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Posted: 6/8/2016 9:46:54 PM EDT
No more guns this year?
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They are a military based company and they have to fill contracts for militaries before rec shooters
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its the reason I bought my 107 before all the distributors ran out.Given the political climate that's sure to come in the next few months I wasn't sure about the possibility of seeing them again.If you want something from arsenal I would say now is the time to find it.Hell If you want anything thats semi auto and takes a detachable mag nows the time to buy
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I didn't know Wasr production stopped. I'm glad I just bought one
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I would consider a Rifle Dynamics AK from Jim Fuller. His AK's are very nice and are built the right way
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I would consider a Rifle Dynamics AK from Jim Fuller. His AK's are very nice and are built the right way Aren't they $2000-2500? Fuck that. Buy a Vepr 2200 and worth every penny |
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I would consider a Rifle Dynamics AK from Jim Fuller. His AK's are very nice and are built the right way View Quote I'm not sure what exactly justifies the crazy price tag on these rifles. Yea, they are assembled well but there are a lot of guys out there that can do that for you at a far lower cost. I'm not going to pay to have $600 worth of parts (and I would assume the "AK guru" isn't paying retail) assembled into a $2200 rifle because the word "tuned" is in front of the Tapco G2 trigger and someone dehorned the rifle. Especially when the parts kit includes a US barrel and receiver. IMHO RD rifles are for people with too much money to care if they get ripped off (in a sense) and too little time to do the proper research. The new basic AK that you can preorder from RD is $1600... it has the same specs (other than it coming with a PWS brake that I don't want and where exactly RD sources parts from is a little more of a mystery) as a DDI rifle that costs $899. RD lives off of a few celebrity endorsements and a general lack of knowledge in the US AK consumer market. I'm definitely not saying that the RD product is bad, just saying that you can do better for less $ and that is what matters. Turbothis, JBI, Two Rivers, POHF, ect.... do your research. There are a lot of places out there that will put a rifle together right. |
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I'm not sure what exactly justifies the crazy price tag on these rifles. Yea, they are assembled well but there are a lot of guys out there that can do that for you at a far lower cost. I'm not going to pay to have $600 worth of parts (and I would assume the "AK guru" isn't paying retail) assembled into a $2200 rifle because the word "tuned" is in front of the Tapco G2 trigger and someone dehorned the rifle. Especially when the parts kit includes a US barrel and receiver. IMHO RD rifles are for people with too much money to care if they get ripped off (in a sense) and too little time to do the proper research. The new basic AK that you can preorder from RD is $1600... it has the same specs (other than it coming with a PWS brake that I don't want and where exactly RD sources parts from is a little more of a mystery) as a DDI rifle that costs $899. RD lives off of a few celebrity endorsements and a general lack of knowledge in the US AK consumer market. I'm definitely not saying that the RD product is bad, just saying that you can do better for less $ and that is what matters. Turbothis, JBI, Two Rivers, POHF, ect.... do your research. There are a lot of places out there that will put a rifle together right. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I would consider a Rifle Dynamics AK from Jim Fuller. His AK's are very nice and are built the right way I'm not sure what exactly justifies the crazy price tag on these rifles. Yea, they are assembled well but there are a lot of guys out there that can do that for you at a far lower cost. I'm not going to pay to have $600 worth of parts (and I would assume the "AK guru" isn't paying retail) assembled into a $2200 rifle because the word "tuned" is in front of the Tapco G2 trigger and someone dehorned the rifle. Especially when the parts kit includes a US barrel and receiver. IMHO RD rifles are for people with too much money to care if they get ripped off (in a sense) and too little time to do the proper research. The new basic AK that you can preorder from RD is $1600... it has the same specs (other than it coming with a PWS brake that I don't want and where exactly RD sources parts from is a little more of a mystery) as a DDI rifle that costs $899. RD lives off of a few celebrity endorsements and a general lack of knowledge in the US AK consumer market. I'm definitely not saying that the RD product is bad, just saying that you can do better for less $ and that is what matters. Turbothis, JBI, Two Rivers, POHF, ect.... do your research. There are a lot of places out there that will put a rifle together right. dang! dehorned!?? none of my AKs came with horns! did I get ripped off?? |
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I would consider a Rifle Dynamics AK from Jim Fuller. His AK's are very nice and are built the right way Aren't they $2000-2500? Fuck that. Buy a Vepr 2200 and worth every penny NO, Just NO! |
