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Posted: 6/27/2005 11:20:10 AM EDT
Anybody know if anyone is going to manufacture a U.S. made copy of the 22mm Romanian muzzlebrake? It seems to me that some dime could be made on these. I for one would definitely be first in line to get one. I am tired of waiting for K-var to get them in stock, if at all.
Link Posted: 6/27/2005 11:37:48 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/27/2005 3:13:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/27/2005 3:13:47 PM EDT by vatolocal]
I gave them a call, but got the machine. I will keep all interested posted.
Link Posted: 6/27/2005 5:13:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vatolocal:
Anybody know if anyone is going to manufacture a U.S. made copy of the 22mm Romanian muzzlebrake? It seems to me that some dime could be made on these. I for one would definitely be first in line to get one. I am tired of waiting for K-var to get them in stock, if at all.



YES! Exacting copies. 4140 steel. Factory specs. Hard chromed.

They are about 3 weeks away from being ready to sale.

Shawn
Link Posted: 6/27/2005 5:41:43 PM EDT
Who's making them? Chromed US copies sounds pricey, but we'll see.

take care,
Tec
Link Posted: 6/27/2005 5:57:02 PM EDT
3-7,
I can wait 3 weeks easily. I've been waiting over 1 1/2 years. It seems like an eternity though. I should have bought the muzzlebrake when k-var had them, but they didn't have the FSB at the time. Now it's visa-versa. Go figure. Please keep us posted. Can wait till they hit the market.

-vato

3-7 can you elaborate anymore? If not I totally understand.
Link Posted: 6/27/2005 6:07:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/28/2005 2:57:45 PM EDT by HermanSnerd]
Tagged cuz I need one too.

Edited to add: put me down for one of the chrome lined ones, and IM me when they are ready.
Funds will go out the next day.


Link Posted: 6/27/2005 6:34:09 PM EDT
I'd be in if it's an EXACT copy.
Link Posted: 6/27/2005 7:18:03 PM EDT
I am the one making these. Like 3-7 said, they will be exacting no-compromise copies. They begin with 4140 steel, are machined on a CNC turning center, and then all secondary machining processes will be done. They are then heat-treated to factory specs and hard chromed. It is really much work and many steps for such a seemingly simple part.

The heat-treating is really necessary and should be done on all parts of this nature. The hard chrome is done to improve stability and wear over time due to the exhaust pulse delivered through the unit each shot, as well as corrosion.

I can sell these in virtually any level of completion if there is sufficient demand. These will be a substitute for the original

Thanks,

Chris
AK-USA
Link Posted: 6/27/2005 7:30:50 PM EDT
Exact copy of a Romanian or Russian? Will it have the lightning cuts?

Thanks.
Link Posted: 6/27/2005 7:43:03 PM EDT
These will be Romanian AK-74 type, 22x1.5mm

Chris
Link Posted: 6/27/2005 8:04:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AK-USA:
These will be Romanian AK-74 type, 22x1.5mm

Chris



My prayers have been answered.

Link Posted: 6/28/2005 3:29:25 AM EDT
Bump to the top! I need one too! Chris, please keep us informed when these will be available!

Yours,
One Rusty Nut.
Link Posted: 6/28/2005 5:40:37 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/28/2005 5:54:59 AM EDT
This is a ringing endorcement! I can't wait until this are ready for sale!

Yours,
One Rusty Nut.
Link Posted: 6/28/2005 6:19:07 AM EDT
If Chris is making these you know they will be "top of the line", just as his AK work is.
Link Posted: 6/28/2005 7:22:01 AM EDT
Chris,

I am in too. Just let us know when you'll be taking orders. Thank-you.
-vato
Link Posted: 6/28/2005 9:07:52 AM EDT
Me or Chris will post here once they get done. Plenty of pics.

We will have 125 in the first batch. A few will not be hard chromed for those who dont want the extra cost of the hard chroming.

All will be heat treated!

Besides the Romanian muzzle devices is there any interest in Saiga or modern 100 series, US made exacting copy, gas piston? The solid piston head type, found on the saiga line of rifles.





Shawn
Link Posted: 6/28/2005 2:20:33 PM EDT
Good to hear from ya Chris.

