I have a few questions about full auto rifles.
is there any possible way an american citizen can legally own one?
what if somebody calls the police on me for full auto fire, when all i am doing is bump firing?
and when and if they come too arrest me or whatever, what are they going to do?
what if my gun possesses that third hole thats filled in with a rivet? whats so bad about that? and if the whoever does come to inspect my stuff and finds that filled in hole what are they gonna do about it? and what about, if I acually did convert a rifle to full auto (would be awsome!) and got caught with it, what would they do to me?

Holy Christ dude, I can't IMAGINE the royal ass-fucking you would take if caught with a weapon that's full-auto.  As far as I know, because the ban on full-automatic weapons is a federal level law, you're talking a federal investigation and court procedings.

If you want to do it the LEGAL way...

You've gotta apply for a Class 3 Federal Firearms license, as all select fire (double, burst, or auto) weapons are of the "class 3" variety.

After the mountain of paperwork and fees, and a lengthy wait, you get your class 3, but you're not allowed to convert an existing weapon to class 3, as it's not listed as a class 3 weapon... basically, class 3 weapons have to come from the factory, to a class 3 dealer, to a class 3 license holder.  If you want to convert an AK, I believe you'd have to apply for some sort of gunsmithing license with class 3 categories.  I really don't know about that, so you'd have to do some homework.

Oh yeah, there's a $200 dollar federal tax per class 3 purchase, plus up to 300 bones in class 3 dealer fees, as you must pick up the weapon in person from a dealer in your state.  Oh yeah, your state can also add certain loops you must jump through in order to obtain a class 3.

Basically, you're better off waiting for the pisser at Oktoberfest in Bavaria.  The cops will not be nice if they catch you peeing in the alleyway.

Good luck... but seriously though, the legal ramifications of modding an AK to full auto (easily done) are so severe that I could never imagine doing it myself.

Basically, if you get caught with an illegally modded weapon, you'd probably be better off and get a lighter sentence for strangling a baby.

Thin ice my man, very thin ice.

Time to go to bed , I'm sure you have school tomorrow.

And what if your mommy found out you are in jail and liked it

You're not referring to me, I hope.

In WI, it is legal to own a full-auto.  What you will need is a very clean criminal history, (I think) a letter from your county sheriff and a ton of money.  The legal stuff is not the expensive part;  buying a transferrable firearm is.

I have not owned full-auto, but from talking to guys who have they lose their allure when you realize how much the ammo's gonna cost you!

For more info, stop in at Lauer Custom Weaponry in Chippewa Falls.  Or call them.  Talk to Tom or Steve.

They might be Huck, considering all the utter misinformation you posted.  Facts are good, the stuff that you posted, I don't know where you came up with that garbage.

By the way, don't be Mega-stupid and think about breaking the law.  Even if some slick lawyer gets you acquitted, the money you attorney will cost you will be more than the cost of going the legal route...not to mention risking losing the right to ever legally buy ANY gun again!  

Quoted: I have a few questions about full auto rifles. is there any possible way an american citizen can legally own one? what if somebody calls the police on me for full auto fire, when all i am doing is bump firing? and when and if they come too arrest me or whatever, what are they going to do? what if my gun possesses that third hole thats filled in with a rivet? whats so bad about that? and if the whoever does come to inspect my stuff and finds that filled in hole what are they gonna do about it? and what about, if I acually did convert a rifle to full auto (would be awsome!) and got caught with it, what would they do to me?

