600 Lumen LED Replacement head for Surefire M951, M961, M900 AR/ M4 weapon lights from TNVC

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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - 600 Lumen LED Replacement head for Surefire M951, M961, M900 AR/ M4 weapon lights from TNVC (Page 1 of 2)

Posted: 2/17/2010 6:56:57 AM EDT

On the heels of our very popular Q5 Drop In Lamp, we are pleased to announce the release of our brand new TX4.

We have had countless requests from our wonderful Servicemen and Servicewomen for a super-high output LED conversion head for their issued Surefire Millennium Universal Weapon Lights. The standard 60 and 120 lumen lamps have not been bright enough for MOUT operations. We incorporated that feedback into the design of our new TX-4. The TX-4 is a drop-in replacement head with incredible performance in a small package. Basically, you won't have a huge turbohead bezel hanging off the front of your gun. This new conversion head is extremely versatile when used with our adapters. Check out the specs:

Posted: 5/18/2010 5:20:52 PM EDT

[#1]

I am very impressed! The only thing odd is how weak the M600C was compared to the X300. My M600C's ranged from 165-193L, so there is some variance with Surefire products.

Is this a 4-die unit? What MA is it driven at? Regardless, based on your beamshots, I am VERY tempted to include your product in my next AR-build. It looks like a real barn-burner.

I see that at 6V it is listed at 600L, what is the exact voltage cut-off that it is regulated at, and at 3V, is it running in direct-drive?

Also, the hot-spot looks similar on the X300 to this new head. How does the throw compare? Impossible to tell in room-photos, but out-doors is the throw a lot better with the new head, or is most of the extra light output in the spill? Do you have an LUX readings for this unit?

*Sorry for all the technical questions, but I am highly impressed with this product and think for a MINOR weight penalty over the M600C, it might offer some MAJOR illumination gain in quite the economical package when coupled with a 6PD/LaRue setup. Definitely liking it.

Posted: 5/18/2010 5:32:21 PM EDT

[#2]

I have been waiting for this for about 2 years.

Will get one for my 500A when I can afford it.

Posted: 5/18/2010 5:49:46 PM EDT

[#3]

So I could mate one of these to my 6P if I also got the adapter? OMG that would be amazing!!!

Posted: 5/18/2010 8:02:53 PM EDT

[#4]

I got to see this on Chips rifle at a Magpul Dynamics Class last month. Extremely bright!

Posted: 5/19/2010 8:49:32 AM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
I got to see this on Chips rifle at a Magpul Dynamics Class last month. Extremely bright!

It looks like a Malkoff M60 MC-E would look if it had "throw". I am very impressed with this product and WTB as soon as I get a paycheck!

Posted: 5/19/2010 10:46:51 PM EDT

[#6]

If I were to run one of these units on my 951, could I use a 18650 cell instead of 2 CR123s?

Posted: 5/24/2010 7:41:36 AM EDT

[#7]

Payment sent for a TX4-M2C combo. Can't wait to get it.

MadDog

Posted: 5/25/2010 11:16:45 AM EDT

[#8]

will this work with the m962
,thanks

Posted: 5/25/2010 12:00:51 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:

will this work with the m962

,thanks

The black chart posted above states that it will.

Posted: 5/25/2010 12:38:06 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
will this work with the m962
,thanks

The black chart posted above states that it will.

Yes it does, looked right passed it
R_R; stay safe ,good shooting

Posted: 5/26/2010 7:33:32 PM EDT

[#11]

Interesting. I wonder how this handles next to the Lumens factory Seraph P7 turbo head.850 lumens.

Posted: 5/31/2010 1:12:13 PM EDT

[#12]

All I can say is

! It's like walking around with a sun in your pocket. Recieved mine last week and have been joyfully wasting battery life since then. Next purchase will definetly be a five-way tailcap with strobe!!! I mean who dosen't need a 600lumen storbing pocket LED flashlight that will operate inside the seventh ring of hell!!

PICS:
What is that??4 LEDs

On the G3, for walking around, flashlight duty

On the 6PDefender, slips in an Elzetta mount and rides atop my STAG 16in

Quoted:
So I could mate one of these to my 6P if I also got the adapter? OMG that would be amazing!!!

Sure can...

