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Posted: 5/21/2005 9:41:15 AM EDT
NOW I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT PUT SCOPES ON THEIR AK'S AND CUSTOM BUILD SAIGAS IN TO AK SNIPERS.....SO LETS SEE UM.....I NEED IDEAS FOR A BUILD....THANKS TO ALL AND TO ALL A GOOD HUNT....
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 9:54:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/21/2005 9:54:40 AM EDT by TheRedHorseman]
OMG TEH CAPZ L0KZ IS ON!!1!11!

seriously turn it off and redo the question because I honestly cant decipher it
ETA: AK sniper is a pretty short range sniper rifle.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 9:58:39 AM EDT
YEAH.... ME LIKES THE CAPS..................AND ANYWAY I KNOW THAT AK ARE SHORT RANGE....BUT JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT IS OUT THERE....ALOT OF PEOPLE PUT SCOPES ON THEIR AKS....HECK I USE A WASR10 WITH PSL STOCK AND PSO.....IVE GOTTEN TWO MULIES WITH IT SO FAR.......
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 10:02:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By S-N-I-P-E-R-T-A-Z:
YEAH.... ME LIKES THE CAPS..................AND ANYWAY I KNOW THAT AK ARE SHORT RANGE....BUT JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT IS OUT THERE....ALOT OF PEOPLE PUT SCOPES ON THEIR AKS....HECK I USE A WASR10 WITH PSL STOCK AND PSO.....IVE GOTTEN TWO MULIES WITH IT SO FAR.......



you like them the rest of us are probably going to ignore you for it however.

a scoped AK is not a "sniper rifle" a rifle being operated by a trained sniper is. the 7.62x39 makes for a dismal sniper round due to crappy loading in the ammo and the fact that it drops like a rock past 200 meters. it does however make for a great short range deer round.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 11:41:09 AM EDT
OMG D00DZ, TEH AYKAY IZ TEH B0MB-AZZ SN4YP3RSK4Y4 K4RB1N3! 3Y3 0NC3 ENG4G3D S0m3 F00l OUt T00 130 f33t, K1CKeD hIS 4SZ.

No more caps.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 11:55:01 AM EDT
iv gotta scope on mine but im not showing it to any body!!!
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 12:02:28 PM EDT
ALL CAPS IS ALMOST AS BAD AS sWiTChInG bEtWeEn CaPiTaL LeTtErS AnD LoWer cAsE eVeRy OtHeR lEtTeR.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 1:31:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By S-N-I-P-E-R-T-A-Z:
YEAH.... ME LIKES THE CAPS..................AND ANYWAY I KNOW THAT AK ARE SHORT RANGE....BUT JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT IS OUT THERE....ALOT OF PEOPLE PUT SCOPES ON THEIR AKS....HECK I USE A WASR10 WITH PSL STOCK AND PSO.....IVE GOTTEN TWO MULIES WITH IT SO FAR.......



you like them the rest of us are probably going to ignore you for it however.

a scoped AK is not a "sniper rifle" a rifle being operated by a trained sniper is. the 7.62x39 makes for a dismal sniper round due to crappy loading in the ammo and the fact that it drops like a rock past 200 meters. it does however make for a great short range deer round.



What is interesting however is that U.S. snipers in Iraq report that almost all of their shot are under 200m.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 1:42:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/21/2005 1:42:45 PM EDT by dvr9]

Originally Posted By Belloc:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By S-N-I-P-E-R-T-A-Z:
YEAH.... ME LIKES THE CAPS..................AND ANYWAY I KNOW THAT AK ARE SHORT RANGE....BUT JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT IS OUT THERE....ALOT OF PEOPLE PUT SCOPES ON THEIR AKS....HECK I USE A WASR10 WITH PSL STOCK AND PSO.....IVE GOTTEN TWO MULIES WITH IT SO FAR.......



you like them the rest of us are probably going to ignore you for it however.

a scoped AK is not a "sniper rifle" a rifle being operated by a trained sniper is. the 7.62x39 makes for a dismal sniper round due to crappy loading in the ammo and the fact that it drops like a rock past 200 meters. it does however make for a great short range deer round.