As far as those pistons, they should be easy to make for someone already making a US copy, since it is basically a US version minus some milling steps. I'd check with Red Star Arms if you think there is actually a demand....I'm kinda up in the air on that part.

take care,
Tec
Link Posted: 6/28/2005 3:06:09 PM EDT
IMHO, I don't think that there would be a big market for the "Saiga/AK100" style gas piston. Maybe with Saiga owners who want to do pistol grip conversions. Do a limited run and see how they sell. Just my .02. But your Romanian 22mm muzzlebrakes are the bomb! LOL.

-vato
Link Posted: 6/28/2005 4:41:38 PM EDT
Nice how much do we think it would run?
Link Posted: 6/28/2005 6:35:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/28/2005 6:42:19 PM EDT by AK-USA]
Also, how should these Romanian type compensators be finished?? Do we leave them in the white, bead blast, parkerize; manganese or zinc phosphate, black oxide, enamel??

Thanks,

Chris
AK-USA
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 2:21:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AK-USA:
Also, how should these Romanian type compensators be finished?? Do we leave them in the white, bead blast, parkerize; manganese or zinc phosphate, black oxide, enamel??

Thanks,

Chris
AK-USA



Chris!

This is so great! I am very excited! My vote for "finish" of the Romainian 22mm muzzle break is a split vote! I personally want one that is left "in the white", so I can bead blast it, park it and paint it with the rest of the rifle. However, I realize some of the guys just want to "plug and play" the muzzle break on rifles that are already finished. I'd phos park some of the breaks for these guys.

It seems to me that it is going to be pretty hard to please all of the people all of the time with so many choices available! Hardened, chromed inside, and in the white outside is just fine with me!

Yours,
One Rusty Nut.
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 3:14:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AK-USA:
Also, how should these Romanian type compensators be finished?? Do we leave them in the white, bead blast, parkerize; manganese or zinc phosphate, black oxide, enamel??

Thanks,

Chris
AK-USA



Park is my vote
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 6:25:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/29/2005 6:26:27 AM EDT by jimtash9]
Both my Romanian brakes are parked on the outside and chromed lined on the inside while my Global (now Armory USA) made brake is just parked throughout with no chrome. Also my Global made 22mm brake is just their 24mm with 22mm threads. It is slightly bigger in diameter to the Romanian one's I have because it's almost flush with the locking pin making it a little more difficult to push the pin in. Make sure you don't do what Global did with theirs.
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 6:37:40 AM EDT
I'm in for 3 or 4. Finish them in something dark to match the usual Romanian finish.


Brick
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 8:48:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/29/2005 8:50:36 AM EDT by edman99]
I would have interest in 1-2 brakes.

Finish them in something dark to match the usual Romanian finish.

+1

Also would have interest in 2 of the 100 series gas piston.



Link Posted: 6/29/2005 8:49:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jimtash9:
Make sure you don't do what Global did with theirs.



I have one. It's not the correct length either.
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 9:50:25 AM EDT
Mine will be going on a romanian SAR-2.

+1 on the dark finish to match.

Link Posted: 6/29/2005 10:13:59 AM EDT


Originally Posted By jimtash9:
Make sure you don't do what Global did with theirs.



We wont. You guys will like them. They will be to the same dimensions as the original Romanian comp.

BTW The first samples were completed today. So hopefully late next week I should get one in for evaluation.


Originally Posted By HermanSnerd:
Mine will be going on a romanian SAR-2.

+1 on the dark finish to match.




Black oxide sound good to you guys?

Shawn
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 10:17:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 3-7INFANTRY:

Originally Posted By jimtash9:
Make sure you don't do what Global did with theirs.



We wont. You guys will like them. They will be to the same dimensions as the original Romanian comp.

BTW The first samples were completed today. So hopefully late next week I should get one in for evaluation.


Originally Posted By HermanSnerd:
Mine will be going on a romanian SAR-2.

+1 on the dark finish to match.




Black oxide sound good to you guys?

Shawn



Man this is great! I am stoked! I sure hope that this muzzle devise will not break my bank account! I may just have to get a fifth job!

