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I see you've come a ways since that Colt FBI HRT barrel...... |
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Very informative. You can see more pics of L119A1 ITW here: http://firearmsworld.net/usa/m16/diemaco/sfw.htm
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Great work so far!
The two photographs of the carbines on the floor are not of captured rifles... that must have been tacked on over the years, hahaha. The original photographs were posted here by an ARFCOM member, the 2008 date sounds about right. IIRC he was an Air Force guy who got a chance to take photographs of coalition partner weapons--you can see his ABUs and pea-soup green boots peeking out in the photographs, hahaha. ~Augee |
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related...is there NO way to get Colt Canada stuff in the US???
ETA: this is what I was looking at: Colt MRR |
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@Augee - Thank you for the clarification, the US pattern pants always had me wondering on that, hence my skeptic comment on the source. Although there was a point where some guys got captured, it was back in 2003. It also adds more fuel to the fire which is my suspicion that the rifles are SBS and not SAS, specifically because the uppers are engraved with the serial, which seems to be unique to the SBS based on real world pictures and feedback from armourers.
@lancecriminal86 - At this point in time, a clone of a Canada rifle isn't on the cards. I'm doing the UK Rifle because I served in the British Army and it's kinda cool to merge my love of AR's and my prior history. The work its taken to get some of the correct parts has been almost acts of God, I don't want to have to try and get even more parts that require serious calling in of favors! The bottom rifle you linked is one of the more 'famous' C8 IUR rifles and it too has an engraved upper. There are some nice high quality pictures around. @jondelong - There are ways I'm sure, but 99% of my stuff came from Gunbroker, Armslist and trawling old for sale posts after complex Google searches. I now have a huge collection of extra stuff, I might be the reigning king of LSO grips and Colt Canada buttstocks right now As I understand it, things that are not significant military equipment and have a value under $100 are ITAR exempt. So I guess you could bring in endplates, castle nuts and things of that nature but I'm not a lawyer and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night. There is also an export/import license between Canada and the US specifically for people relocating to the US, allowing them to bring in their Canadian rifles. This appears to be the way that most people have brought stuff in in the past, but again I'm not sure how correct it is as there is a Canadian and US agreement that is supposed to stop cross border moving of Colt parts. I guess to protect jobs in both countries. There is a also method if the guns are being brought in for R&D or repair, so a Colt employee here could bring in Colt Canada parts. Or in the case of the IUR, an LMT employee could do that also as LMT actually own the patent that the IUR uses for its monolithic rail upper. Finally, back in the 90's, Colt themselves brought in a bunch of Diemaco forgings to complete here in the US, so they were machined to US spec, marked with M4 and anodized here (they are a dark black finish instead of the usual Colt grey). However they command a huge premium, I paid $600 for a stripped Diemaco upper a while back on Armslist. @MILSPEC556 - That Colt FBI barrel is an amazing barrel. I guess due to it's profile it has zero whip and in the few rounds I've put through it (under 20) it was printing cloverleaf groups at 100yds. It actually found it's way into a friends clone L119A1 build so when finished his gun will have one more real Colt part than mine! |
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What's the deal with them placing optics on their handguards? View Quote *edit* the one picture shows him with the optic on a KAC RAS... I dont know if I would trust that for mounting an optic personally, even though I do have my PEQ on it and its just fine as far as accuaracy using the laser under NODs... but that's generally cqc distance shooting. |
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Fascinating! I’m OCD about a lot of things but haven’t ventured into this realm yet. I’m particularly interested in the custom lower engraving to match the real thing. Looking forward to hearing a little more about how you acquired the various parts for this project. Thanks for sharing!
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In on page one. OP is a good dude and has been helping me with my best efforts to work on a clone L119a1 cqb.... it is still a work in progress to say the least. It has a long way to go before it is even close to saying its a clone, as she sits for now.