Allow me to quote from another thread. "I'm the last person that you'll see advocating gun control, but posts like this make me think there should be an IQ test to own a gun"

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Quoted: I have a few questions about full auto rifles. is there any possible way an american citizen can legally own one? Yes, however it's so expensive it's not practical unless your rich, machineguns go for about the same price as a brand new car, and try getting financeing, not as easy as a car, but lets say you have the money (An AK currently goes for about $15,000) you will need to fill out ATF form 4, get finger printed, get your Chief Law Enforcment Officer or CLEO for short to sighn your form, (He can refuse to sighn which makes you have to try to go over his head, or form a corporation to get around the signature requirment), and I believe also send in a passport size photo of yourself, and pay the $200 transfer tax, then about 4 or 5 months later after theyve finnaly got around to proccessing your paper work (they will cash your $200 check right away though) they will send you back your approved application with your tax stamp, and you can go to your class 3 dealer who you have to pay to do the transfer and pick up your weapon (you can skip the dealer transfer if you have a C&R FFL, and the weapon is C&R eligible but the rest still applys).  Alternatively you can try getting a Class 3 FFL, in which case you can order for the real value of the weapon, skip the transfer tax, the paperwork, and the sighn off, however you still need a requiest letter, and the proccess of getting the FFL it'self is nearly as much of a pain in the ass, and it's a bussness license you MUST become a machinegun dealer, and actually try to make money, not just collect, and you must pay $500 for the license, and renew it for $500 every year if you let it expire you must sell, destroy, or turn in all your machineguns unless there transferables, or pre 86 dealer samples.  However you cut it it's near impossible for the average citizen to get a legal machinegun. what if somebody calls the police on me for full auto fire, when all i am doing is bump firing? Tell the cops what your doing, and explane to them that it's legal, maybe even offer to let them try it (they like that), the worst they can do is arrest you, that sounds like I'm being sarcastic but I'm not, your not doing anything illegal, so once they figure that out they will have to release you, and return your stuff, and you can if your so inclined turn around and sue them for false arrest if you like.  More than likely 99.99% of the time they will not arrest you they will just leave after they findout your doing nothing wrong, and will probably explain that to whoever called them (though they will probably call again 5 minutes later anyway), theres about a 50% chance they will take you up on your offer to try it themselves and leave with a shit eating grin on there faces. and when and if they come too arrest me or whatever, what are they going to do? See Above what if my gun possesses that third hole thats filled in with a rivet? whats so bad about that? and if the whoever does come to inspect my stuff and finds that filled in hole what are they gonna do about it? You won't find one like that, some of the first Chinese imports were like that, which were perfectly fine, but you will find that the BATFE is run by anti-gun antivists, and they ruled that "once a machinegun always a machinegun", and all those early rifles were confiscated, though occasionaly one will show up at a gunshow or online as part of a BATFE entrapment I mean "Sting" operation.  If by some chance you somehow actually acquir one, and they find out they will rule that it is a machinegun even though it isn't, and will arrest you for illegal posesion of a machinegun, you will be convicted as the Sheeple on the jury will not know the difference they will just see a "scary gun".  You will be fined $100,000 plus spend the next 10 years in Federal Prison, plus probably about another $100,000 or so in lawer fees, all your guns will be confiscated, and you will never be allowed to buy one again, essentually they will revoke your second amendment rights, illegal as hell but thats what will happen. and what about, if I acually did convert a rifle to full auto (would be awsome!) and got caught with it, what would they do to me? See Above $100,000 fine, 10 year Prison Sentence, confiscation of all guns, illegal revocation of second amendment rights.

Adding to the above.  You're probably young and cute (at least to your cell-mate Bubba!)  

This is your a__hole before prison   o.  This is your a__hole after prison     O.

Zasha, all the answers to all your questions on this subject are found under "ARMS AND TACTICS", on the "General Class 3" forum.

www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=6&f=17

Not to mention that ANY TRANSFERABLE FA weapon that you do purchase
would had to have been REGISTERED prior to MAY 17, 1986 (see Volkmer-McClure Act)

There are no legal machine guns (Transferables) that can be owned by the general public
that were built after that date. There are POST-Dealer Samples, but you must be a
Class3/SOT to aquire them. They may only be sold to other Class3/SOT delaers,
not the general public.

If you want an M-16, its gonna cost about $10,000 and up.
If you want an AK, its gonna cost about $13,000 and up.

Start saving your video game money now, and when you are legal to buy a gun,
you might have a down payment on a legal machine gun that will be 5 years
older than you are.

