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I assume GI barrel assemblies will include A2-style flash hiders; is this correct? What model are the flash hiders on the barrels in your pictures? Are they the same model? The SOCOM's FH seems to have straight tines, while the M4's tines go counterclockwise. |
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Great work, Molon. I assume GI barrel assemblies will include A2-style flash hiders; is this correct? What model are the flash hiders on the barrels in your pictures? Are they the same model? The SOCOM's FH seems to have straight tines, while the M4's tines go counterclockwise. You're correct. My two barrels have permanently attached Vortex flash hiders to bring them to the legal length. No SBRs allowed for the unwashed masses in my state. ![]() |
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Great work, Molon. I assume GI barrel assemblies will include A2-style flash hiders; is this correct? What model are the flash hiders on the barrels in your pictures? Are they the same model? The SOCOM's FH seems to have straight tines, while the M4's tines go counterclockwise. You're correct. My two barrels have permanently attached Vortex flash hiders to bring them to the legal length. No SBRs allowed for the unwashed masses in my state. ![]() One of those Vortex's is a Dan Young and the other is a Smith Enterprise? |
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Great work, Molon. I assume GI barrel assemblies will include A2-style flash hiders; is this correct? What model are the flash hiders on the barrels in your pictures? Are they the same model? The SOCOM's FH seems to have straight tines, while the M4's tines go counterclockwise. You're correct. My two barrels have permanently attached Vortex flash hiders to bring them to the legal length. No SBRs allowed for the unwashed masses in my state. ![]() One of those Vortex's is a Dan Young and the other is a Smith Enterprise? Bingo! |
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Just curious, where dd you get the upper and who welded the Vortex? T |
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People looking to buy a SOCOM barrel need to be alert to the length. There were alot of them sold last year that the factory threads had been cut off, shortening the barrel 5/8" to 3/4", and then new threads cut. They had the step directly behind the threads recut but maybe some didn't. They were reparked and often sold as new or new take-offs. They may shoot fine but there is no reason to pay a premium for a cut down mis-represented barrel.
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Excellent illustrative write-up Molon! Of course, I already knew it all.
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Stripped down, they look like this: http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m239/rgrhartley/NewBuild07.jpg http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m239/rgrhartley/NewBuild04.jpg Would you mind weighing the stripped barrel and posting your results? |
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Stripped down, they look like this: http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m239/rgrhartley/NewBuild07.jpg http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m239/rgrhartley/NewBuild04.jpg Would you mind weighing the stripped barrel and posting your results? My apologies, Molon - that barrel was only in that state for about a week, and I didn't get a weight on it. It's completely built now, with a pinned Phantom on it. Sorry, man... ![]() |
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Thanks for posting this article, and great work on the pictures. I got tired of looking at all that barrel sticking out on my Colt 6721 so I sent it to ADCO for a chop job - from 17.5" (w/FH) to 16.10" w/FH pinned. At the same time I have a middie/med-con upper being made at CMMG for another carbine. Having the Colt HBAR now with a more 'correct' barrel length, I doubt if I will build another carbine, but the SOCOM barrel sure looks good. I guess the 'medium-contour' CMMG barels are about the closest to it, at least under the guards - except for the mounting cuts, of course.
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Great work, Molon. I assume GI barrel assemblies will include A2-style flash hiders; is this correct? What model are the flash hiders on the barrels in your pictures? Are they the same model? The SOCOM's FH seems to have straight tines, while the M4's tines go counterclockwise. You're correct. My two barrels have permanently attached Vortex flash hiders to bring them to the legal length. No SBRs allowed for the unwashed masses in my state. ![]() One of those Vortex's is a Dan Young and the other is a Smith Enterprise? I've never seen that Young flash hider. How does it compare to the Smith Vortex? Sorry to go off topic. |
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I am a big SOCOM fan and would love to see these pics, but I am getting nothing. I am not even getting any red X's
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My M4 Match Target has all of that except for the Medium Profiled barrel.-
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I am a big SOCOM fan and would love to see these pics, but I am getting nothing. I am not even getting any red X's ![]() Thanks! They're all showing up on my screen. Try hitting your refresh button. |
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This is VERY weird. I cannot get them to show up no matter what I do. It's like they were never even posted, just text. ??
ETA: I can see everyone's pics except Molon's. Never had this happen before. |
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The FH isn't a straight A2 model. There is a notch (@6 o'clock if I remember correctly) for mounting the issued suppressor. Special Forces Groups are issued the SOCOM barrels but only at ODA level. HHC's and Group Support Battalion have the standard M4A1.
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A far as I know Colt and CMMG both stopped making this barrel. I think Socom stopped asking for it and decided to use a standard M4 barrel to save weight.