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Well, just look around, there is people with tons of money. $2200 is nothing to them. Most of us, it's way too much money
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I would consider a Rifle Dynamics AK from Jim Fuller. His AK's are very nice and are built the right way Aren't they $2000-2500? Fuck that. Buy a Vepr 2200 and worth every penny I'm with you on this! I own many AK's, but my prize possession is my RD converted saiga It is by far the most enjoyable gun to shoot that I own! The craftsmanship is nothing less than perfect, totally amazing! I love that gat.... |
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I would consider a Rifle Dynamics AK from Jim Fuller. His AK's are very nice and are built the right way Aren't they $2000-2500? Fuck that. Buy a Vepr 2200 and worth every penny For that kind of money I'd buy a WASR, a 107FR and two cases of ammo and save money. I love AKs but there is no way that I'd spend that kind of money on one. ETA: I wouldn't spend that on an AR either. |
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Quoted: dang! dehorned!?? none of my AKs came with horns! did I get ripped off?? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I would consider a Rifle Dynamics AK from Jim Fuller. His AK's are very nice and are built the right way I'm not sure what exactly justifies the crazy price tag on these rifles. Yea, they are assembled well but there are a lot of guys out there that can do that for you at a far lower cost. I'm not going to pay to have $600 worth of parts (and I would assume the "AK guru" isn't paying retail) assembled into a $2200 rifle because the word "tuned" is in front of the Tapco G2 trigger and someone dehorned the rifle. Especially when the parts kit includes a US barrel and receiver. IMHO RD rifles are for people with too much money to care if they get ripped off (in a sense) and too little time to do the proper research. The new basic AK that you can preorder from RD is $1600... it has the same specs (other than it coming with a PWS brake that I don't want and where exactly RD sources parts from is a little more of a mystery) as a DDI rifle that costs $899. RD lives off of a few celebrity endorsements and a general lack of knowledge in the US AK consumer market. I'm definitely not saying that the RD product is bad, just saying that you can do better for less $ and that is what matters. Turbothis, JBI, Two Rivers, POHF, ect.... do your research. There are a lot of places out there that will put a rifle together right. dang! dehorned!?? none of my AKs came with horns! did I get ripped off?? Every time this subject comes up, I always feel cheated that my AKs came without horns. |
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Aren't they $2000-2500? Fuck that. Buy a Vepr View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I would consider a Rifle Dynamics AK from Jim Fuller. His AK's are very nice and are built the right way Aren't they $2000-2500? Fuck that. Buy a Vepr +1 and then some. |
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I would consider a Rifle Dynamics AK from Jim Fuller. His AK's are very nice and are built the right way Aren't they $2000-2500? Fuck that. Buy a Vepr 2200 and worth every penny NO, Just NO! if you can't afford it,Don't like it, or don't understand why it costs what it does that's no my problem.Its worth every penny to me and enough other people to keep RD 6+ months backordered |
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if you can't afford it,Don't like it, or don't understand why it costs what it does that's no my problem.Its worth every penny to me and enough other people to keep RD 6+ months backordered View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I would consider a Rifle Dynamics AK from Jim Fuller. His AK's are very nice and are built the right way Aren't they $2000-2500? Fuck that. Buy a Vepr 2200 and worth every penny NO, Just NO! if you can't afford it,Don't like it, or don't understand why it costs what it does that's no my problem.Its worth every penny to me and enough other people to keep RD 6+ months backordered Of course its not your problem. I just want to know what would make it worth $700 more than a DDI with the exact same specs. "Dehorned" is a joke (as you may have already gathered from previous posts) and does anyone really care about someone "tuning" their G2 trigger for them? It takes a dremel and 5min and it is completely unnecessary IMO. Then he slaps on a bolt-on GB/FSB combo. I thought it was pretty unanimous that pinned components are better than bolt-on no matter if you are talking AKs, ARs, or whatever. Not to mention it gives you a shorter sight radius. Why should I chose a RD AK over 2 SLR 107s? I just want to know why they cost so damn much because you can look at some other high end rifles like the KAC SR15 and you can part it out and see where the cost comes from but when you do the same with RD, shit just doesn't add up. Would anyone pay $1,500 for a RD quality checked and tuned WASR.... i sure hope not but that is basically what it is equivalent too. Good home builder + celebrity endorsements + high price tag + branding is what has made Rifle Dynamics... its basically more psychology than gunsmithing. Someone sees Travis Haley say that RD is the best ever in some youtube video, you see the ridiculously high price tag, and you say this shit must be special despite all logic. |
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please tell us the name of your ak building company? how about some examples of your work out in public? You know so we can compare them.