Posted: 6/2/2010 12:11:06 PM EDT

[#13]

Anyone try this on the Primary Arms (PAWL1) knock off of the Surefire light?

Posted: 6/2/2010 4:53:47 PM EDT

[#14]

Very interesting.

Posted: 6/4/2010 11:28:21 AM EDT

[#15]

Just got my TX-4 head yesterday in the mail. I really with I could take a picture that would show how amazing this light head realy is! Worth EVERY PENNY I paid for it.....thanks again!

Posted: 6/4/2010 12:06:09 PM EDT

[#16]

Got 2 of these :
for Surefire E2E w/adapter ..... small light @ 600 LUMENS WOW

for Surefire 961 ...super fit and function

Well worth the funds!

Posted: 6/4/2010 2:59:50 PM EDT

[#17]

Thanks guys...

Thank you for the orders of course and sure happy you gents like the new lights! We have another rounds down range marathon on-going with a few lights attached to some guns and so far so good after 30K (6 months) and counting.

Vic

Posted: 6/4/2010 3:09:39 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
Very interesting.

yup

Posted: 6/4/2010 4:09:49 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Very interesting.

yup

It sounds as though you have firsthand experience with the devices, as well as indication of being a PRoC LEO? Both are favorable.

I ordered up three units today for my regular shooting partner and myself, based significantly on TNVC's historic reputation to only offer for sale top rate gear that has been thoroughly tested. This appears to be exactly what the M3 that lives in the nightstand with the Glock for things that might go bump in the night, as well as the M96x's have been longing for. Our expectations are high.

We have no doubts that they will perform well, and TNVC CS has also always been superb over the past several years, even before they have become more well known. Thanks yet again Vic; it was very nice visiting. Please wish Chip all our best as well.

Posted: 6/9/2010 4:03:17 PM EDT

[#20]

I'm interested in one of these, but I couldn't help but notice the small gap between the SF body and this TNVC adapter piece. It appears on both the G3 and the 6P in the pics above.

Is this a fit problem, or do you just not have the adapter screwed down all the way?

Posted: 6/9/2010 8:07:35 PM EDT

[#21]

I received mine last week and I have been doing nothing but burn up batteries. This thing is AMAIZING. It truely is like having the power of the sun in your hands. Mine is mounted on a Surefire G2 with clicky tail cap and mine does not have any gap between the adapter and the G2 body. Maybe the ones in the picture above have not been tightened down enough on the O-rings.

MadDog

Posted: 6/11/2010 9:04:24 AM EDT

[#22]

Received three of the TX4 whitelight heads yesterday, and they are very impressive so far.

The fit and finish is superb.

The beam is brighter and whiter than the factory incandescents [even the 225], and provides a wider area of coverage without sacrificing throw. They are also physically slightly smaller.

I have yet to do any livefire tests to assess durability, but would be extremely surprised if they don't hold up.

I will be burning up some 123's over the weekend to validate the runtime claims.

ETA - I forgot the obligatory pic:

Posted: 6/11/2010 10:16:09 AM EDT

[#23]

You guys are killing me. I ordered mine last week and expect it any day now.

Posted: 6/12/2010 9:12:15 AM EDT

[#24]

no adapter needed for the M962 ? thanks.

Posted: 6/12/2010 11:37:39 AM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
no adapter needed for the M962 ? thanks.

That is correct; no adapter needed for the M962. The heads on the right in my pic above are TX4, M962, M3 respectively.

Posted: 6/12/2010 12:22:55 PM EDT

[#26]

thanks murderman: compare to the incand SF 225 lumens, can you tell the difference ?
I have 2 M962 so upgrade might be worth it.

Posted: 6/12/2010 2:13:31 PM EDT

[#27]

Murderman has mine. Can't wait to pick it up and try it out.

Posted: 6/12/2010 3:07:41 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
thanks murderman: compare to the incand SF 225 lumens, can you tell the difference ?
I have 2 M962 so upgrade might be worth it.

Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, and Ronnie Milsap might even be able to "tell the difference" from the factory MN10/MN11 incandescents.....that is obviously a bit of an exaggeration.

I'll be working with them during tonight's new moon

, as well as doing some runtime testing with fresh 123's; will post up my observations.

