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Posted: 9/7/2004 3:57:11 PM EDT
Just got the new SOG catalog today, and they are advertising .22lr AK trainers. Anyone got the scoop on these? The picture sucks, all you can really see is the silhouette - the only thing you can see for certain is that is appears to use a metal .223 mag with a .22lr insert (10 rounds). Maybe old news, but I can say that I've heard of these before. At $300, doubtless some will say you can get a centerfire for that price and never have to worry about spare parts of magazines, but seems pretty neat.

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Yeah, I'd like a link or scanned pic too. I get SOG's catalogs, but I haven't received mine yet. A German or Romanian AK22 trainer would be a cool addition to the collection.

take care,
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Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:34:11 PM EDT
Wow, that's something of a major developement if they really are AK-action and in .22LR. Not only have I never heard of them, but I never thought a real .22 AK trainer would ever be imported in a legal semi-auto configuration.

Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:43:45 PM EDT
Thanks! Wow...bizarre pic. It almost looks like a something SOG made in Photoshop from a FAL/AK composite. I'll have to see a better pic to make a final call...apparently it might be a RATMIL training rifle, but not sure what's up with that stock and grip.

take care,
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 6:03:02 AM EDT
Well, when i goto work today, I am ordering one.. If it's not up to snuff I can send it back...
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Originally Posted By CAMPYBOB:
shotar, pick me up a german .22 mag if you see one local (show at medina this weekend...i might go). i'll buy it from you and try it and/or modify it to suit.

who knows if the bolts are the same?

sog's got a pretty good return policy.

i just wonder if these are 5.45 bbls. or .22 rimfire bore jobs????

the folks at sog were (as usuall) clueless or playing stupid.

notice the 'odd' grip and stock in the pic? black polymer? huh? probably cheap plastic 'toy' crap...but, we will see. i never hold my breath on these things...but, you how much i like rimfires! lots of fun there!

forgot to add:

my guess is that these are not actuall training rifles, but rather are models designed for civilian sale. again...time will tell.

looks like the "SAW" type grip that tapco and othersell. Proibably an added american part for parts compliance.
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Originally Posted By CAMPYBOB:
i can't imagine it needing american made parts. i doubt there are high capicity magazines in existence.

Actually now that you mention it, would rimefires even fall under the 89 importban? I'm not sure. My understanding was that it still has a detachable magazine, and a protruding pistol grip, and such so it could still fall under the import ban. And the only rimfires excluded from the import or AW bans(IIRC) were tube fed guns. I'm not really all that up on the import ban though so I'm not sure.

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Ya know I wish I had the cash to order one just because it would be cool as shit to be able to go out and tree rat hunt with an AR in .22lr and an AK in .22lr
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I have high-hopes, but part of me sees M69 trainers with random AK parts glued/welded on after importation...

We are gonna have to get pics once you guys get yours.
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I laughed out loud at that.... four times!
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 11:44:18 AM EDT

Tagged. I want to get all the updates on this one.

Link Posted: 9/8/2004 12:59:33 PM EDT
...Why do I have the feeling someone got their hands on an Armcorp and some AK parts???



"I make rare collector piece!"
"Good work, Javier, good work."
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 1:29:01 PM EDT
Hmmmm - I dunno. If the picture is an accurate representation of the rifle, even as only a silhouette, I don't think it can be an modified armscorp. The back of the receiver is straight, not angled, and it is missing the magwell protrusion on the bottom of the receiver as the armscorp has. And while I certainly wouldn't put it past Century to cobble something together, I don't think SOG is that sort of outfit - I don't recall them doing anything other than reselling, and they're the only place I've seen these (at least so far).

The stock and PG do look FAL'ish, though - although even that doesn't seem quite right. The hump in the stock seems to start a bit late for any of the FAL stocks I'm familiar with.

Of course, they could have just photoshopped a an SAR-3 with a weird stock - .223, .22lr, close enough, right?

Link Posted: 9/8/2004 1:29:44 PM EDT

Updates when it arrives, please!

Link Posted: 9/8/2004 1:42:12 PM EDT
Tagged for updates.
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Tagged for an update. Campy, the $5 check is in the mail.
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Thanks Campy for taking point on this one!

Where do I send the $5 ???
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 9:03:24 PM EDT
When is your rifle due in?
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FYI , I was googling yesterday and Romania does indeed make a .22 ak semi auto trainer to mimic there .223 and 5.45 AKs.
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 11:28:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Triangle-66:
FYI , I was googling yesterday and Romania does indeed make a .22 ak semi auto trainer to mimic there .223 and 5.45 AKs.

Got a link or anything like that?
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 11:53:25 AM EDT
What company is SOG? Link?

Other wise I very curious about this rifle.
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 4:21:05 PM EDT
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