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9/22/2017 12:11:25 AM
Posted: 11/15/2003 8:39:33 PM EDT
What's the deal with these? I was thinking about getting one, but im not sure... any opinions? For what I've read, they are "ak's on steroids" that shoot a 7.62x 54R, and get about 2 moa, or less with better ammo. AIM has them for about $775,a fraction of the price of a real dragunov.... but is it worth it?
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 9:07:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/15/2003 9:11:15 PM EDT by DarthZeth]
i recall reading somewhere that they are a copy of a rip off of a dragonov?

*EDIT*
here's where:
What is a Romak 3?

A Romak 3 is a post-ban Romanian semi-automatic PSL clone (The PSL is a Romanian rifle that is similar to the Dragunov) . Commonly advertised as a Dragunov clone, these rifles use an entirely different recoil system (the same system the AK uses) then the Dragunov. This rifle has the thumbhole skeleton stock and can accept detachable 10 round magazines made for the Dragunov or Romanian PSL. It uses the high power 7.62*54mm cartridge. At the end of the barrel is a compensator that works quite well. This rifle commonly comes with the Romanian PSO-1 scope. The fit and finish of this rifle can range from average to poor, mainly because of the ugly finish on the wood. The FCG is close to the one included with all original Romanian AK's. You can replace the FCG with the one from RSA for a better two-stage trigger. I believe this rifle is 100% Romanian with no US parts(don't quote me though, if you know email me ASAP). The advantages of this rifle are that with proper ammunition it can group nicely, it is reliable, it is well balance, and its looks impress every one at the range. This is a nice rifle if you want some thing close to the Russian Dragunov. At about $800 dollars a pop though you can buy a bolt-action rifle that is a lot more accurate. Don't pay over $900 for one of these.
linx310.nothingbutguns.com/model2.htm
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 9:20:15 PM EDT
Other than a flaky bolt hold open (that I know im just gonna dremel off) its a nice litte rifle. Its VERY well balanced and almost feels like you're handling a 10-22 when ya pick it up.

Upgrading to the RSA trigger and putting some 1P21 glass on it should be considered mandatory.
Link Posted: 11/16/2003 3:17:45 AM EDT
Everyone flames this rifle and I do not see why. yes ot os an RPK rip off. Who cares.

My dad has one and it is one of the nicest shooting rifles I have ever seen. He replaced the 4X scope with and 8X, and added the RSA trigger group. It shoots just under MOA with a little practice. He uses Yugo surpluss in it.

I would feel confident to use it as a "sniper" rifle out to abot 700M, not just a squad support rifle.

As much as I dislike Inter Ordnance, they do have a much better deal on the rifle. They have it with the 8X scope already on, for only about $700.

Yes the rifle is worth it. It has good ballance and handling to it, good ammo is cheap, and it is accurate as hell.

Link Posted: 11/16/2003 3:37:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/16/2003 3:40:17 AM EDT by krinkfreak]
I like my Romak 3....and agree about the bolt hold open device...flimsy and not rugged at all.

KF





Link Posted: 11/16/2003 6:22:35 AM EDT
The PSL is not a SVD "dragunov" clone. The PSL is a Kalishnikov design. The Dragunov was designed by Evgenity Dragunov. The PSL lost out to Dragunov and was never built by the former Soviet Union. By the way the PSL/Romak 3 will not accept SVD mags.
Link Posted: 11/16/2003 11:13:09 AM EDT
I've never heard that it was originally a Soviet design.

It's a Romanian rifle based on the AKM/RPK and designed for the same role as the SVD.

It's no more a "copy" then any other AK-type built outside Russia.

It is an issue weapon in the Romanian military, and has seen use in combat, so it is legitimate.
Link Posted: 11/16/2003 11:47:44 AM EDT
Please forgive my ignorance, but where has the Romak 3 seen combat? I know there was an armed revolt a few years ago, is that what you are talking about?
Link Posted: 11/16/2003 11:52:49 AM EDT
Hanschen are you new to the board?
Link Posted: 11/16/2003 12:07:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/16/2003 12:12:52 PM EDT by krinkfreak]

Originally Posted By Hanschen_klein:
Please forgive my ignorance, but where has the Romak 3 seen combat? I know there was an armed revolt a few years ago, is that what you are talking about?



Here you go......and welcome to the board.

KF



Link Posted: 11/16/2003 12:25:45 PM EDT
Thanks for all the info.... Hanschen, i think there are some in use in Afghanistan, with some of the Romanian troops there. Im willing to bet its one of the few places that there would be soldiers with SVD's fighting soldiers with Romaks... Also, I recall seeing a picture of one being used in some South American country (i can't remember where exactly)...maybe that was during the armed revolt?
Link Posted: 11/16/2003 12:40:43 PM EDT
The PSL was originally a Soviet Kalishnikov design.
Link Posted: 11/16/2003 1:18:47 PM EDT
Hello KrinkFreak, i have been watching this board for a while so i could learn and not look stupid when i started to post.