KyAKGuy

Quoted: Holy Christ dude, I can't IMAGINE the royal ass-fucking you would take if caught with a weapon that's full-auto.  As far as I know, because the ban on full-automatic weapons is a federal level law, you're talking a federal investigation and court procedings. If you want to do it the LEGAL way... You've gotta apply for a Class 3 Federal Firearms license, as all select fire (double, burst, or auto) weapons are of the "class 3" variety. After the mountain of paperwork and fees, and a lengthy wait, you get your class 3, but you're not allowed to convert an existing weapon to class 3, as it's not listed as a class 3 weapon... basically, class 3 weapons have to come from the factory, to a class 3 dealer, to a class 3 license holder.  If you want to convert an AK, I believe you'd have to apply for some sort of gunsmithing license with class 3 categories.  I really don't know about that, so you'd have to do some homework. Oh yeah, there's a $200 dollar federal tax per class 3 purchase, plus up to 300 bones in class 3 dealer fees, as you must pick up the weapon in person from a dealer in your state.  Oh yeah, your state can also add certain loops you must jump through in order to obtain a class 3. Basically, you're better off waiting for the pisser at Oktoberfest in Bavaria.  The cops will not be nice if they catch you peeing in the alleyway. Good luck... but seriously though, the legal ramifications of modding an AK to full auto (easily done) are so severe that I could never imagine doing it myself. Basically, if you get caught with an illegally modded weapon, you'd probably be better off and get a lighter sentence for strangling a baby. Thin ice my man, very thin ice.

Anybody got some hip-boots I can borrow?

and what about, if I acually did convert a rifle to full auto (would be awsome!) and got caught with it, what would they do to me?

Quoted: and what about, if I acually did convert a rifle to full auto (would be awsome!) and got caught with it, what would they do to me? www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/graphics/tanks3.jpg

ahh thank you! at least i was able to pick the information out of the sarcasm. I dont have to save up my video game money, I probly have video games older than some people here. I know for shure I have weapons older than anybody here. unless any of you are veterans of the civil war... I make plenty from working. I do have a job. I inspect nuclear power stations. theres nothing wrong with my iq thank you very much. I already own an ak and some other handguns.

Quoted: I inspect nuclear power stations.

Quoted: Holy Christ dude, I can't IMAGINE the royal ass-fucking you would take if caught with a weapon that's full-auto.  As far as I know, because the ban on full-automatic weapons is a federal level law, you're talking a federal investigation and court procedings. If you want to do it the LEGAL way... You've gotta apply for a Class 3 Federal Firearms license, as all select fire (double, burst, or auto) weapons are of the "class 3" variety. After the mountain of paperwork and fees, and a lengthy wait, you get your class 3, but you're not allowed to convert an existing weapon to class 3, as it's not listed as a class 3 weapon... basically, class 3 weapons have to come from the factory, to a class 3 dealer, to a class 3 license holder.  If you want to convert an AK, I believe you'd have to apply for some sort of gunsmithing license with class 3 categories.  I really don't know about that, so you'd have to do some homework. Oh yeah, there's a $200 dollar federal tax per class 3 purchase, plus up to 300 bones in class 3 dealer fees, as you must pick up the weapon in person from a dealer in your state.  Oh yeah, your state can also add certain loops you must jump through in order to obtain a class 3. Basically, you're better off waiting for the pisser at Oktoberfest in Bavaria.  The cops will not be nice if they catch you peeing in the alleyway. Good luck... but seriously though, the legal ramifications of modding an AK to full auto (easily done) are so severe that I could never imagine doing it myself. Basically, if you get caught with an illegally modded weapon, you'd probably be better off and get a lighter sentence for strangling a baby. Thin ice my man, very thin ice.

Holy Christ dude, I can't IMAGINE where you got this load of shit from. You need to go buy the "Machinegun Dealers Bible" and read it cover to cover. Then read it again. The ONLY person who needs a class 3 license (and it is actually an SOT) is a person who SELLS NFA weapons. Owners do not get a license of any kind. They get a stamp on their paperwork that shows they paid the tax due at the time of transfer.