What is interesting however is that U.S. snipers in Iraq report that almost all of their shot are under 200m.



Yeah, but I challenge ANYONE to consistantly hit someone in the eyeball at 200meters with an AK. That is the difference. The AK-47 is an effective spray and pray weapon. An accurate Lead Delivery Sniper Platform it is not.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 1:46:45 PM EDT
Yes but it's suprising how many people can't believe their AK is a 4 moa weapon !!

Link Posted: 5/21/2005 1:48:16 PM EDT
This is why the Russians use 7.62x54r in the SVD and other Sniper Rifles.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 1:53:49 PM EDT
AK sniper rifle? Is that the rifle you use when your scoped, gold plated desert eagle with a bipod runs out of ammo? AKs are for poor people, not snipers.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 1:55:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jugrunner:
Yes but it's suprising how many people can't believe their AK is a 4 moa weapon !!




At 200 meters with mil/surp or mil issue ammo? You're kidding right? If not, I need to re-evaluate an AK.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 1:55:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JohnReich:
AK sniper rifle? Is that the rifle you use when your scoped, gold plated desert eagle with a bipod runs out of ammo? AKs are for poor people, not snipers.



Exactly.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 2:11:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dvr9:

Originally Posted By jugrunner:
Yes but it's suprising how many people can't believe their AK is a 4 moa weapon !!




At 200 meters with mil/surp or mil issue ammo? You're kidding right? If not, I need to re-evaluate an AK.



well, that means it's mechanically capable of shooting an 8-inch group at 200 meters... that seems like pretty typical AK accuracy to me
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 2:15:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sic_ness:

Originally Posted By dvr9:

Originally Posted By jugrunner:
Yes but it's suprising how many people can't believe their AK is a 4 moa weapon !!




At 200 meters with mil/surp or mil issue ammo? You're kidding right? If not, I need to re-evaluate an AK.



well, that means it's mechanically capable of shooting an 8-inch group at 200 meters... that seems like pretty typical AK accuracy to me



I am aware of that. I just haven't seen it done that's all.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 4:31:28 PM EDT
Well i love AK's but super accurate they are not nor are they "sniper-rifles".............................................. but i have considered a 4x PSO for a sub 125yard deer gun
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 6:19:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/21/2005 6:21:13 PM EDT by jnewt]
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 6:20:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 6:23:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/21/2005 6:25:05 PM EDT by jnewt]
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 6:25:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dvr9:

Originally Posted By sic_ness:

Originally Posted By dvr9:

Originally Posted By jugrunner:
Yes but it's suprising how many people can't believe their AK is a 4 moa weapon !!




At 200 meters with mil/surp or mil issue ammo? You're kidding right? If not, I need to re-evaluate an AK.



well, that means it's mechanically capable of shooting an 8-inch group at 200 meters... that seems like pretty typical AK accuracy to me



I am aware of that. I just haven't seen it done that's all.




The 5.45mm rifles can get to (and under) the 4 MOA figure you're quoting. I will agree that I haven't seen the 7.62 AKs do it though. Maybe the VEPRs or Saigas or better grade AKs?
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 6:39:50 PM EDT
I have a 3 X 9 power Leupold scope on my Sar-2 (5.45 X 39) rifle and was getting 2-3 MOA. This is with letting the barrel cool off between shots. I was very impressed. Ammo was Barnaul 55 grain soft points.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 7:25:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jnewt:

www.newtonfirearms.com/main/plugins/p17_image_gallery/images/72.jpg






Very nice indeed.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 8:44:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/21/2005 8:45:58 PM EDT by TheRealSundance]
I use a posp 4x24 scope on my Sar-1. It's an awsome combo.