10.3" DD barrel (not correct), KAC RAS, usmc Acog (not correct) with shield and reddot, surefire scout m600, car15 stock with rubber but pad, tango down vert grip, atpial c, yhm 556 can (not correct), LSO grip. Needs a lot of improvement but it will get there eventually. Thanks to the OP. A 10.3" barrel for this clone is like having a 10.5" for the Mk18 Mod 0/1 |
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In on page one. OP is a good dude and has been helping me with my best efforts to work on a clone L119a1 cqb.... it is still a work in progress to say the least. It has a long way to go before it is even close to saying its a clone, as she sits for now. 10.3" DD barrel (not correct), KAC RAS, usmc Acog (not correct), surefire scout m600, car15 stock with rubber but pad, tango down vert grip, atpial c, yhm 556 can (not correct), LSO grip. Needs a lot of improvement but it will get there eventually. Thanks to the OP. the 10.3" barrel for this model is like a 10.5" for the Mk18 http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a483/DwayneHicks100/IMG_5612_zpshl3hapiq.png View Quote |
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Still looks awesome. The tape over the fiber optic tube even kind of makes it look like a TA01NSN. View Quote To do list: 1) old school surefire 5.56 can; 2) chop the barrel to a true 10.0" 3) NSN ta01 acog in original mount; 4) surefire pressure switch; 5) anything Diemaco.... |
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Silencer Shop had a few SF FA556-212's that they "found" in their warehouse a month or two ago and sold them for like $500. Would be nice to see those end up in the hands of a cloner. I wish I had seen the alert in time because I would have snagged one.
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Silencer Shop had a few SF FA556-212's that they "found" in their warehouse a month or two ago and sold them for like $500. Would be nice to see those end up in the hands of a cloner. I wish I had seen the alert in time because I would have snagged one. View Quote Because of the 15.7" barrel L119A1 that has the Simon sleeve, Surefire made a specific suppressor for use with Simon sleeves. It is the FA556-SA. It uses the FH556-216A flash hider. It is basically the FA556-212 suppressor in terms of the internal baffle design, although I am told the SA has a slightly smaller bore than the 212 so may be quieter. I have this suppressor awaiting transfer to me on a Form 3. I'll try and draw up a chart the same as the Mk18 page has for the right parts. |
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They're on to the L119A2 now http://u0v052dm9wl3gxo0y3lx0u44wz.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/L119A2-C8-SFW.jpg View Quote |
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In for updates....great job OP...please post detailed photos for us clone nerds as you move forward!
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Yup, however not actually issued on the L119A2. I'll create a separate thread for that rifle, I have one here. Some super interesting things were done with the upper. View Quote |
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In on page one. OP is a good dude and has been helping me with my best efforts to work on a clone L119a1 cqb.... it is still a work in progress to say the least. It has a long way to go before it is even close to saying its a clone, as she sits for now. 10.3" DD barrel (not correct), KAC RAS, usmc Acog (not correct) with shield and reddot, surefire scout m600, car15 stock with rubber but pad, tango down vert grip, atpial c, yhm 556 can (not correct), LSO grip. Needs a lot of improvement but it will get there eventually. Thanks to the OP. A 10.3" barrel for this clone is like having a 10.5" for the Mk18 Mod 0/1 http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a483/DwayneHicks100/IMG_5441_zpsa5cbhgxa.jpg http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a483/DwayneHicks100/IMG_5612_zpshl3hapiq.png View Quote |
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While you're at it, here's another version you could do. I bet Ron @ Allen Engineering could get you all set up with an AEM 3 or 4 with knurling and everything and the right collar setup for a 10" L119 barrel. And the Vortex FH with OPS Inc threading are out there as well. https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/arctic.jpg https://warriorpublications.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/cf-op-nanook-2.jpg And then get back to me when you figure out how to replicate a C8 IUR upper, since it's apparently caught up in that whole "no sales or exportation of Colt Canada stuff to USA" thing. Currently it seems like the 9.2" YHM rail is the closest visual match, and I don't think any of the monolithic type uppers on the market could be milled or modified to match it as none use the standard M4 flat top upper, they're all billet with weirdo forward assist shapes and brass deflectors. https://i.pinimg.com/736x/fe/e9/fb/fee9fb0685fb1f9f62564d032566b4c3--police-gear-toyota.jpg http://i.imgur.com/VA5ITte.jpg https://78.media.tumblr.com/1b3b5da8aeafc3359a1bbb40934c3db4/tumblr_ncu9xvj6WD1rhrguuo2_1280.jpg View Quote |
