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Posted: 9/20/2005 1:46:50 PM EDT
Why doesn't Arsenal give up on .223 AK's and just start making the stamped 7.62 models? .223 AK's always have problems!!
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 1:48:47 PM EDT
They've already quit production on the SA M5's to make more 7.62x39 AK models.
The stamped 7.62 AK's are gonna be imported later.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 2:36:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2005 2:38:05 PM EDT by mach6]
I think there are cogent reasons for the 5.56mm AK (economic, logistical and political), while have all been eloquently articulated before. Reliability is not a matter of concern for issue BU 5.56mm users. I have consdierable first hand knowledge in that arena. The Blgarians have done quitte well exporting their milled 5.56mm guns in the past few years. In Columbia they are very much a favored weapon by anyone lucky enough to get one. There was a major deal about a year or so ago to arm some rightist militias there and the guns have proven to be first class performers. Most recently, several specialised Iraqi formations (311 & 310 ING Bns ) have begun to receive Bulgarian 5.56mm AR M9's in both fixed stock and in the folder. Saw them first hand, btw. Now as for the civlian consumer in the United States, I have not a clue about the "reliability" issue. I suppose that has something to do with thiose Romanian SAR-3s and perhaps some bastardized kit builds.

Oh, btw, I've got an SAM-5S that I thoroughly enjuoy whenever I'm back home in FL. Totally reliable and quite accurate.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 3:02:29 PM EDT
I would hazard a guess that the new stamped 5.56 rifles will be very reliable, as much as the SA-M5 rifles are
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 3:26:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2005 3:30:08 PM EDT by Archer47]

Originally Posted By pieceofstink:
Why doesn't Arsenal give up on .223 AK's and just start making the stamped 7.62 models? .223 AK's always have problems!!hr


I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to... The first .223 AK that I owned was a M-76 Valmet, accurate and reliable, this was followed with a AR Gaili, another excellent AK platform. Currently I have Romanian SAR-3, GT/Arsenal K-101 (super accurate & trouble free), SA-M5 which everyone wants to shoot when I go to the range. Plus I have two AKs that were built up from new Bulgarian milled .223 kits using the stamped FEG receiver that Global Trades once offered. All of these .223 AK have proven accurate and AK tough. The current Arsenal SA-M5 is a reliable and well finished rifle and I plan to buy more as they represent one of the better buys today. Buy one and take it to the range and notice how the other shooters start to drift around for a chance to see what a high quality AK feels like.

HTH

Archer47
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 3:54:41 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 4:23:30 PM EDT
Got two SAR 3's that are trouble free.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 4:45:18 PM EDT
Since Bulgaria joined NATO and is in the process of switching their Military to 5.56, I doubt they'll give up on it any time soon ... I personally haven't had any problems with my 5.56 Arsenal, so far it's the sweetest shooting AK I've ever encountered ...
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 6:29:16 PM EDT
Dark One

It was these photos that started all the trouble....
First the 95


Then the savory .223


When will it end.........


Link Posted: 9/20/2005 7:37:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pieceofstink:
Why doesn't Arsenal give up on .223 AK's and just start making the stamped 7.62 models? .223 AK's always have problems!!



You are sort of talking out of your ass on this one. The SAR-3's had problems with hammer geometry until RSA made the correct hammer. Magazines had a bad rep because people tried shoving 5.56 into 5.45 and expecting them to work.

I still have a SAR-3 that chugs along with Wiegers; my buddy has a Saiga conversion that does the same. My VEPR K has never had a malf.

There was ONE issue with a SMALL batch of incorrectly heat treated SA M5's. That's about it. I look forward to their stamped guns.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 7:40:37 PM EDT
The worlds most reliable weapon platform mixed with all the goodness of the 5.56!!!!

What's not to like. Still waiting on New-ARGuy to get another 5.56 or 5.45 back into the shop.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 7:46:56 PM EDT
I think any problems have to do with the lack of a standard among 5.56 AK designs, and people mixing the parts / mags up...

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