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Posted: 8/17/2008 12:55:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/17/2008 12:56:19 PM EST by urbankaos04]
Title says it all.  How satisfied have you guys have been with you Opertaor builds?  Any concerns?  Or just pure win?
Link Posted: 8/17/2008 1:10:51 PM EST
I built one and liked it so much I built another a month later. I haven't had any problems personaly but had a couple of new shooters that had some ftf and fte. I blame those on the new shooters poor weapon handling skills. The barrels are super accurate for being crome lined. Looking at doing my first sbr and the 12.5'' operator is one of my choices.
this ones getting a acog eventually.

Link Posted: 8/17/2008 1:20:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By clharr:
I built one and liked it so much I built another a month later. I haven't had any problems personaly but had a couple of new shooters that had some ftf and fte. I blame those on the new shooters poor weapon handling skills. The barrels are super accurate for being crome lined. Looking at doing my first sbr and the 12.5'' operator is one of my choices.
this ones getting a acog eventually.
i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg314/clharr/P1020819.jpg
i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg314/clharr/P1020820.jpg


How could a new shooter cause a FTF or FTE??  It's not like you can limp wrist it or anything.  The only real operator cause malfunction (other than improper maintenance) I can imagine would be a double feed from not getting the mag in correctly, maybe from riding the bolt forward.
Link Posted: 8/17/2008 1:50:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By Currahee:

Originally Posted By clharr:
I built one and liked it so much I built another a month later. I haven't had any problems personaly but had a couple of new shooters that had some ftf and fte. I blame those on the new shooters poor weapon handling skills. The barrels are super accurate for being crome lined. Looking at doing my first sbr and the 12.5'' operator is one of my choices.
this ones getting a acog eventually.
i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg314/clharr/P1020819.jpg
i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg314/clharr/P1020820.jpg


How could a new shooter cause a FTF or FTE??  It's not like you can limp wrist it or anything.  The only real operator cause malfunction (other than improper maintenance) I can imagine would be a double feed from not getting the mag in correctly, maybe from riding the bolt forward.


let me explain. When is said ftf I meant failure to feed. Yes they were riding the charging handle and not seating the mags. As far as the fte I still haven't figured that out yet since I haven't had problems with them. Thanks.
Link Posted: 8/17/2008 2:19:17 PM EST
Ok. I'll bite.

What are the red marks for again?

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg314/clharr/P1020820.jpg
Link Posted: 8/17/2008 2:22:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By drw1006:
Ok. I'll bite.

What are the red marks for again?

i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg314/clharr/P1020820.jpg


Marks to remount I am guessing.  Zero is where the red lines match.
Link Posted: 8/17/2008 2:40:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/17/2008 2:41:08 PM EST by jmart]
Witness marks to make sure things haven't got out of whack.  Important on Eotech adjustments and BUIS windage adjustment.  Also, you can tell if the castle nut has loosened any.  With a quick glance, you can see if things have moved off zero.
Link Posted: 8/18/2008 7:17:23 PM EST
By the way, did any of you guys notice your uppers being marked CLE 1-8?  Mine is marked as such.  This marking is found on the top part of the barrel, about three inches from the receiver.  Any ideas?
Link Posted: 8/18/2008 7:20:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
By the way, did any of you guys notice your uppers being marked CLE 1-8?  Mine is marked as such.  This marking is found on the top part of the barrel, about three inches from the receiver.  Any ideas?


Compass Lake Engineering, 1 in 8" twist.

What do I win?
Link Posted: 8/18/2008 7:35:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/18/2008 7:39:51 PM EST by urbankaos04]

Originally Posted By jmart:

Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
By the way, did any of you guys notice your uppers being marked CLE 1-8?  Mine is marked as such.  This marking is found on the top part of the barrel, about three inches from the receiver.  Any ideas?


Compass Lake Engineering, 1 in 8" twist.

What do I win?


