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Posted: 4/10/2011 12:59:10 PM EDT
Man, this is the best $700 I ever spent.  For the money, this is the most fun you can have with your clothes on.




Link Posted: 4/10/2011 1:42:41 PM EDT
your video just changed my plans.

- get draco
- add ace folder stock, add perm flash hider.
- send in paperwork

- shoot as rifle till paper work done, have sbr

thanks!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 4/10/2011 1:44:07 PM EDT
Good video.

Just FYI- SBR's are not subject to 922R.  Good selection of parts, anyway.
Link Posted: 4/10/2011 2:57:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bolster:
Good video.

Just FYI- SBR's are not subject to 922R.  Good selection of parts, anyway.


Are SBR's legal in IL?  I can't get a definitive on it.
Link Posted: 4/10/2011 3:06:12 PM EDT

Nice review and project.

Very cool, most of the Krink coolness, less money.
Link Posted: 4/10/2011 3:12:46 PM EDT
You KNOW I like it.


Good work, as usual.
Link Posted: 4/10/2011 5:14:44 PM EDT



Originally Posted By bolster:


Good video.



Just FYI- SBR's are not subject to 922R.  Good selection of parts, anyway.


People have posted letters from the ATF showing you don't need compliance parts and saying you do need compliance parts.  Personally, I'm playing it safe since the ATF doesn't even know where they stand on this issue.



 
Link Posted: 4/10/2011 5:16:25 PM EDT
That's just it, you can't beat the price of the gun after all is said and done.  $700 for a rifle, tax, and all conversion parts?  



I'm going to buy another Draco or two and sit on them.  One of these days the supplies will dry up and they will jump up in price.  



Heck, I might put an underfolder on one too, that would be too cool.
Link Posted: 4/10/2011 6:00:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/10/2011 6:02:35 PM EDT by dntama]
Originally Posted By FAC:

Originally Posted By bolster:
Good video.

Just FYI- SBR's are not subject to 922R.  Good selection of parts, anyway.

People have posted letters from the ATF showing you don't need compliance parts and saying you do need compliance parts.  Personally, I'm playing it safe since the ATF doesn't even know where they stand on this issue.
 


Since the Draco is a  pistol 922r should not apply. However who knows what happens when you turn it into a rifle. The BATF notified me that  an Arsenal Krink made from a 107UR needs to remain compliant. Fortunately keeping an AK  922r compliant is not hard.

Link Posted: 4/10/2011 6:08:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FAC:

Originally Posted By bolster:
Good video.

Just FYI- SBR's are not subject to 922R.  Good selection of parts, anyway.

People have posted letters from the ATF showing you don't need compliance parts and saying you do need compliance parts.  Personally, I'm playing it safe since the ATF doesn't even know where they stand on this issue.
 


I've seen the letters, too.  Nothing wrong with putting compliance parts on, just in case.

Link Posted: 4/10/2011 6:11:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/10/2011 6:13:30 PM EDT by FAC]





Originally Posted By dntama:





Originally Posted By FAC:
Originally Posted By bolster:


Good video.





Just FYI- SBR's are not subject to 922R.  Good selection of parts, anyway.



People have posted letters from the ATF showing you don't need compliance parts and saying you do need compliance parts.  Personally, I'm playing it safe since the ATF doesn't even know where they stand on this issue.


 






Since the Draco is a  pistol 922r should not apply. However who knows what happens when you turn it into a rifle. The BATF notified me that  an Arsenal Krink made from a 107UR needs to remain compliant. Fortunately keeping an AK  922r compliant is not hard.








Here's a letter from the ATF dated 2009.











As you can see, they say that any imported rifle, even an NFA rifle, must comply with 922r.  My assumption is that because I've turned it into a rifle, it plays by the rules of an imported rifle as it's built on a foreign set of parts.





That's why I went with the compliance parts.  I am playing it safe.