Posted: 6/12/2010 3:09:57 PM EDT

[#29]

thanks !

Posted: 6/15/2010 7:17:11 AM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:
thanks murderman: compare to the incand SF 225 lumens, can you tell the difference ?
I have 2 M962 so upgrade might be worth it.

Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, and Ronnie Milsap might even be able to "tell the difference" from the factory MN10/MN11 incandescents.....that is obviously a bit of an exaggeration.

I'll be working with them during tonight's new moon

, as well as doing some runtime testing with fresh 123's; will post up my observations.

Must be because of those darn sunglasses!

>>>JOKE>>>

Posted: 6/15/2010 12:59:55 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:
I received mine last week and I have been doing nothing but burn up batteries. This thing is AMAIZING. It truely is like having the power of the sun in your hands. Mine is mounted on a Surefire G2 with clicky tail cap and mine does not have any gap between the adapter and the G2 body. Maybe the ones in the picture above have not been tightened down enough on the O-rings.

MadDog

Nope, my g3 is the momentary only screw cap. Therefore the gap so it is momentary only(tightened down it would be constant on). Next up is the 5-way tailcap with strobe.

Posted: 6/18/2010 1:55:16 PM EDT

[#32]

I'm interested in ordering one of these units for my M900V but does having such a bright light cause a lot of bounce when used in doors? I would imagine it's pretty hard on your night vision (dilated pupils). Anyone experience this?

Posted: 6/18/2010 3:49:50 PM EDT

[#33]

What kind of throw are we talking with these? 100 yrds?

Posted: 6/18/2010 5:06:43 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:
What kind of throw are we talking with these? 100 yrds?

200 hundred effective range. Hope this helps.

Vic

Posted: 6/24/2010 5:32:45 AM EDT

[#35]

I've had this for several months now on my M3 Combatlight and I must say that this is the best LED replacement head out there right now. The color matches the body, the finish is top notch and looks like it's factory from Surefire, and of course it's BRIGHT! I can shine it on the ceiling in my room and the entire room is lit up as if I have the room light on. Outstanding product and at the price, you can't beat it. Highly recommended!

Posted: 6/29/2010 11:34:42 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:

I'm interested in ordering one of these units for my M900V but does having such a bright light cause a lot of bounce when used in doors? I would imagine it's pretty hard on your night vision (dilated pupils). Anyone experience this?

I'd be interested in the answer to this too. I am eyeing one of these units for the M500A that will be going on my "home defense" SBR.

Posted: 6/30/2010 8:20:52 AM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'm interested in ordering one of these units for my M900V but does having such a bright light cause a lot of bounce when used in doors? I would imagine it's pretty hard on your night vision (dilated pupils). Anyone experience this?

I'd be interested in the answer to this too. I am eyeing one of these units for the M500A that will be going on my "home defense" SBR.

While this is not the tech forum I will try to give you my response here.

As with the development of the TNVC Q5, I personally addressed this high light "off the wall" subject matter. With the new Tx4 like the Q5, it's not all about the hot spot which so many other competitor lights show and tell. In our line, it's about the reflector or "spill" as well. What we have strived for is a wide dispersed spill to go along with a hot spot to give the user the ability to see in the shadows sorta speak (outside the hot spot). (See our pictures here and on our web site). What this also does, is diffuse the hot spot so this blinding effect is not detrimental vs. other lamps out there that are designed to have the majority of light as a focused beam. We often get folks who say, "my X300 is just as bright as your Q5". In effect, they are correct because the lumens of the Surefire is concentrated mostly in the hot spot, with virtually no spill. In essence when your indoors looking at an object, you may not see much outside this main hot spot. With all our units, you actually can see clearly off to the side, outside of the main beam and that is also where our total lumens are located. In the example I just used with the X300, while this hot spot is almost as bright as our unit, our spill is over 4 times as bright. (Once again please see the pics in this thread showing the X300 comparison). Mind you our lamps have this wide diffused spill which does not have the blinding effect of a concentrated beam most others offer.

In closing, what he have done is designed our lights to have a throw and a generous spill that can give the user the best of both worlds while mitigating some of the deficiencies with a single scope approach of either one bright hot spot or one large spill beam. Hope this helps.