I think its pretty fair to say until you employ multiple people building AK's every day and rent out a shop and the machines to put the stuff together that you really don't have any idea what it should cost in the end.American labor isn't cheap and running a business here isn't the easiest .I have arsenal,ddi,century.and rd rifles and each one of them falls into a specific user group. century-basic ak that "usually" works for cheap ddi-nicer quality ak for people who want better qc than what century offers. arsenal-the only company producing an ak100 style rifle currently for the private market. RD-Falls into the hard use best quality control ak you can get.Fills the same market as what the sr15 would on the AR side.RD isn't the only one charging alot for a basic ak you should check around what some other american companies charge. Take all the parts to build the rifles,the labor from the machine work,the assembly,and the finishing and throw some cost in to actually make a profit and you have an expensive quality built rifle. How many people do you see bitching about RD'S rifles? it should be pretty telling that everyone who actually has used one or owns one feels its a worthwhile investment. |
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Rifle Dynamic AKs are nothing special except that you get to run around saying you wasted $2200 on the same style of AK that Travis Haley uses.
Any competent gunsmith can build you the same exact thing for significantly cheaper. My gunsmith charges $65 for the RD "front-end modifications", minus the actual block of course. There's also no real documented proof that they are "hard use" rifles, just what Jim Fuller claims. In fact, the C39V2 and WASR 10s are more hard use proven from Battlefield Vegas. |
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Of course its not your problem. I just want to know what would make it worth $700 more than a DDI with the exact same specs. "Dehorned" is a joke (as you may have already gathered from previous posts) and does anyone really care about someone "tuning" their G2 trigger for them? It takes a dremel and 5min and it is completely unnecessary IMO. Then he slaps on a bolt-on GB/FSB combo. I thought it was pretty unanimous that pinned components are better than bolt-on no matter if you are talking AKs, ARs, or whatever. Not to mention it gives you a shorter sight radius. Why should I chose a RD AK over 2 SLR 107s? I just want to know why they cost so damn much because you can look at some other high end rifles like the KAC SR15 and you can part it out and see where the cost comes from but when you do the same with RD, shit just doesn't add up. Would anyone pay $1,500 for a RD quality checked and tuned WASR.... i sure hope not but that is basically what it is equivalent too. Good home builder + celebrity endorsements + high price tag + branding is what has made Rifle Dynamics... its basically more psychology than gunsmithing. Someone sees Travis Haley say that RD is the best ever in some youtube video, you see the ridiculously high price tag, and you say this shit must be special despite all logic. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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if you can't afford it,Don't like it, or don't understand why it costs what it does that's no my problem.Its worth every penny to me and enough other people to keep RD 6+ months backordered Of course its not your problem. I just want to know what would make it worth $700 more than a DDI with the exact same specs. "Dehorned" is a joke (as you may have already gathered from previous posts) and does anyone really care about someone "tuning" their G2 trigger for them? It takes a dremel and 5min and it is completely unnecessary IMO. Then he slaps on a bolt-on GB/FSB combo. I thought it was pretty unanimous that pinned components are better than bolt-on no matter if you are talking AKs, ARs, or whatever. Not to mention it gives you a shorter sight radius. Why should I chose a RD AK over 2 SLR 107s? I just want to know why they cost so damn much because you can look at some other high end rifles like the KAC SR15 and you can part it out and see where the cost comes from but when you do the same with RD, shit just doesn't add up. Would anyone pay $1,500 for a RD quality checked and tuned WASR.... i sure hope not but that is basically what it is equivalent too. Good home builder + celebrity endorsements + high price tag + branding is what has made Rifle Dynamics... its basically more psychology than gunsmithing. Someone sees Travis Haley say that RD is the best ever in some youtube video, you see the ridiculously high price tag, and you say this shit must be special despite all logic. if you can't afford it,Don't like it, or don't understand why it costs what it does that's no my problem.Its worth every penny to me and enough other people to keep my magic beans 6+ months backordered |
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Quoted: if you can't afford it,Don't like it, or don't understand why it costs what it does that's no my problem.Its worth every penny to me and enough other people to keep my magic beans 6+ months backordered View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: if you can't afford it,Don't like it, or don't understand why it costs what it does that's no my problem.Its worth every penny to me and enough other people to keep RD 6+ months backordered Of course its not your problem. I just want to know what would make it worth $700 more than a DDI with the exact same specs. "Dehorned" is a joke (as you may have already gathered from previous posts) and does anyone really care about someone "tuning" their G2 trigger for them? It takes a dremel and 5min and it is completely unnecessary IMO. Then he slaps on a bolt-on GB/FSB combo. I thought it was pretty unanimous that pinned components are better than bolt-on no matter if you are talking AKs, ARs, or whatever. Not to mention it gives you a shorter sight radius. Why should I chose a RD AK over 2 SLR 107s? I just want to know why they cost so damn much because you can look at some other high end rifles like the KAC SR15 and you can part it out and see where the cost comes from but when you do the same with RD, shit just doesn't add up. Would anyone pay $1,500 for a RD quality checked and tuned WASR.... i sure hope not but that is basically what it is equivalent too. Good home builder + celebrity endorsements + high price tag + branding is what has made Rifle Dynamics... its basically more psychology than gunsmithing. Someone sees Travis Haley say that RD is the best ever in some youtube video, you see the ridiculously high price tag, and you say this shit must be special despite all logic. if you can't afford it,Don't like it, or don't understand why it costs what it does that's no my problem.Its worth every penny to me and enough other people to keep my magic beans 6+ months backordered Maybe you can educate the uninformed and help us understand the RD price tag? The sum of its parts and the reputation of the builder? Is that about it? |
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Aren't they $2000-2500? Fuck that. Buy a Vepr View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I would consider a Rifle Dynamics AK from Jim Fuller. His AK's are very nice and are built the right way Aren't they $2000-2500? Fuck that. Buy a Vepr Yep. The tiny amount of hacking that fuller does on a rifle, does not contribute a single thing to accuracy or reliability, and is easily done by any individual with minor hand tools and even the bare minimum of skill in using them. 2200, i'm too sure, that's beyond ridiculous. You can buy a Vepr for around 700, spend a couple hundred on some nice aftermarket furniture and have a FAR nicer rifle than that kit build crap fuller puts out. |
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Good lord, look at the trigger guard rivets on that rifle, i've seen better work from the monkeys at Century.
