn't want to leave this looking like it was open ended. I'm 90% sure I'm gonna be placing an order. When it looks as good as it shoots.... you're onto something good in my book. |
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I've been thinking of picking up a CMMG bolt conversion kit for the M&P, then selling off my SIG 522 .22lr. This would free up funds for a new project.
A lot of ppl here seem to prefer a dedicated upper, but for that cost I might as well just keep the SIG. How reliable and accurate is the CMMG kit? Will I be disappointed? I mainly just use my SIG as a plinker and target shooting. It's been super reliable and very accurate but it might be time to let it go... |
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Well being out here in the bush the past 4 months with internet access and a credit card has left me with an extra PSA stripped upper and a completed Spikes lower... And since I am moving to Cali in November and my 5.56 guns can't tag along... its rimfire time again.
I had originally bought one of the first Chiappa M4 uppers and did an extensive review on it it a few years back, I'm sure it is lost in the archives but I know one thing... I don't want another. I have a sig 522 and since my girlfriend has gotten a little too attached to it... i need to build. At this point... its down to CMMG or Spikes.. I love Spikes, have 3 of their lowers, but I don't want a 16" barrel. I want a 18 or 20", like CMMG carries. Is there any mixing and matching or am I pretty much committing myself to a manufactor with my barrel choice? |
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mfdif: Using a CMMG Conversion will be reliable. If you go to page 4 of this thread you can read about the expected accuracy in a standard AR-15 Barrel. That's in one of my posts there.
FreezinSig: You need to make a choice between Spike's and CMMG. There will be some machining required to mix and match. CMMG has a much larger selections of barrels in the length you're looking for. MikeS1970: All I can say is: You've made a beautiful set of twin uppers... Awesome.... Dave S |
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When my Green Laser Dot appears on your Forehead.You've already missed what just happened, Forever..
The Green has become Red, it's running down your face and into your eyes and the Green Laser is now shining out the back of your head. Ooooops!!! |
I see this thread is on the very last page, so I'll bump it with plans for my first dedicated .22 LR upper.
I just got my SBR stamp back, so I will be using that lower (Spike's) with a Geiselle SSA-E. For the upper I'm using a CMMG reciever with an aluminum sleeved Taccom 4" barrel inside a JP/Vtac handguard. Also plan on getting the CMMG India bolt carrier group and replacing the extractor and firing pin with the Taccom ones I ordered with the barrel. (Got the whole reliability kit) Using a Matech rear and KAC front sight until I get ahold of a Vortex SPARC. I also picked up 3 Black Dog 25 round mags. Hopefully everything works together! I guess I will find out later this month when I get the BCG. Can't wait!! |
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My Ceiner kit works now. Thanks to you guys and CMMG LOL.
This thread has been my saving grace in getting my JAC conversion to work. I have had it since the late 80’s JAC only had excuses and blame for how it was somehow my fault or my guns fault or any fault of the over 30 AR’s I tried it in. BUT IT WAS NEVER JAC A.. fault. My son now actually wants to really learn to run an AR platform, so I need a conversion. I took an old PWA 10” barrel with a 6” xm style flash suppressor a stripped palmetto state armory upper and this kit and made him a dedicated upper that wouldn’t work. I tried everything in this thread plus I tried everything the Bazooka Brothers (http://bazookabrothers.com/tech_assistance.htm AR15/M16.22 CONVERSION MODIFICATIONs) said before I got frustrated and bought a CMMG.. The CMMG works awesome out of the box on the 10 inch barrel so long as I use Black Dog Machines Magazines. Then I got really hard headed and decided to reverse engineer the JAC Kit using the CMMG as an exemplar. In my estimation I have about 25 hours into this JAC kit but it runs. It won’t take you this long. But here are some things that are not in other places in this thread Now remember I had polished and buffed and filed my keester off, replaced the firing pin, as well as the extractor both from Black Dog as well as the Lakeside recoil spring set that Black Dog sells, then I had reshaped the Black Dog extractor as well BEFORE I started the whole let me compare the two different kits process. I had the JAC kit working so that it would feed and extract by hand but it would fail to go all the way into battery