Yes, I can see them talking to you for this post. It is grossly inaccurate. Please do not try to help new people, your info is all wrong.

Quoted: ahh thank you! at least i was able to pick the information out of the sarcasm. I dont have to save up my video game money, I probly have video games older than some people here. I know for shure I have weapons older than anybody here. unless any of you are veterans of the civil war... I make plenty from working. I do have a job. I inspect nuclear power stations. theres nothing wrong with my iq thank you very much. I already own an ak and some other handguns.

I heard that if you buy a Membership you get a free spell checker.

People that show up on this site,,,,Mr nuclear power plant inspector,,,,That ask hypothetical questions are known as Trolls .. Maybe you should do some reading before any more hypothesizing........

Quoted: ahh thank you! at least i was able to pick the information out of the sarcasm. I don't have to save up my video game money, I probly have video games older than some people here. I know for shure I have weapons older than anybody here. unless any of you are veterans of the civil war... I make plenty from working. I do have a job. I inspect nuclear power stations. there's nothing wrong with my iq thank you very much. I already own an ak and some other handguns.

Sure you do.

I don't think you're a troll though. Just new and have some questions and that's okay. I was wondering about the legality of select fire weapons when I was new to guns as well.

Quoted: and what about, if I acually did convert a rifle to full auto (would be awsome!) and got caught with it, what would they do to me? www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/graphics/tanks3.jpg

Aaaah, Waco. A VERY apt response.

A picture is worth a thousand words, no?

So sad.

Zasha,

If you want to purchase a legal Full-auto weapon heres what you need to do.

1) Make sure you live in a class-3 state where civilian ownership of a REGISTERED Full-auto weapon is legal.  This is the most important thing to make sure of.

2) Decide what you want to purchase, and find what you want to purchase.
Registered (legal) M-16 is $10K and up, an Ak will be about $13K and up.

3) Get your money together...

4) Contact the seller of the weapon and see how he wants you top pay him for it.
Some will do a "Half and Half" deal but most of the time you will pay the full
amount up front.
CASHIERS check and Postal MO are the most commom, although i have seen guys sent
$20K in CASH in a FedEx mailer....WOW!

5) Get your paperwork going. If you are doing an in-state transfer, (Wis. resident to another Wis. resident, you can do a person-to-person transfer, with no dealer involved.
If you are buying a weapon from a out of state dealer, you will need to find a class-3
dealer in your state of residence that will handle the transfer for you. Most will charge
you $100-200 for a transfer fee.

You will need the following paperwork:
BATF form 4, filled out with the proper information.
Fingerprint card from your local law enforcement agency.
Form 4 must be signed off on by the local Chief LEO where you live.
2 Passport sized photos.
A check for $200 to BATF.

6) The waiting
BATF will take about 90 days to approve your trasnfer. Sometimes it is less,
but dont count on it.  I have seen them take as long as 120 days at times,
and as few as 30, but these are not the norms.
You can check the status on them, but it doesnt seem to help then go any faster.
Make sure you have the form filled out completely and correctly.
I have seen guys get paperwork back 2 months later and have them have to
be re-submitted just for leaving off a signature.
Yes, you do go to the back of the line, and your 90 day wait begins again...

7) Aquiring your purchase.
When your paperwork comes back approved, your dealer will have you fill out a 4473
like a standard purchase. If it is a person to person, in state transfer, you will need to
contact the Seller and arrange a FTF or shipped transfer.
Anyone whom goes through this to aquire a NFA weapon also carries a COPY of their
federal paperwork/TAX STAMP when ever they go to the range or transport their weapon anywhere.

All in all it is not a difficult thing to do. If you are legal to purchase a handgun in
your state of residence, you can buy registered machinegun.

To address a few of your other questions...
Q) What if somebody calls the police on me for full auto fire,
when all i am doing is bump firing?