Vic

Posted: 7/6/2010 11:17:34 AM EDT

[#38]

Thought we would share some of our lastest feedback. Glad you got your light back!

Vic

Quoted:
Anyone who is on the fence for this upgrade needs to take the plunge. I had the opportunity to do some more low-light shooting over the weekend, and when the LEOs I was shooting with saw my TX-4 head in action they just about stole it from me

My carbine was taken away from me while my buddies put the TX-4 through it's paces. The "professional" consensus was that the throw and spill were perfect for entry work without being overwhelming, yet still appropriate for outdoor work as well. That's pretty tough to pull off from a technical standpoint-most lights are appropriate for one or the other, but not both.

I considered myself extremely fortunate to get it back

Here's mine (top carbine):

Posted: 7/22/2010 1:17:35 PM EDT

[#39]

This thing lets me reach out in the dark as far as I can in the day-

Still need to krylon things- my SF came anodized two different colors (bad batch I guess) so I wasn't concerned when black was all TNVC had, just gives the rifle more character-

Posted: 7/22/2010 1:24:59 PM EDT

[#40]

based on the pictures which hurt my eyes from the brightness, it seems like that much light in close quarters would be more of a hindrance than a help to the shooter...

Posted: 7/22/2010 3:26:49 PM EDT

[#41]

See my post above about our "spill" vs. hot spot. Our lamp is not blinding to use indoors (at least from the shooters perspective

) Of course this is also based on what your shining your light onto as well. Hope this helps.

Vic

Posted: 7/30/2010 8:07:46 AM EDT

[#42]

Btw guys, we STILL do have our TNVC Q5 drop ins as well. For those who do not need the increased lumens, these drop-ins have been standard for many folks out there. Hope this helps.

Vic

Posted: 8/31/2010 10:41:13 PM EDT

[#43]

HOLY SHIT!!!!

I thought that I had it made in the shade when I got one of your Q5 bulbs for my mounted 9P. We hunt deer, and then as soon as it is no longer legal daylight for deer, I lock on a light and we start hog hunting. I have shot a few hogs at 200-250 yards with the Q5... but have had some trouble seeing beyond that. I was just about to bother elzetta and ask them to make a "super throw" bulb that sends a tight hot spot out to 300 yards from a surefire... but this seems to fit the bill with the added benefit of some spill too.

Fine work guys... order placed.

Posted: 9/1/2010 8:25:34 AM EDT

[#44]

This thing is absolutely amaizing.

MadDog

Posted: 9/2/2010 6:40:55 PM EDT

[#45]

does anybody have one mounted on e seried body?
I was just wondering how it looks... also how bright is it with 1 primary CR123?

Thanks

Posted: 9/2/2010 6:44:31 PM EDT

[#46]

Just as bright. It puts out 600 lumens whether you use a 1, 2, or 3 CR123 cell body. The only difference as far as I know is run time.

MadDog

Posted: 9/3/2010 10:46:28 AM EDT

[#47]

Do you guys sell a kit for a complete light?! Im one of those unfortuante people who dont own any Surefire bodies..

Posted: 9/3/2010 3:24:12 PM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:
Do you guys sell a kit for a complete light?! Im one of those unfortuante people who dont own any Surefire bodies..

Was wondering the same thing

Posted: 9/4/2010 4:59:11 PM EDT

[#49]

Sorry, we do not. Just the head replacements. Thank you.

Posted: 9/9/2010 1:18:09 PM EDT

[#50]

So in order to add this to my light system (which looks like the one below, what do I need to order?

Quoted:
Thought we would share some of our lastest feedback. Glad you got your light back!

Vic

Quoted:
Anyone who is on the fence for this upgrade needs to take the plunge. I had the opportunity to do some more low-light shooting over the weekend, and when the LEOs I was shooting with saw my TX-4 head in action they just about stole it from me

My carbine was taken away from me while my buddies put the TX-4 through it's paces. The "professional" consensus was that the throw and spill were perfect for entry work without being overwhelming, yet still appropriate for outdoor work as well. That's pretty tough to pull off from a technical standpoint-most lights are appropriate for one or the other, but not both.

I considered myself extremely fortunate to get it back

Here's mine (top carbine):
http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/vltor_modstocks.jpg

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