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Posted: 8/25/2004 6:10:17 PM EDT


I obviously brightened up the photo quite a bit to get a better visual, but what is this fantastic gem we have here? It looks like a beast.
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 6:15:13 PM EDT
nice aint it?
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 6:15:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 6:20:21 PM EDT
I want one.
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 6:24:58 PM EDT
someone lives under a rock
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 6:33:35 PM EDT
I must live under a rock, because I don't know what it is, but sure is beautiful!
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 6:51:50 PM EDT
I love my sagia 12 it is bad ass with 3' oo buck
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 7:30:52 PM EDT
I think a Saiga with a folder and pistol grip is in the works for me reallll SOOOON!!!

I love AKs and destroying shit with a shotgun.. Put the two together and you get big fun...
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 7:32:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By coltshorty14:
I think a Saiga with a folder and pistol grip is in the works for me reallll SOOOON!!!

I love AKs and destroying shit with a shotgun.. Put the two together and you get big fun...



I see the same in my future
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 10:51:12 AM EDT
is it a saiga? looks like a saiga mag to me. where can you get a saiga 12 mag with that much capacity?
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 2:08:06 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 2:54:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 3:02:11 PM EDT
Are there enough U.S. parts to convert a Saiga 12 to be used with a pistol grip stock?

I almost bought one earlier this year.

If I can get full cap mags and a pistol grip I am fucking in.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 8:08:14 PM EDT
Where to buy the parts and the big mags??
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 8:14:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/26/2004 8:14:25 PM EDT by Triumph955i]
i giggled like a little bitch when i saw that mag!

3 weeks cant come soon enough.

i have looked forward to the sunset more than i have looked forward to any Christmas.....

probably because this "xmas" took 10 years to get here.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 11:34:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/27/2004 11:41:03 AM EDT by hardcorps1775]
that's the saiga 12-swat (that is apparently what it's actually called in russia). the magazine is 8 rounds.

on the saiga-12 forums, there've been all sorts of discussions but apparently mag-fed shotguns fall under a whole diff category from "assault" rifles. any detachable mag shotgun is limited to 5rds and you cannot have a folding stock. but you can have a pistol grip...plus, there's some bizarre, archane stuff about weight of the gun that figures in there somewhere...fucking atf...

having said that, the civ saiga12 is an amazingly sweet peice to shoot!
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 1:03:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/27/2004 1:06:38 PM EDT by fistpoint]

Originally Posted By hardcorps1775:
but apparently mag-fed shotguns fall under a whole diff category from "assault" rifles. any detachable mag shotgun is limited to 5rds and you cannot have a folding stock



NEGATIVE!

a semi-automatic shotgun that has at least two of the following:
• 1) a folding or telescoping stock;
• 2) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
• 3) a fixed magazine in excess of five rounds;
• 4) and an ability to accept a detachable magazine.

#3 clearly says a FIXED MAGAZINE in excess of 5 rounds...nothing about limiting rounds in a detachable mag.

Saiga's come with one evil feature, #4. No mention of capacity limitation, so any mag is LEGAL. Want a pistol grip? Fix the parts count and you're good to go.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 2:46:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fistpoint:

Originally Posted By hardcorps1775:
but apparently mag-fed shotguns fall under a whole diff category from "assault" rifles. any detachable mag shotgun is limited to 5rds and you cannot have a folding stock



NEGATIVE!

a semi-automatic shotgun that has at least two of the following:
• 1) a folding or telescoping stock;
• 2) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
• 3) a fixed magazine in excess of five rounds;
• 4) and an ability to accept a detachable magazine.

#3 clearly says a FIXED MAGAZINE in excess of 5 rounds...nothing about limiting rounds in a detachable mag.

Saiga's come with one evil feature, #4. No mention of capacity limitation, so any mag is LEGAL. Want a pistol grip? Fix the parts count and you're good to go.



But who does the conversions and who will sell the mags?

i gotta have one.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:25:55 PM EDT

Link Posted: 8/28/2004 8:35:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ekie:
img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/Saiga-12C03.jpg
img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/Saiga-12C01.jpg


Nice pics but they don't resemble the one in the photo.

Could you give some specs of the one in your pics?
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 8:50:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2004 8:58:05 AM EDT by Ekie]
The thread starter pic is a late model Saiga-12K, my pictures are of a early Saiga-12C. The C is standard length, while the K is the short barreled one. The Saiga-12C/K is in rapid evolution, so makes the subject confusing. Most of the updates are just variations in sights, bolt hold opens, and furniture, but the same base gun.

Here are the two together in training:



More pictures here:

russianarms.info/rushtm/photos/Gallery32/gallery.htm
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 9:28:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2004 9:32:25 AM EDT by mattld]

Originally Posted By Ekie:
The thread starter pic is a late model Saiga-12K, my pictures are of a early Saiga-12C. The C is standard length, while the K is the short barreled one. The Saiga-12C/K is in rapid evolution, so makes the subject confusing. Most of the updates are just variations in sights, bolt hold opens, and furniture, but the same base gun.

Here are the two together in training:

russianarms.info/rushtm/photos/Gallery32/photo%20278.jpg

More pictures here:

russianarms.info/rushtm/photos/Gallery32/gallery.htm


Gotcha. Thanks for the link.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:03:10 AM EDT
has anyone contacted eaa and asked if after sunset, they will offer mags for sale? i love saigas, have 2 myself, a shotgun is on my list but the 5 round cap had me bummed. i would buy one the day after sunset if i can get bigger mags. pistol gripped, big magged shotguns make my heart flutter.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 2:04:00 PM EDT
You could probably buy three for what one Benelli would cost. That is one bad ass looking shotgun.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 4:23:18 PM EDT
i thought the saiga12k had the skeleton stock, no mag well, and the standard saiga style forearm?

are any of these select fire? i can't quite make it out in the top pic...that would be fun (but quick)!
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 4:26:28 PM EDT
http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=242

i think they're interchangeable (s12-k/s12-swat)...
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