A) You will probably have to show them how it works, and that the gun IS NOT
a machinegun. I wouldnt worry about it too much.

Q) What if my gun possesses that third hole thats filled in with a rivet?

A) BATF looks at the "third hole" as intent to assemble a machinegun.
Even if you have the hole in the receiver, and NEVER put the parts in the
receiver to assemble it, your gun it technically, by BATF definition,
an illegal machinegun. DO NOT DO IT! One statement to remember in the FA world...
"Once a machinegun, ALWAYS a machinegun."  Even if you have a rivet in the
receiver to block the hole where the sear would go, that RECEIVER is technically
still a MACHINEGUN.  An unregistered machinegun receiver cannot be made
to be a semi-auto weapon.

Q) Whoever does come to inspect my stuff and finds that filled in hole what are they gonna do about it?

A) You will be arrested and charges with posession of an illegal machinegun.
Here is a link to some example of an illegal AK.

http://www.akforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=32

These were "third pin" guns that were actually sent out  this way. They were built
on Full-auto receivers, but as Semi-suto guns. Once BATF found out about them
they went and found them all and confiscated them. You might see one once in  
a while. If you do, walk away from it. BATF uses them for STING operations to
bust illegal machine gun guys.

Q) If I acually did convert a rifle to full auto (would be awsome!) and got caught with it, what would they do to me?

A) If (when) found guilty, it would be a FEDERAL FELONY.  I beleive the maximim
sentence is something like 20 years imprisonment and a $20,000 in fines.

I worked at a Class-3 dealer in KY for 2 years...

Save your beer money and find what you want...Best of luck in your search!

KyAKGuy

This is just frickin idiotic.  Am I the only one that thinks this is stupid?

You can go through all this trouble to legally obtain an automatic weapon.  But oh now, even if you were to bother with it all, you can't just convert an existing receiver.  Where in the hell is the logic there?

Kyar, you've got to leave the forum, dude. That post was way too informed and well stated.

Quoted: This is just frickin idiotic.  Am I the only one that thinks this is stupid? I can assure you, you are NOT alone!!! You can go through all this trouble to legally obtain an automatic weapon.  But oh now, even if you were to bother with it all, you can't just convert an existing receiver.  Where in the hell is the logic there? Government. No logic required. The reason it is the way it is though was likely to intentionally drive the prices through the roof.