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Ok. That’s a dope gun. On a side note, love how he is holding the VFG. The correct way! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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While you're at it, here's another version you could do. I bet Ron @ Allen Engineering could get you all set up with an AEM 3 or 4 with knurling and everything and the right collar setup for a 10" L119 barrel. And the Vortex FH with OPS Inc threading are out there as well. https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/arctic.jpg https://warriorpublications.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/cf-op-nanook-2.jpg And then get back to me when you figure out how to replicate a C8 IUR upper, since it's apparently caught up in that whole "no sales or exportation of Colt Canada stuff to USA" thing. Currently it seems like the 9.2" YHM rail is the closest visual match, and I don't think any of the monolithic type uppers on the market could be milled or modified to match it as none use the standard M4 flat top upper, they're all billet with weirdo forward assist shapes and brass deflectors. https://i.pinimg.com/736x/fe/e9/fb/fee9fb0685fb1f9f62564d032566b4c3--police-gear-toyota.jpg http://i.imgur.com/VA5ITte.jpg https://78.media.tumblr.com/1b3b5da8aeafc3359a1bbb40934c3db4/tumblr_ncu9xvj6WD1rhrguuo2_1280.jpg |
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I really wish the Colt Canada rifles were easier to get. I have a BCM C8 SFW upper and that kind of triggered my desire to get some more. Both versions of the L119A2 are tits. |
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75% of me wants to do this. 25% of me is irritated by the possibility of sending a 10.3 or 10.5 inch barrel off to get a tiny amount of barrel cut off.
Of course, it'll be on a horribly non-clone correct Crusader lower. ETA: I haven't seen any pics of anybody with anything other than an ACOG too. Any pics? I really want that ACOG with the RMR, but optics that cost more than the gun is a new experience for me. |
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related...is there NO way to get Colt Canada stuff in the US??? ETA: this is what I was looking at: Colt MRR View Quote You don't even need an importer to help you.. You just need to submit an ATF form 6 (import permit).. Just need someone in Canada to ship it. I assume you would need an export license, so I assume you would need an exporter that can get an export licence. |
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Very interesting thread. I love all the minute details such as the R not being centered. I’ve been using C7s and C8s for over thwenty years and never noticed that. I’m sure it will stick out the next time I draw my weapon.
C8CQB clone would be interesting as well but I don’t believe the CF used them very long. |
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for the nods. dude probably prefers being super compact, he looks to be some version of vbss View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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What's the deal with them placing optics on their handguards? dude probably prefers being super compact, he looks to be some version of vbss As for uppers they used to use Waltec for most of the carry handle uppers. Strange that they seem to sourcing the flat top forging from the US. |
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Nods as in NV? I thought 2 piece drop in rails weren't adequate for holding a zero? Or even freefloat for that matter View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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This is an absolutely exciting thread! This has been helpful for me in my quest to build both a C8-SFW (FTHB/A3?) and a C8-CQB! I'm kind of jealous of Augee because his Colt Canada sling mount doesn't appear to be previously staked. Colt Canada doesn't manufacture spare parts, so you'll have to find a take-off (good luck). The one I have was previously staked in two places (obviously Mil-Spec requirements), but was carefully removed.
Are there any specs on the Diemaco SAS upper you have? I have both Anchor Harvey and Cerro Forge Diemaco uppers imported by Colt, and I plan on giving the uppers a chamfer (hopefully most of the chamfer will erode most of the "M4" marking), engrave "1913," rear scallop, and a 14th slot to make it similar to the Canadian spec uppers. |
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Well well well, wonders never cease!
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/737359001 Thats alotta cash!! But if you REALLLLY wanted a clone correct as all get out upper... well, there ya go, bubba! |
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