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Posted: 4/3/2014 5:23:45 AM EDT
Now STFU about it. Put it to rest. Stop arguing it. Stop sending letters to the ATF. Stop telling people it's illegal to shoulder it. Specifically Inexile or whatever his name is that has been saying it's illegal.



Download link: Here
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 5:26:00 AM EDT
Interdasting.
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 5:28:44 AM EDT
Now I want one
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 5:29:47 AM EDT
BOOM!  Headshot.  (From the shoulder)
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 5:39:55 AM EDT
A shoe string by any other name...
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 6:14:01 AM EDT
Excellent!
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 6:15:42 AM EDT
Outstanding now we can quit seeing people tell us how we will wind up in prison for using our pistols  however we feel the need.
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 6:40:51 AM EDT
InExile get in here and eat some crow!
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He'll argue it. He'll argue saying, "if someone puts it on with the direct intention of using it from the shoulder it's illegal". Just watch.
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 6:46:05 AM EDT
I am curious if Inexile is Sergeant Joe Bradley

I am also curious as to the content of FTB #99146
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 9:01:18 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/3/2014 9:03:50 AM EDT
Niiiiiiiiice!


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PLEASE, tack this thread so we can link it every time some dumbass on the internet starts raising the red flag.
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 9:06:40 AM EDT
If it's a stock, then you can't run a short bbl then right?
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 9:50:34 AM EDT
Good. Now the local ATF wannabe with the hell frozen over avatar can quit bitching about it. Shit, this is probably a reply to his letter.
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 9:59:39 AM EDT
Pleasantly surprised!
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 9:59:55 AM EDT
nice
but, i'd prefer not to use it, no need to explain to any LEO about this and having the risk of running into someone stupid
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 10:09:03 AM EDT
The ultimate infacto laten!
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 10:13:15 AM EDT
GIGGITY!
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 10:49:01 AM EDT
is there a pdf yet?
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 11:02:10 AM EDT
+1 on the like!
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I'll upload it tonight when I get home
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Eta: Has this been cross posted to GD? Probably get more views there.
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I'll upload it tonight when I get home



Would appreciate it.........
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Thank you!
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Yes. I did them at the same time
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 11:35:14 AM EDT
Print this letter and keep with you when accidentally firing your pistol from the shoulder
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 11:37:13 AM EDT
Confirmed!
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 11:52:23 AM EDT
Need's to be tacked with a .pdf download thanks for sharing!
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 11:57:11 AM EDT
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Now STFU about it. Put it to rest. Stop arguing it. Stop sending letters to the ATF. Stop telling people it's illegal to shoulder it. Specifically Inexile or whatever his name is that has been saying it's illegal.
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Log out and log back in.  

Also, please upload the PDF of this.  Thanks!
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Now STFU about it. Put it to rest. Stop arguing it. Stop sending letters to the ATF. Stop telling people it's illegal to shoulder it. Specifically Inexile or whatever his name is that has been saying it's illegal.
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Log out and log back in.  

Also, please upload the PDF of this.  Thanks!


+1 on the PDFs......and thank you very much!

There are a few people on here that should STFU now.......it is/was so annoying.

Bravo
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 12:13:34 PM EDT
Outstanding OP, thanks much!
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Yes. I did them at the same time


<off to see heads exploding>
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 12:17:52 PM EDT
Nice and will be posting the PDF in some other places to have some others STFU...
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If OP could possibly SCAN this and PDF it, it would be great. I believe this is the only letter like this and I would like to print one for sure. It would be great to have it as high quality as possible.
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 12:51:36 PM EDT
Link to other threads? Would like to see the reactions from the know it alls.
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Linky
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It's still UGLY!  But I like it.
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 2:05:39 PM EDT
Egg meet face, face meet egg.
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Linky

Thanks
The brace is ugly as sin but works well enough. I much prefer this setup though.

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The brace is ugly as sin but works well enough. I much prefer this setup though.

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Linky

Thanks
The brace is ugly as sin but works well enough. I much prefer this setup though.

<a href="http://s.photobucket.com/user/02blackws679ta/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20140403_072438_zpsygrqvqo7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/02blackws679ta/Mobile%20Uploads/20140403_072438_zpsygrqvqo7.jpg</a>


Have you tried the brace for comparison?
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 3:43:36 PM EDT
Excellent.  I'm most anxiously awaiting iNeXiLe's response...


Link Posted: 4/3/2014 3:48:26 PM EDT
thanks OP!

omg, for something so simple this get beat to death....and regrettably I expect it still will.  Some people just CAN'T anything against they precious need to be right.  'ah well I'm glad to have this.
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InExile get in here and eat some crow!






He'll argue it. He'll argue saying, "if someone puts it on with the direct intention of using it from the shoulder it's illegal". Just watch.
That is exactly what I've been saying all along, at least your response shows you actually read what is posted. I have repeatedly stated that it is not how you fire the pistol that is the problem. I have told you all that firing a pistol from any position you want is 100% legal. My argument is in building a firearm, such as most here are doing, for the sole purpose of shoulder firing it is by the very definition a rifle regardless of what is used as a stock.
I dare anyone to find one post where I said it was illegal to shoulder fire your pistol. It is you guys that keep turning it into an argument on the legality of shoulder firing. My letter should be back soon where I asked about adding the SB15 or anything including lengthening or modifying the receiver extension for the purpose of shoulder firing it.
In actuality that RE question has been asked and answered a long time ago, the letter is in the stickies at the top of this forum.
ETA:  http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_122/525036_Request___Scans_of_any_letters_from_the_BATFE__that_pertain_to_AR_pistols.html&page=3#i5911558
Page 2 of the letter, question and answer 1.
 