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These are 2 i've seen this week. I've seen more but just not feeling like digging them up. Saying they are the best doesn't make them the best. Why can DDI (who is an american company who should have the exact same expenses as RD) get the job done for half the price? Pull out a calculator and add up how much it would cost to assemble an SR15 from parts from a 3rd party site and then do the same with a RD AK and see what happens. You will see you pay a lot for that "magic" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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please tell us the name of your ak building company? how about some examples of your work out in public? You know so we can compare them. I think its pretty fair to say until you employ multiple people building AK's every day and rent out a shop and the machines to put the stuff together that you really don't have any idea what it should cost in the end.American labor isn't cheap and running a business here isn't the easiest .I have arsenal,ddi,century.and rd rifles and each one of them falls into a specific user group. century-basic ak that "usually" works for cheap ddi-nicer quality ak for people who want better qc than what century offers. arsenal-the only company producing an ak100 style rifle currently for the private market. RD-Falls into the hard use best quality control ak you can get.Fills the same market as what the sr15 would on the AR side.RD isn't the only one charging alot for a basic ak you should check around what some other american companies charge. Take all the parts to build the rifles,the labor from the machine work,the assembly,and the finishing and throw some cost in to actually make a profit and you have an expensive quality built rifle. How many people do you see bitching about RD'S rifles? it should be pretty telling that everyone who actually has used one or owns one feels its a worthwhile investment. I owned an RD built rifle that consisted of a parts kit added to a US receiver. It was smoothed out around the edges and ran like a champ. I like my Arsenal better, and it works equally well. To each his own, but RD didn't do enough for me to justify keeping it around. When I knew very little about AKs, I picked up a RD underfolder from a member here. Think I paid $1000 for it at the time. Initially, I was impressed; but I attribute a lot of that to my lack of knowledge at the time. As I learned more from you guys, I realized that a lot of the selling points for the rifle were smoke and mirrors and could easily be replicated at home. Yes, it ran great, the action was smooth and I never had any issues with it. However, that applies to every other AK in my collection as well. I sold the rifle and the person I sold it to, sold it as well (I think that says a lot). That rifle literally changed hands at least 3 times within a 2 year period.
In my opinion, they are good for the beginner who just wants to go out a shoot it and doesn't want to bother learning anything else about the rifle. Not a good fit for those of us who like to learn and tinker with things. A local pawn shop currently has one that they are selling. Overall a very nice rifle (I handled it and looked it over really well). Someone will get a lot of good use out of it, but my opinion has not changed. I just feel bad for that poor 107cr that was mutilated and had the original gas block combo removed. Here is a picture of the RD I owned in 2013: <a href="http://s1157.photobucket.com/user/luminaryentertainment/media/1234/PC250057_zps9tx4jkvr.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p597/luminaryentertainment/1234/PC250057_zps9tx4jkvr.jpg</a> These are 2 i've seen this week. I've seen more but just not feeling like digging them up. Saying they are the best doesn't make them the best. Why can DDI (who is an american company who should have the exact same expenses as RD) get the job done for half the price? Pull out a calculator and add up how much it would cost to assemble an SR15 from parts from a 3rd party site and then do the same with a RD AK and see what happens. You will see you pay a lot for that "magic" |
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Wow this turned ugly pretty fast.
Rifle dynamics seem like a good bunch of dudes, I would not buy one now, maybe later but not now. Arsenals are out of stock pretty much everywhere, glad I got one. |
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