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Posted: 8/27/2005 5:52:22 AM EDT
What is precluding them from importing tons of russian mags for instance?

Drums etc.

These ar not controlled imports are they?
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 6:54:04 AM EDT
Isnt there an agreement between Russia and the USA(Thanks Clinton) that states we wont import things like complete semi auto rifles in evil configuration and mags? Kinda like not importing from China........
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 7:50:15 AM EDT
Pretty much what was said above. No military firearm items allowed from China or Russia.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 9:45:31 AM EDT
What everyone else said..

Plus, the Russians have their own internal restraint agreement.. They do not sell Military weapon related items (rifles, bayonets, magazines, etc) to any civilian market anywhere... Even countries like Finland, Switzerland, etc where it is 100% legal to own, import and shoot machine guns...

Its also illegal to even possess a bayonet or hi cap military magazine in Russia, so that cuts out the possbility of stuff going out grey market (all stock sets, etc come this way).
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 2:59:54 PM EDT
Can we just have some sent to a country that can shipped them here and get around the crap? Like from Russia then to German or something. Damn I need some 45 round Bakelites.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 4:21:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/27/2005 4:21:34 PM EDT by 1Gunner]

Originally Posted By M4-TUNA:
Can we just have some sent to a country that can shipped them here and get around the crap? Like from Russia then to German or something. Damn I need some 45 round Bakelites.



There is a law..it requires a certain time period to be in the second country..forget how long but it was long enough for importers not to pay much consideration to it, something like three years
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 6:05:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1Gunner:

Originally Posted By M4-TUNA:
Can we just have some sent to a country that can shipped them here and get around the crap? Like from Russia then to German or something. Damn I need some 45 round Bakelites.



There is a law..it requires a certain time period to be in the second country..forget how long but it was long enough for importers not to pay much consideration to it, something like three years



People keep quoting 5 years around here. That's a long time to wait.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 10:46:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By M4-TUNA:
Can we just have some sent to a country that can shipped them here and get around the crap? Like from Russia then to German or something. Damn I need some 45 round Bakelites.



Its 5 years.. Even then, its up to the ATF..

As for Germany, I already depleted the 45rd RPK74 mag supply in April......
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 12:00:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 12:17:56 AM EDT by mobius]
it's 5 years.............you can read it hear, under §447.52 Import restrictions applicable to certain countries.........but here is the jist of it.........

(f) Applicants desiring to import articles claimed to meet the criteria specified in paragraph (e) of this section shall explain, and certify to, how the firearms meet the criteria. The certification statement will be prepared in letter form, executed under the penalties of perjury, and should be submitted with the application for an import permit. The certification statement must be accompanied by documentary information on the country or area of original manufacture and on the country or area of storage for the five year period immediately prior to importation. Such information may, for example, include a verifiable statement in the English language of a government official or any other person having knowledge of the date and place of manufacture and/or the place of storage; a warehouse receipt or other document which provides the required history of storage; and any other document that the applicant believes substantiates the place and date of manufacture and the place of storage. The appropriate ATF officer, however, reserves the right to determine whether documentation is acceptable. Applicants shall, when required by the appropriate ATF officer, furnish additional documentation as may be necessary to determine whether an import permit application should be approved.



http://www.washingtonwatchdog.org/documents/cfr/title27/part447.html

and before someone says, well it don't say anything about magazine..........read the defination for "Import List. The list of articles contained in §447.21 and identified therein as “The U.S. Munitions Import List”.

then go and read what that list has...........


http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/05dec20031700/edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2003/aprqtr/27cfr447.21.htm

then read this part:
category xxi--miscellaneous articles

Any article not specifically enumerated in the other categories of
the U.S. Munitions List which has substantial military applicability and
which has been specifically designed or modified for military purposes.

The decision on whether any article may be included in this category
shall be made by the Director, Office of Defense Trade Controls,
Department of State, with the concurrence of the Department of Defense.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 3:18:23 AM EDT
Why no 45 round mags. from Bulgaria?
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 5:00:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LUGERMAN:
Why no 45 round mags. from Bulgaria?



As far as I know, Bulgaria never made any.. All their RPK74 stuff is Russian made.. The rifles were made with Russian barreled actions.. The mags were probably made in Russia. Here is a pic of a Russian RPK74 mag that has the removable mold insert for the markings-


On Bulgarian mags there will be simply a blank disk here..

Link Posted: 8/28/2005 1:15:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 1:20:37 PM EDT by mobius]
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