 
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if you ask ATF "can I make a 9mm pistol with the intent of killing innocent people", the answer is of course no
does that mean all 9mm pistol is illegal now?
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if you ask ATF "can I make a 9mm pistol with the intent of killing innocent people", the answer is of course no

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if you ask ATF "can I make a 9mm pistol with the intent of killing innocent people", the answer is of course no

does that mean all 9mm pistol is illegal now?
Don't be stupid. Your asking about something that is already illegal. Shoulder firing a pistol is not illegal.



That particular question was asked in response to Desert_AIP's ridicules assertion and further insistence that because the SB15 was not classified as a stock it was impossible to design and build a rifle unitizing it as a stock.

 
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 4:36:50 PM EDT
Awesome news is awesome.  Glad I already have mine
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if you ask ATF "can I make a 9mm pistol with the intent of killing innocent people", the answer is of course no
does that mean all 9mm pistol is illegal now?
Don't be stupid. Your asking about something that is already illegal. Shoulder firing a pistol is not illegal.
 

isn't that exactly the game you are trying to play? you think we don't know what you are trying to do?

you know full well pistol is not "intended to be fired from shoulder", and your asking ATF "for the purpose of shoulder firing it" is playing exactly the game i outlined in last post
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Don't be stupid. Your asking about something that is already illegal. Shoulder firing a pistol is not illegal.

That particular question was asked in response to Desert_AIP's ridicules assertion and further insistence that because the SB15 was not classified as a stock it was impossible to design and build a rifle unitizing it as a stock.  
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My letter should be back soon where I asked about adding the SB15 or anything including lengthening or modifying the receiver extension for the purpose of shoulder firing it.
   

if you ask ATF "can I make a 9mm pistol with the intent of killing innocent people", the answer is of course no
does that mean all 9mm pistol is illegal now?
Don't be stupid. Your asking about something that is already illegal. Shoulder firing a pistol is not illegal.

That particular question was asked in response to Desert_AIP's ridicules assertion and further insistence that because the SB15 was not classified as a stock it was impossible to design and build a rifle unitizing it as a stock.  


It cannot be proven in a court of law that an individual purchased one of the arm braces with the sole intent of shouldering it.(Hell, strap it to your arm for the first shoot and you're golden, according to your own logic)

Say it with me now!

CAN. NOT. BE. PROVEN.

The burden of proof would be on the prosecutor to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the individual never, not once used the arm brace as it was originally intended.

Which is, for all intents and purposes, impossible.
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 4:59:22 PM EDT
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That is exactly what I've been saying all along, at least your response shows you actually read what is posted. I have repeatedly stated that it is not how you fire the pistol that is the problem. I have told you all that firing a pistol from any position you want is 100% legal. My argument is in building a firearm, such as most here are doing, for the sole purpose of shoulder firing it is by the very definition a rifle regardless of what is used as a stock.

I dare anyone to find one post where I said it was illegal to shoulder fire your pistol. It is you guys that keep turning it into an argument on the legality of shoulder firing. My letter should be back soon where I asked about adding the SB15 or anything including lengthening or modifying the receiver extension for the purpose of shoulder firing it.

In actuality that RE question has been asked and answered a long time ago, the letter is in the stickies at the top of this forum.


ETA:  http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_122/525036_Request___Scans_of_any_letters_from_the_BATFE__that_pertain_to_AR_pistols.html&page=3#i5911558

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He'll argue it. He'll argue saying, "if someone puts it on with the direct intention of using it from the shoulder it's illegal". Just watch.
That is exactly what I've been saying all along, at least your response shows you actually read what is posted. I have repeatedly stated that it is not how you fire the pistol that is the problem. I have told you all that firing a pistol from any position you want is 100% legal. My argument is in building a firearm, such as most here are doing, for the sole purpose of shoulder firing it is by the very definition a rifle regardless of what is used as a stock.

I dare anyone to find one post where I said it was illegal to shoulder fire your pistol. It is you guys that keep turning it into an argument on the legality of shoulder firing. My letter should be back soon where I asked about adding the SB15 or anything including lengthening or modifying the receiver extension for the purpose of shoulder firing it.

In actuality that RE question has been asked and answered a long time ago, the letter is in the stickies at the top of this forum.


ETA:  http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_122/525036_Request___Scans_of_any_letters_from_the_BATFE__that_pertain_to_AR_pistols.html&page=3#i5911558

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So then who gives a shit given the new ruling?  Using it improperly doesn't change its classification.  They don't address intent because it's immaterial.  How can knowingly using something improperly when it isn't illegal to use it improperly in the first place possibly be a crime?  What more do you want to fucking hear?  It's ok; you can build an AR pistol with an SB15 and not feel guilty about it.    

Or you can write another fucking letter...
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