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Posted: 4/26/2009 1:02:05 PM EST
Hey Guys,

Canadian AR-15

I'm trying to find out some info about this gun for a guy I know.  Here goes:
-It came from a police department deal.
-It has E2 sights
-Model AR15A2/6520 or at least they think so
-Stamped Colt Defense Made in Canada
-It also have Government stamped on it.
-It's semi-auto.
-Low sn# 000xxxx

Do you guys think this is rare?  Asking price is $1500.  Should this guy buy it?  Anyone know what it is worth?
He said the dealer seemed really impressed it came from Canada.

Thanks guys!
Link Posted: 4/26/2009 1:07:35 PM EST
Pretty common, some Colts are being made in Canada now that Colt owns Dimacio. Not worth any more then a US made one is. Of COURSE the dealer thinks so, just as he would say the opposite if he had a Hartford/Colt Defense one instead.
Link Posted: 4/26/2009 1:11:52 PM EST
Colt made some rifles for Canada, then liscensed production through the Canadian company, Diemaco.

I don't know that Canadian rifles were ever approved for export from Canada or import from Canad to the U.S.  Maybe someone else will have tha answer on the legality of the Canadian rifles here.

It would not be common to find one in the U.S. but the legality would be my only concern of a gun possibly illegaly obtained or brought into the country.
Link Posted: 4/26/2009 1:23:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/26/2009 1:43:42 PM EST by Gamma762]
Originally Posted By SSN_Doc:
Colt made some rifles for Canada, then liscensed production through the Canadian company, Diemaco.

I don't know that Canadian rifles were ever approved for export from Canada or import from Canad to the U.S.  Maybe someone else will have tha answer on the legality of the Canadian rifles here.

It would not be common to find one in the U.S. but the legality would be my only concern of a gun possibly illegaly obtained or brought into the country.

This isn't correct.  They are not Canadian rifles, they are Canadian made parts.

Diemaco is now owned by Colt as Colt Canada.  Colt uses Diemaco/Colt Canada parts as needed it seems in production of their US civilian market rifles, SWAG would be to free up US manufactured parts for the .mil/.gov rifles which require them.

Diemaco/Colt Canada parts are good quality and not substandard in any way, nor are they particularly rare as a large number of Colt LE rifles seem to have some portion of Canadian made parts.  Various folks have reported D/CC receivers both upper and lower, bolt carriers and bolts, and buffer tubes AFAIK.  Safe bet that some other small parts, especially those not on the 922R compliance list, may well be Canadian made also just no way to identify them as such.  One exception is barrels, due to the stupid "barrel ban" the excellent Canadian hammer forged barrels aren't importable.
Link Posted: 4/26/2009 1:25:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/26/2009 1:28:46 PM EST by FiveStar]
Thanks guys!
Link Posted: 4/26/2009 1:58:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/26/2009 2:05:56 PM EST by Luckystiff]
My department has three Canadian made semi only M4's. Everything on the gun looks like it was made in Canida by Diemaco (lower, upper, BCG, bolt and barrel). The plastic stock, M4 hand guards and removabel carry handle all look and feel just like out other Colt guns. The pistol grip feels different and looks just a little bit different. The color of the upper and lower is more gray than current Colt guns. When you put one next to a US made gun you car seen the differnence. So far they have been great guns.






All of ours has the same light stamping on the barrles and no date of birth.


This is how we issue them out.
Link Posted: 4/26/2009 4:19:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/26/2009 4:19:44 PM EST by FiveStar]
Yep that is it!  Wow thank you for the pictures!!!
Do you think $1500 is fair or too high?
Link Posted: 4/26/2009 5:09:10 PM EST
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By SSN_Doc:
Colt made some rifles for Canada, then liscensed production through the Canadian company, Diemaco.

I don't know that Canadian rifles were ever approved for export from Canada or import from Canad to the U.S.  Maybe someone else will have tha answer on the legality of the Canadian rifles here.

It would not be common to find one in the U.S. but the legality would be my only concern of a gun possibly illegaly obtained or brought into the country.

This isn't correct.  They are not Canadian rifles, they are Canadian made parts.

Diemaco is now owned by Colt as Colt Canada.  Colt uses Diemaco/Colt Canada parts as needed it seems in production of their US civilian market rifles, SWAG would be to free up US manufactured parts for the .mil/.gov rifles which require them.