Quoted: Zasha, If you want to purchase a legal Full-auto weapon heres what you need to do. 1) Make sure you live in a class-3 state where civilian ownership of a REGISTERED Full-auto weapon is legal.  This is the most important thing to make sure of. 2) Decide what you want to purchase, and find what you want to purchase. Registered (legal) M-16 is $10K and up, an Ak will be about $13K and up. 3) Get your money together... 4) Contact the seller of the weapon and see how he wants you top pay him for it. Some will do a "Half and Half" deal but most of the time you will pay the full amount up front. CASHIERS check and Postal MO are the most commom, although i have seen guys sent $20K in CASH in a FedEx mailer....WOW! 5) Get your paperwork going. If you are doing an in state transfer, (Wis. resident to another Wis. resident, you can do a person-to-person transfer, with no dealer involved. If you are buying a weapon from a out of state dealer, you will need to find a class-3 dealer in your state of residence that will handle the transfer for you. Most will charge you $100-200 for a transfer fee. You will need the following paperwork: BATF form 4, filled out with the proper information. Fingerprint card from your local law enforcement agency. Form 4 must be signed off on by the local Chief LEO where you live. 2 Passport sized photos. A check for $200 to BATF. 6) The waiting BATF will take about 90 days to approve your trasnfer. Sometimes it is less, but dont count on it.  I have seen them take as long as 120 days at times, and as few as 30, but these are not the norms. You can check the status on them, but it doesnt seem to help then go any faster. Make sure you have the form filled out completely and correctly. I have seen guys get paperwork back 2 months later and have them have to be re-submitted just for leaving off a signature. Yes, you do go to the back of the line, and your 90 day wait begins again... 7) Aquiring your purchase. When your paperwork comes back approved, your dealer will have you fill out a 4473 like a standard purchase. If it is a person to person, in state trasnfer, you will need to contact the Seller and arrange a FTF or shipped transfer. All in all it is not a difficult thing to do. If you are legal to purchase a handgun in your state of residence, you can buy registered machinegun. To address a few of your other questions... Q) What if somebody calls the police on me for full auto fire, when all i am doing is bump firing? A) You will probably have to show them how it works, and that the gun IS NOT a machinegun. I wouldnt worry about it too much. Q) What if my gun possesses that third hole thats filled in with a rivet? A) BATF looks at the "third hole" as intent to assemble a machinegun. Even if you have the hole in the receiver, and NEVER put the parts in the receiver to assemble it, your gun it technically, by BATF definition, an illegal machinegun. DO NOT DO IT! One statement to remember in the FA world... "Once a machinegun, ALWAYS a machinegun."  Even if you have a rivet in the receiver to block the hole where the sear would go, that RECEIVER is technically still a MACHINEGUN.  An unregistered machinegun receiver cannot be made to be a semi-auto weapon. Q) Whoever does come to inspect my stuff and finds that filled in hole what are they gonna do about it? A) You will be arrested and charges with posession of an illegal machinegun. Here is a link to some example of an illegal AK. http://www.akforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=32 These were "third pin" guns that were actually sent out  this way. They were built on Full-auto receivers, but as Semi-suto guns. Once BATF found out about them they went and found them all and confiscated them. You might see one once in   a while. If you do, walk away from it. BATF uses them for STING operations to bust illegal machine gun guys. Q) If I acually did convert a rifle to full auto (would be awsome!) and got caught with it, what would they do to me? A) If (when) found guilty, it would be a FEDERAL FELONY.  I beleive the maximim sentance is something like 20 years inprisonment and a $20,000 in fines. I worked at a Class-3 dealer in KY for 2 years... Save your beer money and find what you want...Best of luck in your search! KyAKGuy

Great answer

Quoted: This is just frickin idiotic.  Am I the only one that thinks this is stupid? You can go through all this trouble to legally obtain an automatic weapon.  But oh now, even if you were to bother with it all, you can't just convert an existing receiver.  Where in the hell is the logic there?

Seem idiotic...yes.. but at least it still is legal.

The hoops arent really that difficult to jump through.
You just need the cash to do it.

You can also go the route of aquiring a Class-3 02/07 Dealer thing.
You will need to fill out more paperwork, Pay about $500 per year,
and run it as a business, with public hours. You will be subject to a
on-site inspection before you are approved.  If you are approved
you will be able to build legal "dealer samples." These are guns
that you can build and that you can shoot, but they are not transferable
except to another dealer, i.e. Not for civilian ownership.
Most are worth no more than a semi-auto gun of the same type would be worth.

KyAKGuy

I was right where you are about a month ago I live in Michigan and the law as far as I know you can ONLY buy a full auto as long as it is a “transferable” one (one that was made before a certain date or for military or police). You don’t need to be a class 3 dealer you just have to pay a tax to the feds to get a stamp around 200.00 get a signature from your local police chief saying you can have machinegun in his town good luck unless your rich and influential in your town, its only illegal unless you have enough MONEY. What a slap in the face right? Wait till you look at the price of a full auto weapons between 8000.00 and 25000.00 What a F***ing joke. If you can get the parts to make your gun full auto hide them away and learn to bump fire it is completely legal and the feds can tear your gun apart and check it but I think they know about bump firing. Save your full auto parts for a really bad day. If you’re rich you can have anything you want because you’re probably already a friend with someone in the government. The rest of use have to be criminals because they can’t understand the second amendment of the constitution. My 2 cents

The only thing I would ever convert or buy Class 3 would be a silencer OR an american 180 (.22 LR).  So the ammo is extremely cheap and the silencer would be fun.