I was about to sign up a month or so ago when a big fight broke out between you guys and some other people from another forum. i decided to wait until it had passed, i didn't want to jump into the middle of a fight.

Thanks for the pictures. Do you know if the first one is in Iraq? Maybe Israel?

I did not know Romanian troops were fighting in the middle east with us either. Its good to see that we have a few allies.

Crazy Monkey, the armed revolt i was talking about was in Romania about 10 years ago. I remember seeing some pretty bad fighting on the news.
Link Posted: 11/16/2003 1:25:41 PM EDT
The first picture is a gang of Palestinians in Israel.

KF
Link Posted: 11/16/2003 1:31:36 PM EDT
Picture #1 looks like a group of Palestinians in the Israeli OCUPIED territory.

Picture #2 - Romanian Army troops on peace keeping duty in Afghanistan.
Link Posted: 11/16/2003 1:34:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/16/2003 1:49:35 PM EDT by CAMPYBOB]
Link Posted: 11/16/2003 3:24:47 PM EDT
I believe most any Romanian infantry squad has at least one PSL in it, in a similar arrangment to the Russians and the SVD.

With that being the case, any fighting which has involved Romanian troops has probably involved the PSL as well.
Link Posted: 11/16/2003 3:25:01 PM EDT
Here is my ROMAK3.. I love it. I shoot wolf FMJ 148 grain in it for plinking and for deer hunting I'll use the softpoint S&B 208 grain.
Since this picture was taken I've added a Harris bipod. The mags are a pain in the ass to find,,, But over all a very enjoyable shooter..

Link Posted: 11/16/2003 4:53:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/16/2003 4:54:29 PM EDT by ASNixon]
Found a 1998 Romak for $599.00 w/ 8x24 scope, 4 10rnd mags, and the reloading dies. Is that a good price? Looks in excellent shape.

Link Posted: 11/16/2003 5:06:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ASNixon:
Found a 1998 Romak for $599.00 w/ 8x24 scope, 4 10rnd mags, and the reloading dies. Is that a good price? Looks in excellent shape.




Yes.
Link Posted: 11/16/2003 6:04:48 PM EDT
Stokes, where did you get the black handguard? It looks really nice with the black furniture.
Link Posted: 11/17/2003 2:54:24 AM EDT
I sand blasted the hanguards and buttstock to get all the old varnish coating off then I painted both with rino guard truck bedliner...

Same for the handguards on the SA-93 below it.


PS....I think it looks better black also.....
Link Posted: 11/17/2003 10:25:24 AM EDT
how different is the Dragunov from an kalashnikov?


oh, and does anyone have any sort of armoror's guide (in english) for an AK? all i can find is a US Army Operator's Manual and a century arms (i think) manual. I've got too much geek in me. i want to take it ALL the way apart to see how it works :)

lucky, i don't have so much geek in me that i'd do it with out instructions ;)
Link Posted: 11/17/2003 10:49:00 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/17/2003 10:59:21 AM EDT
"the gas system is short stroke impulse"

is that like the M14?
Link Posted: 11/17/2003 2:30:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AWStokes:
Here is my ROMAK3.. I love it. I shoot wolf FMJ 148 grain in it for plinking and for deer hunting I'll use the softpoint S&B 208 grain.
Since this picture was taken I've added a Harris bipod. The mags are a pain in the ass to find,,, But over all a very enjoyable shooter..

www.hunt101.com/img/028759.jpg



I have hear heavy loads can damage the rifle. I read where several Romak-3's were damaged shooting heavyweight loads. I was told to stick to the sub 150 grain stuff.
Link Posted: 11/17/2003 2:33:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DarthZeth:
"the gas system is short stroke impulse"

is that like the M14?



Closer to the FAL
Link Posted: 11/17/2003 2:45:53 PM EDT
well i'll just have to buy myself a FAL

you know... for education purposes...
Link Posted: 11/18/2003 4:41:37 AM EDT
yeah I have heard about the heavy loads also but what I heard was that was a case of using them exclusively,, I wrote to wolf allot... requesting them to come out with the 148 grain bullet and allot of other people from the SVD board as well...because of this.


But I actually know a couple of people who shoot the old 160,,180,,208 grain surplus in them and have never had a single problem..the only good softpoint is the S&B


So I'm not to sure just what causes the damaged claimed to happen.. could be a lot of bad parts,, It could actually be the wieght of the grain is to much for the design to handle.. I personally have never seen one of the damged rilfes nor and example,,, just hearsay..is all I've ran across..
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