Diemaco/Colt Canada parts are good quality and not substandard in any way, nor are they particularly rare as a large number of Colt LE rifles seem to have some portion of Canadian made parts.  Various folks have reported D/CC receivers both upper and lower, bolt carriers and bolts, and buffer tubes AFAIK.  Safe bet that some other small parts, especially those not on the 922R compliance list, may well be Canadian made also just no way to identify them as such.  One exception is barrels, due to the stupid "barrel ban" the excellent Canadian hammer forged barrels aren't importable.



Thanks for straightening me out.  I knew someone would have better info.  
Link Posted: 4/26/2009 11:11:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By FiveStar:
Yep that is it!  Wow thank you for the pictures!!!
Do you think $1500 is fair or too high?


Box? Papers? Accessories?

NIB, that's a fair price, especially considering the markings.

A rifle that was issued, fired in qualifications, bounced around in a patrol car with the attendant wear, then it would be high, especially since the market appears to be cooling off.

Link Posted: 4/27/2009 2:07:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By stfram:
Originally Posted By FiveStar:
Yep that is it!  Wow thank you for the pictures!!!
Do you think $1500 is fair or too high?


Box? Papers? Accessories?

NIB, that's a fair price, especially considering the markings.

A rifle that was issued, fired in qualifications, bounced around in a patrol car with the attendant wear, then it would be high, especially since the market appears to be cooling off.


I agree, it's a little on the high side if it is a used A2 model.

Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:25:38 PM EST
IIRC, I remember Darren Mellors saying something about them using Diemaco cold hammer forging machines for their LWRC rifles, so if you want a Diemaco-spec barrel, LWRC may be an option. I might be wrong, but that's what I recall
Link Posted: 5/4/2009 8:10:43 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/4/2009 8:39:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By badazzar15:
Who has these instock?


We ordered ours strait from Colt. We ordered three 6921's and got the Canadian version.
Link Posted: 5/4/2009 9:51:20 AM EST
FWIW, a very reputable gunsmith in Alberta has been making lowers and is designing more AR stuff.

This is not my rifle BTW.


Link Posted: 5/4/2009 10:05:51 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/4/2009 10:07:27 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/4/2009 10:19:15 AM EST by Gamma762]
Originally Posted By Luckystiff:
My department has three Canadian made semi only M4's. Everything on the gun looks like it was made in Canida by Diemaco (lower, upper, BCG, bolt and barrel). The plastic stock, M4 hand guards and removabel carry handle all look and feel just like out other Colt guns. The pistol grip feels different and looks just a little bit different. The color of the upper and lower is more gray than current Colt guns. When you put one next to a US made gun you car seen the differnence. So far they have been great guns.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/548/Untitled_008.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/data/548/Untitled_012.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/data/548/medium/Untitled_011.jpg

All of ours has the same light stamping on the barrles and no date of birth.
http://www.hunt101.com/data/548/Untitled_009.jpg

This is how we issue them out.
http://www.hunt101.com/data/548/Untitled_013.jpg

Diemaco buffer tubes have no visible threads... AFAIK they are the only ones made like that.  Can't tell from your photos as you have the stock fully collapsed

Stock, grip, and handguards are 922r compliance parts so are likely US made.  I think the forge codes for the hammer and trigger are unique to Diemaco but I don't know what they are.

The barrel is curious indeed.  I wonder if they could get around the "barrel ban" by shipping 922r compliance parts to Canada, and then assembling the rifles including barrels there, then shipping complete rifles to the US?
Link Posted: 5/4/2009 10:08:59 AM EST
Originally Posted By KevinB:
FYI buying a Colt is not the only way to get a Diemaco/Colt Canada CHF barrel


What? KAC uses CHF machines from Diemaco?
Link Posted: 5/4/2009 10:37:03 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/4/2009 11:08:02 AM EST
Originally Posted By KevinB:
Not machines...  they do our barrel blanks.

  Colt Canada parts are considered made in the US, Canadian Mil or LE need to DSP-83 items from them, with approval from the Dept. of State ..



Cool! Does that include the SASS or just 5.56 barrels?
Link Posted: 5/4/2009 11:35:48 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/4/2009 12:10:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By KevinB:
Just 5.56mm CHF's –– our SS for 5.56mm are Kriger, and 7.62mm are Obermeyer


Do you sell barreled uppers or just complete rifles?
Link Posted: 5/4/2009 12:34:18 PM EST
So can we got those 16 inch swf(??) barrels with the funny bulged profile (the anti-m4 profile?)?
Link Posted: 5/4/2009 6:15:49 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/5/2009 5:21:35 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/22/2009 11:16:37 PM EST
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