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This is VERY weird. I cannot get them to show up no matter what I do. It's like they were never even posted, just text. ?? ETA: I can see everyone's pics except Molon's. Never had this happen before. Do you see other people's Photobucket pictures? Could your ISP be blocking Photobucket? |
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This is VERY weird. I cannot get them to show up no matter what I do. It's like they were never even posted, just text. ?? ETA: I can see everyone's pics except Molon's. Never had this happen before. Do you see other people's Photobucket pictures? Could your ISP be blocking Photobucket? I see everyone else's pictures, just not Molon's. |
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The FH isn't a straight A2 model. There is a notch (@6 o'clock if I remember correctly) for mounting the issued suppressor. CD It sounds like you are referring to the Knight's M4QD mount which is associated with the QDSS-NT4 suppressor. Cheers |
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Great work, Molon. I assume GI barrel assemblies will include A2-style flash hiders; is this correct? What model are the flash hiders on the barrels in your pictures? Are they the same model? The SOCOM's FH seems to have straight tines, while the M4's tines go counterclockwise. You're correct. My two barrels have permanently attached Vortex flash hiders to bring them to the legal length. No SBRs allowed for the unwashed masses in my state. ![]() One of those Vortex's is a Dan Young and the other is a Smith Enterprise? I've never seen that Young flash hider. How does it compare to the Smith Vortex? Sorry to go off topic. I haven't done any formal testing comparing the two. |
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Good write up and excellent quality pics. It is nice to read posts, written by someone who can write well. I will post a pic just for giggles. FYI, in reference to Colt M203's, they are not all the same. I found this out the hard way when I had to assemble a bunch of them on M4A1s that were meant for fixed carry handle systems. It took a lot of sweat, cussing and some slight mods to get them right. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/iraq020.jpg Slight mods? Can you elaborate? ![]() |
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A far as I know Colt and CMMG both stopped making this barrel. I think Socom stopped asking for it and decided to use a standard M4 barrel to save weight. There is a recent article about the Army probably going to the SOCOM barrel for all M4s. |
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A far as I know Colt and CMMG both stopped making this barrel. I think Socom stopped asking for it and decided to use a standard M4 barrel to save weight. There is a recent article about the Army probably going to the SOCOM barrel for all M4s. wow... thx for posting that |
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Can we get a barrel diameter measurement of the two barrels just aft (to the barrel nut side) of the rectangular SOCOM cut? Thanks. http://www.box.net/shared/static/7c6rn7lhez.jpg The SOCOM barrel has a diameter of approximately 0.850" at that point. I don't currently have a standard M4 barrel on hand, so maybe someone else can provide the comparative measurement. |
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M4A1 + SOCOM = SAW !! Well just about anyway. Got two of these beasties on a pair of M4's and one M4 with the std. Govt. bbl. The weight
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A far as I know Colt and CMMG both stopped making this barrel. I think Socom stopped asking for it and decided to use a standard M4 barrel to save weight. I've not heard any indication that Colt has stopped production of 921HB barrel, if anything they seem poised to ramp up production pursuant to the possibility of going to a MEDCON barrel for all RO920 and RO921s (USGI M4 and M4A1 Carbines). Also, there's a rumor out that BCM is going to be producing M4A1 profile barrels in the near future as well which could make high quality barrels available for more reasonable prices than the somewhat relatively rarer Colt barrels. ~Augee |
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A far as I know Colt and CMMG both stopped making this barrel. I think Socom stopped asking for it and decided to use a standard M4 barrel to save weight. I've not heard any indication that Colt has stopped production of 921HB barrel . . . This is the Internet. If someone posted it, it must be true. ![]() |
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This kinda makes you wonder a bit...IF the SOCOM med. weight barrel makes a big difference on the M4A1 with full auto, then what would be the
result of using a 6721LE barrel on the same weapon?? Now that would raise the weight a bit, but you'd never have to worry about frying the barrel. The 1/9 twist would also be slightly beneficial in F/A, as it would generate a bit less heat. It will, of course never happen, but just a thought. |
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Has molon tested a standard m4 barrel with the same rounds? I have suspected these barrels are not worth it for semi auto
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I have a CMMG socom its great but my Colt socom seems to be a bit thicker dimensionally than the CMMG.BCM alreDY HAS THE SOCOM AVAILABLE FOR $259 BUT YOU HAVE TO SEND TO adco TO HAVE AN fsb INSTALLED..sorry for the caps..wich still makes it a $400 barrel..ive seen and got my Colt socom brand new never mounted for $375 on the EE.Nothing against BCM I have one of their barrels but if I casn get an original Colt for the same money or just a bit less ill go that route.
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Has molon tested a standard m4 barrel with the same rounds? I have suspected these barrels are not worth it for semi auto I dont see the point of them unless your putting out alot of full auto fire. |
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I'm not particularly a fan of the two piece design free-float railed handguards. However, I have to say that the Daniel Defense Omega Rail is a very nice option for those who choose to go that route. My M4 SOCOM upper will be wearing one during its accuracy evaluation. http://www.box.net/shared/static/pc5x4tu58z.jpg Is that a QRP mount for the Aimpoint? If so did you use the spacer? With the spacer will it give center cowitt? |
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This kinda makes you wonder a bit...IF the SOCOM med. weight barrel makes a big difference on the M4A1 with full auto, then what would be the result of using a 6721LE barrel on the same weapon?? Now that would raise the weight a bit, but you'd never have to worry about frying the barrel. The 1/9 twist would also be slightly beneficial in F/A, as it would generate a bit less heat. It will, of course never happen, but just a thought. What I wonder? With doing several mag dumps wont the GAS TUBE Fail before the Socom barrel or even the M4 barrel When I saw the COLT video on the reg. M4. I would of liked to seen the gas tube? I bet it was cooked just like the M4 barrel |
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Has molon tested a standard m4 barrel with the same rounds? I have suspected these barrels are not worth it for semi auto[/quo I cant see any Big advantage for a civi or LEO even in Full auto |
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Accuracy evaluation added to first post. Oh boy, another old topic from the past!! ![]() |
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Accuracy evaluation added to first post. Oh boy, another old topic from the past!! ![]() Thanks for adding to this discussion. ![]() |
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The advantage is heavy barrels take the heat better..id rather have the heavier more heat resistant barrel that will boost rate of fire because heat is handles better.There very relevant for semi auto use especially if sustained fire was needed..what if the weapon was ever needed to fight with and had to be used that way I would rather have the uneeded all the time advantage for 6 ounces more than regular M4 profile than need it and it not be there.Weight increase is slightly noticed and it balances better.Ill bet you would see HBARs in use it wasnt that the M203 in american use was attached to the barrel.If we used a QD m203 that ran off the rail system you would see un M4 notched medium weight barrels id bet on the M4.
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