 
Link Posted: 4/10/2011 6:16:36 PM EDT
That is just awesome.  I was thinking my next NFA item might be a suppressor or SBS, but that may change.  I should at least buy a Draco and stick it in the safe for later.
Link Posted: 4/10/2011 6:25:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/10/2011 6:26:35 PM EDT by Exile]
well spent $700. Here are my three best priced NFA guns
$550 after stamp for this one

top SBS total after the stamp was $270 and the bottom was $400.

I added a bead sight to the top one since the picture
Link Posted: 4/10/2011 7:26:24 PM EDT
I'm really liking the underfolder.  I think I might pick up another Draco and stick an underfolder on it.



Thanks.  
Link Posted: 4/10/2011 7:41:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FAC:
I'm really liking the underfolder.  I think I might pick up another Draco and stick an underfolder on it.

Thanks.  


The one I have didn't come with an underfolder trunnion. Gotta say I do prefer the Ace side-folder.  I have one on my S-12 conversion.  The only problem I have had is that the mechanism is crazy stiff.  I had to put moly grease on it in a couple of places to get it to work as yours did in the video.
Link Posted: 4/10/2011 7:44:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By alemonkey:
That is just awesome.  I was thinking my next NFA item might be a suppressor or SBS, but that may change.  I should at least buy a Draco and stick it in the safe for later.


I did exactly that.  'Course, it only got to remain in the safe until the next range trip.  

Now just waiting for my change jar to fill tot he $200 mark & will send in SBR forms.
Link Posted: 4/10/2011 7:48:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By purevl2:
Originally Posted By bolster:
Good video.

Just FYI- SBR's are not subject to 922R.  Good selection of parts, anyway.


Are SBR's legal in IL?  I can't get a definitive on it.

Big no-no.
Link Posted: 4/11/2011 2:46:54 AM EDT
If I was still buying AKs, a Draco SBR would be high on the list without a doubt.
Link Posted: 4/11/2011 6:19:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cavscouty:
Originally Posted By purevl2:
Originally Posted By bolster:
Good video.

Just FYI- SBR's are not subject to 922R.  Good selection of parts, anyway.


Are SBR's legal in IL?  I can't get a definitive on it.

Big no-no.


I hate seeing threads like this when I can't havvy.  

Thanks for the info, though.
Link Posted: 4/16/2011 11:26:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By FAC:
That's just it, you can't beat the price of the gun after all is said and done.  $700 for a rifle, tax, and all conversion parts?  

I'm going to buy another Draco or two and sit on them.  One of these days the supplies will dry up and they will jump up in price.  

Heck, I might put an underfolder on one too, that would be too cool.



Better hurry up, the Mexican drug gangs are buying them up like crazy.  

Link Posted: 4/16/2011 7:04:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Exile:
well spent $700. Here are my three best priced NFA guns
$550 after stamp for this one
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m193/trentfroebe/DSC00683.jpg
top SBS total after the stamp was $270 and the bottom was $400.
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m193/trentfroebe/DSC00899.jpg
I added a bead sight to the top one since the picture


I'm really liking that cut down shotgun on top with the wood stocks.. That is sweet...

Link Posted: 4/18/2011 7:02:03 PM EDT
Thanks it's just a really old Wingmaster. I have it busted down right now. I shortened the stock about an inch. It makes it a little nicer when clearing rooms. Before it had more of a NATO length stock now it's more of a standard AK length.
Link Posted: 4/19/2011 2:00:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2011 2:01:54 PM EDT by 0uTkAsT]
Gotta agree, I love my Draco SBR so much that I bought a second Draco to make a non-SBR rifle out of. The SBR goes with me pretty much everywhere, fits right under the seat of my single cab truck and takes up no cargo room. Definitely one of my favorite rifles, if not THE favorite.  

Link Posted: 4/22/2011 7:33:25 AM EDT
Where can you get these Dracos?
Link Posted: 4/22/2011 9:19:08 AM EDT



Originally Posted By Accomplice1:


Where can you get these Dracos?