Okay, but the barrel is supposed to be 1x7, as noted by the DG 1:7 556MM CMP marking on the barrel just in front of the FSB.
Link Posted: 8/18/2008 10:08:24 PM EST
If I recall correctly, CLE boogered up some of the stamps on the early ones. They are in fact 1:7.
Link Posted: 8/19/2008 2:18:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/19/2008 2:34:20 AM EST by Baldmonk]
Mine (An Early one) has 1-8 stamped near the barrel extension. By the jag and ruler method of measuring it's actually 1/7.4. So it's really 1/7 for all practical purposes.

Oh on liking the Operator barrels. It's the most accurate CL I've ever shot. It loves 77 SMK's loaded to 2.25 COAL with N540 powder. But, I don't use it as a precision rig. I abuse the crap out of it.
Link Posted: 8/19/2008 4:36:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By urbankaos04:

Originally Posted By jmart:

Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
By the way, did any of you guys notice your uppers being marked CLE 1-8?  Mine is marked as such.  This marking is found on the top part of the barrel, about three inches from the receiver.  Any ideas?


Compass Lake Engineering, 1 in 8" twist.

What do I win?


Okay, but the barrel is supposed to be 1x7, as noted by the DG 1:7 556MM CMP marking on the barrel just in front of the FSB.


I guess that means I don't win jack......
Link Posted: 8/19/2008 9:28:18 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/19/2008 9:29:52 AM EST by urbankaos04]

Originally Posted By splitbolt:
If I recall correctly, CLE boogered up some of the stamps on the early ones. They are in fact 1:7.


Ah, that explains it, but I believe mine is a 2nd GEN barrel, with the the barrel steps toward the muzzle in order to be accomodate the Vortex GS and OPS Inc collar thing-a-ma-jig (I think).  
Link Posted: 8/19/2008 12:54:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By urbankaos04:

Originally Posted By splitbolt:
If I recall correctly, CLE boogered up some of the stamps on the early ones. They are in fact 1:7.


Ah, that explains it, but I believe mine is a 2nd GEN barrel, with the the barrel steps toward the muzzle in order to be accomodate the Vortex GS and OPS Inc collar thing-a-ma-jig (I think).  

Mine too...never noticed until now.
Link Posted: 8/19/2008 9:40:58 PM EST
Leave it to me to find such things!
Link Posted: 8/20/2008 2:10:35 AM EST
Mine is 1st generation prior to the step and the barrel marking in front of the FSB is something like CMP DG 1H1H9 (I think that how it goes, I'm at work) which is some weird Denny code.  

Link Posted: 8/20/2008 6:30:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/26/2009 7:31:30 AM EST by drmgallen]
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Link Posted: 8/20/2008 12:34:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By drmgallen:
I just got my Operator upper (lopro, LaRue 13.2 rail) yesterday (Tues).  I ordered it Friday morning.  The barrel is marked DG 556MM CMP

Besides a first round hiccup (new gun)...it shot flawlessly for over 400 rounds.  A mix of Prvi, Silver Bear, Brown Bear, and my reloads.

I will see how accurate she is on this week end.


Congrats on your Operator purchase.  If you have any, please shoot the heavier rounds.  It appears that the Operator prefers the heavier rounds over 55gr-69gr commercial fodder.  

The only issues I've had were mag related.  I really need to have an extended range session in order to get the gun hot and dirty and see what she'll do.  Plus, an accuracy session is also needed.  
Link Posted: 8/20/2008 12:39:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By Baldmonk:
Mine is 1st generation prior to the step and the barrel marking in front of the FSB is something like CMP DG 1H1H9 (I think that how it goes, I'm at work) which is some weird Denny code.  


The 1H1H9 is the cage code of Compass Lake Engineering/ Frank White which was the company that contoured and chambered Denny's Operator barrels.

CMP means Chromed lining and Magnetic Particle inspection, DG means Denny's Guns.

My gen 1 Operator barrel markings are just 1-7 CMP DG, they forgot to put the 5.56 NATO chamber marking.