Yours,
One Rusty Nut.
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 4:41:18 PM EDT
I will buy a couple! I just cut off my FSB on my SAR2 today and then realized no one has a Romanian-type 22mm brake. I couldnt believe it! but this thread has saved my ass! PLEASE Keep up posted on the ETA of when these go to market... thx again
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 4:42:56 PM EDT
black oxide sounds good to me BTW....
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 4:53:57 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/29/2005 4:55:52 PM EDT
Please contact me wheh tne copies of the Rom 22mm muzzle breaks are ready. My FSB look park then blued. Any finish will do. Thanks
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 6:07:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/29/2005 6:14:20 PM EDT by Spooky130]
Anybody have a picture of one of the original Romanian muzzlebrakes? I've got a SAR2 that looks a lot like a AIMS74 and I would like to swap out the brakes... Here's the best I could find...








Spooky
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 6:45:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/26/2005 7:01:00 AM EDT by jimtash9]
Here's my 22mm brakes. The Global Trades one is on the left and the two Romanian one's are in the center and right:



The Romanian brakes are chrome lined while the Global isn't.


Link Posted: 6/29/2005 7:34:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 7:54:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jimtash9:
Both my Romanian brakes are parked on the outside and chromed lined



Actually the finish on your Romanian brake is blueing.

Romanian AK's are bead blasted, then blued.
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 7:57:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Spooky130:
I've got a SAR2 that looks a lot like a AIMS74



A lot ?!? It should look exactly like an AIMS74!
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 8:06:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ripcode:

Originally Posted By jimtash9:
Both my Romanian brakes are parked on the outside and chromed lined



Actually the finish on your Romanian brake is blueing.

Romanian AK's are bead blasted, then blued.



You're right. The brake in the middle is blued and the brake on the right I had parked to match the rifle.
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 9:27:10 PM EDT
I NEED one of these also!!! Pm me once they are done! I vote for the park / black oxide as my CUR2 finish will match, Thanks Chris.
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 9:57:50 PM EDT
Black oxide.
Link Posted: 6/30/2005 2:08:34 AM EDT
Are they ready yet? Are they done! (said in my very best child's voice coming from the back seat of the family Carivan!)

Yours,
One Rusty Nut.
Link Posted: 6/30/2005 4:02:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ripcode:

Originally Posted By Spooky130:
I've got a SAR2 that looks a lot like a AIMS74



A lot ?!? It should look exactly like an AIMS74!



Ok, ok, exactly like a AIMS74 - I want to get a couple more parts to make it politically correct enough to shoot!

Spooky
Link Posted: 6/30/2005 4:50:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By samadams:
I NEED one of these also!!! Pm me once they are done! I vote for the park / black oxide as my CUR2 finish will match, Thanks Chris.



So which finish do you want?

Parkerizing and Black oxide are different finishes.

Black oxide is bead blasting and hot blueing.
Link Posted: 6/30/2005 5:08:46 AM EDT
when I called Global trades they said they didnt have a AK74 brake in 22mm thread.... now I see that they use the Bulgarian 24mm with a thread insert. Has anyone bought a 22mm brake from them recently? when I called them yesterday the girl who answered said their website had a typo and they infact didnt have any 22mm threaded brakes, just the 24mm,.

anyone?
Link Posted: 6/30/2005 5:20:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lxpony:
when I called Global trades they said they didnt have a AK74 brake in 22mm thread.... now I see that they use the Bulgarian 24mm with a thread insert. Has anyone bought a 22mm brake from them recently? when I called them yesterday the girl who answered said their website had a typo and they infact didnt have any 22mm threaded brakes, just the 24mm,.

anyone?



Global's supplier stopped making them over a year ago and they do not have anymore.
Link Posted: 6/30/2005 6:26:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lxpony:
when I called Global trades they said they didnt have a AK74 brake in 22mm thread.... now I see that they use the Bulgarian 24mm with a thread insert. Has anyone bought a 22mm brake from them recently? when I called them yesterday the girl who answered said their website had a typo and they infact didnt have any 22mm threaded brakes, just the 24mm,.

anyone?



You don't want a Global brake anyway because the larger diameter makes it kinda hard to push the locking pin in. BTW, the brake doesn't have a thread insert. It's just not machined out to 24mm like a regular Bulgarian brake is.
Link Posted: 6/30/2005 6:33:27 AM EDT
agreed, I much rather have the AK-USA one.........
Link Posted: 6/30/2005 7:12:41 AM EDT
I'll buy one if you chrome them!
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