I think Atlantic Firearms has them.  Give them a shout.



 
Link Posted: 4/22/2011 11:48:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/22/2011 11:58:45 AM EDT by Howie_Phelterbush]





Originally Posted By FAC:



Man, this is the best $700 I ever spent.  For the money, this is the most fun you can have with your clothes on.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Da1r_quLMA



ok 2 things:





1. AMERICA er Union of Soviet Socialists Republics or whatever FUCK YEAH!!!!





2. change in plans. not gonna buy a saiga and convert it. gonna buy that instead!!!





 
Link Posted: 4/22/2011 11:55:07 AM EDT
well i mean really how expensiive is it to keep it 922r? the ace stock is US. a pistol grip is $10-20. a g2 kit what $30 these days? keep the muzzle attachment as us and you're ok. the hand guards just reduce the forgien parts content to 1 below max.



most of us could dig around in our parts bins and come up with a couple of the parts.





i was fence sitting on the draco till your video. the FS is indeed very effective. plus its 14x1 lh and not 24 x1.5 rh which means you have way more choices in muzzle devices.


Originally Posted By FAC:





Originally Posted By bolster:

Good video.



Just FYI- SBR's are not subject to 922R.  Good selection of parts, anyway.


People have posted letters from the ATF showing you don't need compliance parts and saying you do need compliance parts.  Personally, I'm playing it safe since the ATF doesn't even know where they stand on this issue.

 






 
Link Posted: 4/22/2011 12:24:41 PM EDT



Originally Posted By Howie_Phelterbush:


well i mean really how expensiive is it to keep it 922r? the ace stock is US. a pistol grip is $10-20. a g2 kit what $30 these days? keep the muzzle attachment as us and you're ok. the hand guards just reduce the forgien parts content to 1 below max.



most of us could dig around in our parts bins and come up with a couple of the parts.





i was fence sitting on the draco till your video. the FS is indeed very effective. plus its 14x1 lh and not 24 x1.5 rh which means you have way more choices in muzzle devices.


Originally Posted By FAC:




Originally Posted By bolster:

Good video.



Just FYI- SBR's are not subject to 922R.  Good selection of parts, anyway.


People have posted letters from the ATF showing you don't need compliance parts and saying you do need compliance parts.  Personally, I'm playing it safe since the ATF doesn't even know where they stand on this issue.

 




 


That's just it, my gun became 922r compliant because of the mods I was going to do anyway.  Not much of an issue really.



 
Link Posted: 4/22/2011 12:49:08 PM EDT
I did the same 922r dance. Swapped followers around my mags just to be sure.
Link Posted: 4/23/2011 4:17:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/23/2011 4:18:08 PM EDT by 0uTkAsT]
My Draco SBR is 922(r) compliant as long as there's a US mag inserted in it... Stupidest law ever, and the chances of some gun Nazi checking and/or questioning your parts count is 1:1,000,000, but it's still law, so play it safe.
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 5:55:13 PM EDT
I hate bringing up old threads but I figure this is best place to ask.  Who did you do as the manufacturer?  Did you put down century or romarm sa/cugir?  I figure CAI since they imported them but I'm not sure.
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 5:57:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Krazy8:
I hate bringing up old threads but I figure this is best place to ask.  Who did you do as the manufacturer?  Did you put down century or romarm sa/cugir?  I figure CAI since they imported them but I'm not sure.


CAI since they are the importer.  That's my understanding of it.
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 6:59:44 PM EDT
I kinda figured.  Thank you.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 6:43:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Accomplice1:
Where can you get these Dracos?


Draco Prices/Availability
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 6:44:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By FAC:
Man, this is the best $700 I ever spent.  For the money, this is the most fun you can have with your clothes on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Da1r_quLMA


Solid review, one of the best I have seen in a while.
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