I do shoot the "Mini Pin" competitions, but I also just "Practice Shoot" at an Outdoor Public Range (100 yds). As far as your first statement, I have 4 friends (witnesses) that would agree with YOU about an AK being a sniper rifle! I shot a FRESH "RED" APPLE (Try THAT with a "RED DOT"! I DARE YOU!) that was sitting on the ground, at 100 YDS., and I put "30 RDS" into it, WHILE IT WAS STILL ROLLING!

This was all done with Wolf ammo. Man, that stuff is the shit!
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 8:49:28 PM EDT
I don't know about "sniper" but within 100 meters witha 4 power scope and a full clip MAGAZINE, TeH running deer are dead meat!

Link Posted: 5/21/2005 8:55:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/21/2005 8:56:12 PM EDT by TheRedHorseman]
t3h Sn1p3r aK pWn3s t3h n0obz L0lz r0fl 0mg11!!1
c0Unt3R Str1K3 1s t3H R0xXor!!1!
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 8:59:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/21/2005 9:00:01 PM EDT by 1Gunner]
I put a scope on a railed receiver cover on my AK when I was young and didn't know any better

railed receiver covers! man I was stupid
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 9:40:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
t3h Sn1p3r aK pWn3s t3h n0obz L0lz r0fl 0mg11!!1
c0Unt3R Str1K3 1s t3H R0xXor!!1!



Honestly I have absolutely NO IDEA what you were trying to convey. Damn, I feel old, I am sure my sons would have no problem deciphering what you typed there.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 9:45:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRealSundance:
I use a posp 4x24 scope on my Sar-1. It's an awsome combo.

I do shoot the "Mini Pin" competitions, but I also just "Practice Shoot" at an Outdoor Public Range (100 yds). As far as your first statement, I have 4 friends (witnesses) that would agree with YOU about an AK being a sniper rifle! I shot a FRESH "RED" APPLE (Try THAT with a "RED DOT"! I DARE YOU!) that was sitting on the ground, at 100 YDS., and I put "30 RDS" into it, WHILE IT WAS STILL ROLLING!

This was all done with Wolf ammo. Man, that stuff is the shit!



He's baaaaaaaack!
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 9:46:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dalesimpson:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
t3h Sn1p3r aK pWn3s t3h n0obz L0lz r0fl 0mg11!!1
c0Unt3R Str1K3 1s t3H R0xXor!!1!



Honestly I have absolutely NO IDEA what you were trying to convey. Damn, I feel old, I am sure my sons would have no problem deciphering what you typed there.



the sniper ak owns the noobs
counter strike rocks

I cant believe that I even managed to do that
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 11:01:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/21/2005 11:06:08 PM EDT by santanatwo]
instead of giving the man a fish, why don't you teach him how to get his own.

LEET speak

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet

it can be as differnt ad substituting a 4 for an A (they look similar. Or as weird as spelling half a sentence with /\ [ | % //\|//| and stuff like that.

E = 3

H = #

K = %

| \/\/ ||| %||| U = I will kill you

/\|| U N33d is |u \ / 3 = all you need is love

etc, use your imagination.

Link Posted: 5/22/2005 7:40:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
t3h Sn1p3r aK pWn3s t3h n0obz L0lz r0fl 0mg11!!1
c0Unt3R Str1K3 1s t3H R0xXor!!1!



I don't know which is worse...the eye strain from trying to read that or the migraine the eyestrain is giving me.
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 7:45:10 AM EDT
oh yeah and it can only be a true "sniper" AK if you have a collapseable AR15 stock on it.

and you need an AR15 style pistol grip, and an A2 flash hider. otherwise its just not a "sniper" ready rifle
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 7:47:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gunnut003:

Originally Posted By TheRealSundance:
I use a posp 4x24 scope on my Sar-1. It's an awsome combo.