at least 1 in 10 times and get a light strike, it also had nasty stove pipes lots of Ceiner Jams that wedge a brass between the bolt and the charging handle. I couldn’t run 10 rounds at a time normally like normally it was 3 shots before it would jam in some way. I felt like I had mattie mattel the jammomatic. The first big difference mechanically (besides quality and quality control and better materials) in how the kits look is the Relief cut on the rail by the ejection port opposite the ejector. I took a really big drink of my Capt’n he seems to help a lot at times like this, put the rails in a vice between a couple blocks and grabbed my most aggressive file and 20 minutes later I had the relief cut done. ( this is visible next to the tooth brush in the picture) This is not for the faint hearted or inexperienced with a file. Go and shoot it. NO MORE CEINER JAMS no more stove pipes. Still won’t go into battery like 3 out of 10 times still can’t shoot a full mag. I figured out the ejectors actions looked different as the kits both go into battery. So I tried to reshape the Black Dog extractor to match the CMMG got it pretty close. Go and shoot it, runs most of the time. Still fails to go into battery about twice in a magazine. Talk with the Capt’n some more.. (I am really getting to like that Zero) Decide to scalp the Extractor from my new CMMG kit and try it. Gun runs better still doesn’t go into battery 2 or 3 times in 3 Magazines. I shot about 4,000 rounds into the berm while I went through this entire process over the last month. I know it would have been cheaper to just buy another CMMG but CEIner got my money and I was going to make this POS work. SO since I have the CMMG apart (and more Capt’n) I thought well let’s try their recoil spring.. go and shoot it, OMG bad choice. It must be lighter than the Lakeside one. SO now I know I need a stronger recoil spring…I then remembered that I had tried shortening one of the Lakeside recoil springs to no avail earlier in this process and that I had the long non working piece left from that. I found that these springs had closed loop ends and would not coil into each other if I added an extra piece at the base of the recoil spring guide before I put the standard length one on top of it. Well I started with about a 2 inch additional piece I think it is about an inch now as I was smart enough to remember a pair of side cutters when I went to the local shooting hole this morning. I just kept cutting 3 coils at a time till it WORKED then I shot 120 rounds with no malfunctions using Black Dog Magazines. Mondays mission call CMMG order a replacement Extractor for my new kit.( Cuz I ain’t taking the cmmg one out now that it works in the JAC kit) order a complete CMMG 22 upper to go with the CMMG kit I now have. I just ordered 2 LW 15 composite lowers, so in a few weeks I will have 2 complete 15 22s that work and no longer are kits. Off to see the Capt’n …. |
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Okay, after reading this entire thread, I am just as confused as when I started.
If you wanted to buy a drop in COMPLETE Upper that's as light as possible which one would be the best option? Also, it should be compatible with the best magazines available, which from reading this thread appear to be the Black Dog mags.. Yes I am confused and need help, I have grandkid's who need to be taken out and taught safe gun handling and how to have fun hitting the target. Okay so the wife and I plan on having fun dates shooting too! |
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The lightest on the Market would be a TACCOM Barrel with carbon fiber sleeve, next would be a CMMG light weight barreled dedicated upper, Tactitcal Solutions LT upper or a Chiappa which uses a polymer upper. Personally I'd shy away from the Chiappa, decent design, cheaper component material and made in Italy. All of these use Black Dog Machine mags which follow the Atchisson pattern.
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Thank you for the quick response. It is most helpful.
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Bounce for Renewed Viewing of those of you who are new to 22's.
This thread and others are listed in the top folders of the front page of the index of threads under "Important". When ARFCOM staff decided to put all of these threads into folders rather than simply be stickied at the top of the indexes, I've seen the reads on this one go from about 1,000 a month to a mere trickle, Everyone skips over the folders and misses out on a lot of really educational material. Most of the other threads in the " Important Folders" have done the same and there's a lot of good information in them. Dave / SpecOps-13 in Florida |
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