To the OP,

My Operator runs great without a single FTF usually less than 1.5" grouping with my surplus Canadian SS109 ammo, about only 600+ rounds total so far.

I'm confident that it would do much better with heavier rounds and most threads here I've seen them in the one to half MOA accuracy range with hand loads, next time I'm going to use 75 to 77 gr loads with my 12X optic.

I installed my Operator barrel on my Colt 6721 myself with LaRue 9.0 FF rails, TD VFG, Colt M16 BCG with Crane O-ring, MIAD grip, Vltor buffer tube with standard carbine buffer, Vltor EMOD buttstock, and Troy BUIS.

All you guys with the Operator builds you could post your pics on Denny's pic thread here:


Denny's GUNS/ GLOBAL TACTICAL PICTURE THREAD Part 2 - thread link
Link Posted: 8/20/2008 5:24:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/20/2008 5:32:34 PM EST by Baldmonk]

Originally Posted By Alpha-Romeo3:

Originally Posted By Baldmonk:
Mine is 1st generation prior to the step and the barrel marking in front of the FSB is something like CMP DG 1H1H9 (I think that how it goes, I'm at work) which is some weird Denny code.  


The 1H1H9 is the cage code of Compass Lake Engineering/ Frank White which was the company that contoured and chambered Denny's Operator barrels.

CMP means Chromed lining and Magnetic Particle inspection, DG means Denny's Guns.

My gen 1 Operator barrel markings are just 1-7 CMP DG, they forgot to put the 5.56 NATO chamber marking.


To the OP,

My Operator runs great without a single FTF usually less than 1.5" grouping with my surplus Canadian SS109 ammo, about only 600+ rounds total so far.

I'm confident that it would do much better with heavier rounds and most threads here I've seen them in the one to half MOA accuracy range with hand loads, next time I'm going to use 75 to 77 gr loads with my 12X optic.

I installed my Operator barrel on my Colt 6721 myself with LaRue 9.0 FF rails, TD VFG, Colt M16 BCG with Crane O-ring, MIAD grip, Vltor buffer tube with standard carbine buffer, Vltor EMOD buttstock, and Troy BUIS.

All you guys with the Operator builds you could post your pics on Denny's pic thread here:


Denny's GUNS/ GLOBAL TACTICAL PICTURE THREAD Part 2 - thread link


Damn that's a low round count......for a 1st Gen. I'm over 6K. I'm also Technological dinosaur (old dude) and don't even own a digital camera. I still wish they made polaroids with the square bulbs, that the picture came right out. So, until one of my daughters sees fit to getting me a digital camera and teach me to use it there will be no Pics.
Link Posted: 8/20/2008 6:04:10 PM EST
Seems like the N4 barrels shoot a bit better; however, I know total accuracy was not main focus of the Operator line of barrels.
Link Posted: 8/20/2008 7:40:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/26/2009 7:32:17 AM EST by drmgallen]
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Link Posted: 8/20/2008 8:16:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/20/2008 8:16:37 PM EST by urbankaos04]
Main focus of the Operator barrel is that of a hard use, robust, full-auto capable barrel.
Link Posted: 8/20/2008 8:29:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/3/2009 8:08:15 PM EST by drmgallen]
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Link Posted: 8/21/2008 10:22:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By drmgallen:

Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
Main focus of the Operator barrel is that of a hard use, robust, full-auto capable barrel.


Exactly what I was looking for in this barrel...sans full auto...

A non scientific observation...it seems that the operator barrel is cooler for the same round count as the 16" N4....

Thanks...


I would expect as much, as the Operator barrel is a little beefier than the N4.  My Operator takes longer to "heat up" in comparison to my buddy's M4 Sabre Defence rifle.  Plus, my Operator runs a bit "smoother."