I do shoot the "Mini Pin" competitions, but I also just "Practice Shoot" at an Outdoor Public Range (100 yds). As far as your first statement, I have 4 friends (witnesses) that would agree with YOU about an AK being a sniper rifle! I shot a FRESH "RED" APPLE (Try THAT with a "RED DOT"! I DARE YOU!) that was sitting on the ground, at 100 YDS., and I put "30 RDS" into it, WHILE IT WAS STILL ROLLING!

This was all done with Wolf ammo. Man, that stuff is the shit!



He's baaaaaaaack!




Opps, It was 200 yards!
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 9:44:37 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 9:46:30 AM EDT
One Helluva a Damn Apple I'd say ........

One more time ....

Link Posted: 5/22/2005 9:46:56 AM EDT
Well guess I'll throw my 2 cents in.

The most "Accurate" 7.62x39mm AK I've ever seen was a NHM-91 with a side-mounted non-military hunting scope. ( I forget the brand )

It easily shot 2-3" groups at 200 yards with Chinese FMJ ammo ( was a few years ago ). This was shot from a bench at a range with the AK resting on sandbags.

Supposedly IRAQ made a scoped long barrel 7.62x39mm "sniper" AK. I've seen a few pics here and there. While it's not exactly a sniper weapon, I would not like to be a trooper over there being shot at with one in the hands of a somewhat "good shot" rebel insurgent.
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 9:50:40 AM EDT
I'd really hate to be an Apple .....

Link Posted: 5/22/2005 10:19:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/22/2005 10:20:58 AM EDT by Onepoint]
What kind of apple was it? I want to make sure and avoid those to save my teeth.
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 10:24:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/22/2005 10:26:40 AM EDT by legonas]
apples turn into applesauce long before 30rnds. and applesauce is tasty delecious.
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 10:48:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 1Gunner:
I put a scope on a railed receiver cover on my AK when I was young and didn't know any better

railed receiver covers! man I was stupid


It must not of been one of the sweet tri rail mounts
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 12:46:24 PM EDT
It must have been a pumpkin/apple easier to hit @ distance!
h=85%

Originally Posted By Onepoint:
What kind of apple was it? I want to make sure and avoid those to save my teeth. hr
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 1:58:37 PM EDT
actually, after the first hit, it would be realatively easy to hit it again, as it would be spread out over a 10 foot radius... rather hard to miss teh apple after that. I would say ...
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 2:17:58 PM EDT
Maybe it was one of those apples they have on the cover of Weekly World News that is 10 feet across.
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 3:41:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By santanatwo:
actually, after the first hit, it would be realatively easy to hit it again, as it would be spread out over a 10 foot radius... rather hard to miss teh apple after that. I would say ...




Not if you hit it in ther same hole!
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 6:31:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 7:55:49 PM EDT
Me, I have a Zeiss Diavari on my WASR10. Action cover mount of course. It's fabulous, I can stare deep into the beady eyes of the creature I'm completely missing at 500 yards.
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 8:22:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/22/2005 8:27:31 PM EDT by santanatwo]
t#@t ${ [] p 3 1$ t3# $#!4 I once took my 2 MOA sks with open sights, put a receiver cover mount and a 4 power on it, and turned it into a 12 MOA sniper rifle. but at least it still shot better than that 303 british I had, where you could drop a bullet down the barrle and hear it rattle it's way down, it was about a 1000 MOA scoped out sniper rifle.
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 9:53:08 PM EDT
Doesn't "Sniper" mean "firing from cover"?

After all, the sniper in Full Metal Jacket used an AK.

I saw it in a movie, it MUST be true! its just a step less authoritative then the internet!
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 9:56:45 PM EDT
What kind of stock is that on the Saiga above?
Link Posted: 5/23/2005 3:56:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/23/2005 3:57:26 AM EDT by jjniven]
OMG SNIPER!!! ACTUAL OMG! PICS! WTF SNIPER IN IRAQ? TEH MAGIC CARPET PWNZORZ J00 NOOBS~

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