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Posted: 9/23/2004 3:44:53 PM EDT
I love the end of the BAN.....
Cheap nice russian AK in just a few minutes!!  Ken RSA |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 3:52:46 PM EDT
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Did you have to install a feed ramp?
Sly |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 3:55:32 PM EDT
[#2]
forty minutes = 40 ounces in mo.
not bad for a "one beer" conversion job! it looks 300% better! |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 3:58:21 PM EDT
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It fed in the shop with out one but I had one from K-VAR and put it in any way. Feeds the same.
NOTE this was all DRY FEEDING for function. I still recomend a feed ramp from K-VAR or a pipe nipple cut in half from the hardware store. Yo! Campy da 40 be jest right tonight!  Ken RSA |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 5:01:08 PM EDT
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Man, I need to get me a few Saigas, among other things.
Ken, did you include the price of the FCG in your $170?? 
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Posted: 9/23/2004 5:40:48 PM EDT
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Ok cost break down.
1. SAIGA from S.O.G. $170.00 2. Folder stock TAPCO $50.00 3. SAW grip TAPCO $17.00 Bought sevaral got deal 4. RSA fcg yelled hey Randall is that Elvis !!! and grabed from box. Dremel tool wife gave me. Beer I bought $2.49 over all around $237.00 Big shit eating grin when done FREE!! Ken RSA |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 5:46:34 PM EDT
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So is this gonna be a service you will be able to provide?
I'm to chicken to start tearin my Saiga's apart, rather have it done right the first time  Maybe you could work in a pic of Miss RSA holding too? Nah, I can't afford THAT! 
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Posted: 9/23/2004 5:59:34 PM EDT
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Here is a really good site to do a SAIGA conversion from. Well done and done cheap.
WCSOG style my favorite. www.cross-conn.com/Saiga_Conversion/Step_1.htm Ken RSA |
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Posted: 9/23/2004 8:20:18 PM EDT
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I'm going to pick up a Saiga-12 and convert it, I just wish I could find some 8rnd mags.
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Posted: 9/23/2004 8:40:55 PM EDT
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I too am interested in converting a Saiga 12...Is it legal or does the conversion make it fall into the same category as a Street Sweeper/Stryker 12(Destructive Device as defined by the ATF)?
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Posted: 9/24/2004 4:04:26 AM EDT
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another saiga 12g request, whats needed?
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Posted: 9/24/2004 6:01:10 AM EDT
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dudes! you can do this yourselves!!!
when i first met ken, he barely had enough mechanical acumen to change the headlight bulbs in his 1963 ford falcon 40door. after enrolling in the campybob school (campsog) of gunsmithing...and getting some 40 ounce doses of courage, ken was soon tackling such advanced projects as: vacuum cleaner bag changing advanced fire control group parts design and analysis mill setups: how to remove rivets without removing your fingers after a year or so, ken was soon able to get a $180 saiga to look like a real kalashnikov! seriously, guys...all this conversion requires is common sense, a dremel tool and asking a few questions as you go. and lay off the beer untill all the guns and power tools are put away! heheh! |
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Posted: 9/24/2004 12:20:12 PM EDT
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Campy-
'...all this conversion requires is common sense...' Which is why someone really should do this for hire. Common sense is not common! Don't know whether it's genetics or environment, but there are bunches of people that we must keep away from tools before they hurt themselves. Not so sure they should be allowed to vote either... |
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Posted: 9/24/2004 3:48:42 PM EDT
[#13]
heheh! true! true!
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Posted: 9/24/2004 4:38:54 PM EDT
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So what? Are people just cutting off the extra length off their trigger guards? or are we replacing them now, w/standard guards?
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Posted: 9/24/2004 6:58:21 PM EDT
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Saiga 12ga - $200
Ultimak - $100 Hakko TAC-1 $100 Folding stock - $100 Misc parts - $50 SBS Tax stamp - $200 *DROOL* |
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Posted: 9/24/2004 7:02:08 PM EDT
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Campy definitely speaks the truth. I did mine with nothing more than a Dremel tool and a drill press which made the pistol grip hole much easier to drill. Here's one I did awhile ago:  and it does have an RSA trigger in it! Ken - what did you use for the feedramp? A pipe section or did you order one from K-var? |
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Posted: 9/24/2004 7:12:59 PM EDT
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Would be nice, but the ultimak wont work on the shotties. Thier gas tube doesnt come off. |
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Posted: 9/24/2004 7:15:46 PM EDT
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K-VAR $12.00 plus it came with rivit.
Nice product "requires fitting" Ken RSA |
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Posted: 9/24/2004 7:25:32 PM EDT
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yeah "just a little" fitting ... I should have just cut a piece of pipe by the time I got done with it...  |
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Posted: 9/24/2004 7:43:13 PM EDT
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So what's your US parts count on that?
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Posted: 9/24/2004 7:48:23 PM EDT
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RSA FCG = 3
US pistol grip = 1 US Rear stock = 1 USA parts = 5 Ken RSA |
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Posted: 9/24/2004 7:50:58 PM EDT
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SWEET!
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Posted: 9/24/2004 10:06:52 PM EDT
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They're working on it. |
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Posted: 9/25/2004 8:14:36 AM EDT
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Then a bit of rail and a bit of welding would do just fine. ;) |
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Posted: 9/26/2004 11:41:09 AM EDT
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Could I do this with a .308 Saiga? Would I have to drill a new hole for the grip screw? What about the .223 models, does the hole need to be drilled for that one? Or is it that ALL saiga models have to have the hole drilled in order to install the pistol grip?
Does anyone have that website that shows the conversion of a Saiga, by any chance? What "fitting" is needed for the K-Var feed ramp? Is it easy to make it accept hi-cap mags? Thanks, kc |
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Posted: 9/26/2004 11:59:19 AM EDT
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The .308 can be converted.
The feed ramp needs to drilled and screwed or rivited with K-VAR part. Hi-cap mags? USA made is a ready made market if you ask me. Not yet available. Can be converted to use othe .308 type magazines. Here is a link to web site for you. www.cross-conn.com/Saiga_Conversion/Step_1.htm Added a wing to mine today.   Ken RSA |
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Posted: 9/26/2004 1:18:14 PM EDT
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This most certainly can be done to the .308
 And, you do not need the feed ramp in the .308, the PG hole is already there, and the factory FCG is held in by the standard AK pins only. |
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Posted: 9/26/2004 1:27:46 PM EDT
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Nice job looks good.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 7:45:53 AM EDT
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How solid is that TASCO folder?
I like the design (and the cost) but I'm leary of the plastic construction. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 7:57:18 AM EDT
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for you saiga12 guys, it's the same fire control group although the recommendation is to use the single-hook trigger and not the double hook. the pistol grip and buttstock are the same as the ak. it's recommended you use a fixed stock.
the consensus seems to be there are fewer u.s. parts required for the saiga12 than for rifles due to some bizarre atf determination. it used to be no mags over 5rds but recently there has been some hubub going around that they ARE legal for civs to own. the question is for how long once the atf sees folks converting shotguns to pistol grip and using "hi cap" mags before they arbitrarily decide these are "destructive devices" and confiscate them all? |
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