I'm VERY interested in seeing your results between the N4 and Operator.  I know that the N4 will edge out the Operator in complete accuracy, but I'm just curious to see the results.  Thanks.  
Link Posted: 8/21/2008 8:51:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/26/2009 7:32:58 AM EST by drmgallen]
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Link Posted: 8/21/2008 10:14:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/21/2008 10:17:32 PM EST by urbankaos04]
WTF?  That's weird.  I was for sure expecting the N4 groups to be tighter! But, that is certainly good for us Operator owners.  Can't believe it.

Hey, what's up with those two rounds left of the Operator upper group?
Link Posted: 8/22/2008 5:05:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/26/2009 7:33:23 AM EST by drmgallen]
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Link Posted: 8/22/2008 3:32:25 PM EST
I  don't think 5k would degrade accuracy too much, right?  But, I see what your saying.
Link Posted: 8/22/2008 3:42:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2008 5:18:15 AM EST by jmart]

Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
I  don't think 5k would degrade accuracy too much, right?  


For a double-chromed barrel who advertises a life of many tens of thousands of rounds, it's barely broken in.
Link Posted: 8/22/2008 7:19:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
I  don't think 5k would degrade accuracy too much, right?  But, I see what your saying.


I agree...will check it out this week end...same trigger, same scope and same ammo...and add chrono data...still, both are nice barrels...
Link Posted: 8/23/2008 7:28:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By drmgallen:

Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
I  don't think 5k would degrade accuracy too much, right?  But, I see what your saying.


I agree...will check it out this week end...same trigger, same scope and same ammo...and add chrono data...still, both are nice barrels...


Sounds like a plan to me.  Looking forward to the results.
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 5:43:31 AM EST
Bumping the thread to see what the results were, if any.
Link Posted: 1/28/2009 9:36:20 AM EST
REVIVE!

I am trying to decide on a 12.5" tube now, and it's narrowed down to the Noveske (if they can be found) and the Operator. Has anyone chrono'ed their Operator? It seems like the Noveske poly barrels offer noticeably faster FPS for any given barrel length, but wanted to see what you guys are seeing.
Link Posted: 6/25/2009 11:19:06 PM EST
Any other OPERATOR updates, observations, thoughts, etc?  Sorry for waking up the dead!
Link Posted: 6/26/2009 9:29:07 AM EST
Originally Posted By chiz45:
REVIVE!

I am trying to decide on a 12.5" tube now, and it's narrowed down to the Noveske (if they can be found) and the Operator. Has anyone chrono'ed their Operator? It seems like the Noveske poly barrels offer noticeably faster FPS for any given barrel length, but wanted to see what you guys are seeing.



Probably the tighter chamber on the Noveske
Link Posted: 6/26/2009 1:03:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By chiz45:
REVIVE!

I am trying to decide on a 12.5" tube now, and it's narrowed down to the Noveske (if they can be found) and the Operator. Has anyone chrono'ed their Operator? It seems like the Noveske poly barrels offer noticeably faster FPS for any given barrel length, but wanted to see what you guys are seeing.


Wrong.


Link Posted: 6/26/2009 1:06:10 PM EST
Originally Posted By drmgallen:
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What's up with all that?

Link Posted: 6/26/2009 4:31:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/26/2009 4:32:33 PM EST by urbankaos04]
I think those posts were showing his Operator outperforming a Noveske rifle, IIRC.  Was it true?  I don't know, but it would be nice for us Operator owners.
Link Posted: 6/27/2009 12:02:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
I think those posts were showing his Operator outperforming a Noveske rifle, IIRC.  Was it true?  I don't know, but it would be nice for us Operator owners.


You are right...some how my posts got deleted...

My N4 now has almost 14k rounds through her...I am trying to wear her out before I work on the Operator...:-)

Pics...at 5k rounds...


Link Posted: 6/27/2009 12:49:52 PM EST
What load are you shooting there again?
Link Posted: 6/27/2009 1:56:09 PM EST
Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
What load are you shooting there again?


75 gr Horn OTMs pushed by AA2520.

They run at 2790 fps thru a 20" SS barrel...

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