KyAKGuy, thanks for the info. as far as the other guys concerned...... so sorry to ask questions. where I come from, thats how people find things out. i didnt know people could just be born with all the knowledge they will ever need. I guess this means you never have ask questions eh? I shure hope not.... I think this is pretty idiotic that I have to come here and sort thru all these rude comments. I seriously feel as if I'm talking with a bunch of kids on a honda civic forum. sheesh.

besides. having full auto is all kinds of badass

Quoted: If you can get the parts to make your gun full auto hide them away and learn to bump fire it is completely legal and the feds can tear your gun apart and check it but I think they know about bump firing. Save your full auto parts for a really bad day.

BAD IDEA!!! DO NOT DO THIS!!! Ill say it again. Do NOT stockpile full-auto parts.  The ATF says if you have the parts to make something full auto, and a reciever to go along with them, you are in possesion of an unregistered machine gun.  It doesnt matter if your reciever is not currently capable of full auto, becasue it can be made to shoot full auto. Ill poke around for a letter dealing with AR's but its the same thing.

Quoted: Quoted: If you can get the parts to make your gun full auto hide them away and learn to bump fire it is completely legal and the feds can tear your gun apart and check it but I think they know about bump firing. Save your full auto parts for a really bad day. BAD IDEA!!! DO NOT DO THIS!!! Ill say it again. Do NOT stockpile full-auto parts.  The ATF says if you have the parts to make something full auto, and a reciever to go along with them, you are in possesion of an unregistered machine gun.  It doesnt matter if your reciever is not currently capable of full auto, becasue it can be made to shoot full auto. Ill poke around for a letter dealing with AR's but its the same thing.

While i'm not advocating this in any way, and I want to be very clear about that, I was under the impression that the FCG groups for the AK were different that that of the AR when it came to this distinction, thus why the kits still came with the original FCGs. Am i wrong in my understanding?

edit to add : posting about how its a good idea to stock pile full auto parts with the idea of converting the gun on a "bad day" is a pretty stupid idea all around.

Quoted: While i'm not advocating this in any way, and I want to be very clear about that, I was under the impression that the FCG groups for the AK were different that that of the AR when it came to this distinction, thus why the kits still came with the original FCGs. Am i wrong in my understanding? edit to add : posting about how its a good idea to stock pile full auto parts with the idea of converting the gun on a "bad day" is a pretty stupid idea all around.

Im not sure, Ive never seen the internals of an AK, but by definiton, the FCG controls the firing of the weapon, and are the parts that allow a weapon to fire full or semi auto or burst.  The way I understand it is, If you have full auto parts lying around, and a reciever that the ATF can make accept the full auto parts and shoot automatically, you have an unregistered machine gun.

Quoted: besides. having full auto is all kinds of badass

I think your environmental suit has a leak.

perhaps!!!

What if for some crazy reason you did have a reciever with a third hole (im sure it can happen) and you have a auto sear but not installed. Isnt that Intent to Construct an unregistered machine gun or something like that?

Quoted: What if for some crazy reason you did have a reciever with a third hole (im sure it can happen) and you have a auto sear but not installed. Isnt that Intent to Construct an unregistered machine gun or something like that?

The reciever with a third hole is a machine gun already, according to the ATF.

You guys need to read through the thread a little better...
From my earlier post in this thread...

Q) What if my gun possesses that third hole thats filled in with a rivet?

A) BATF looks at the "third hole" as intent to assemble a machinegun.
Even if you have the hole in the receiver, and NEVER put the parts in the
receiver to assemble it, your gun it technically, by BATF definition,
an illegal machinegun. DO NOT DO IT! One statement to remember in the FA world...
"Once a machinegun, ALWAYS a machinegun." Even if you have a rivet in the
receiver to block the hole where the sear would go, that RECEIVER is technically
still a MACHINEGUN. An unregistered machinegun receiver cannot be made
to be a semi-auto weapon.

take it to class 3 forum please