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Posted: 8/30/2004 4:21:20 PM EST
Had a talk with Meeper about building one. How do you guys think this would perform? Out of a 16" AR they appear to be good out to 500 yards with practice, or so I have read. How about a 24" heavy barreled RPK? Worth doing one? Still need to talk with him to see if his build may be able to use the 50 round Galil mags, in theory that may allow me to fit 17 rounds of the .50 cal in a mag.
Taipan
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 5:35:45 PM EST
Don't really see the point of the .50 upper for a AR, let alone converting anything else...
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 5:50:23 PM EST
A .50 Beowulf is .45/70 performance in a semi-auto. A while back there was a company making FALs in .50 Beowulf. www.falfiles.com
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 8:11:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/30/2004 8:12:46 PM EST by Taipan]

Originally Posted By gotm4:
A .50 Beowulf is .45/70 performance in a semi-auto. A while back there was a company making FALs in .50 Beowulf. www.falfiles.com



Yep that would be Vern Smith aka Meeper, he did the AK in .50cal too. So am I the only one who thinks this would be cool? It just seemed to me that it fit more in a RPK configuration than a standard AK. SAW of sorts in an overwhelmingly devastating round. I had thoughts of using a Global Trades receiver for the build. I asked Vern about using a milled receiver he answered that I could use one. Need to ask him more about that. Do you think the milled receiver could aid a little with recoil? Milled, Muzzle Brake, RPK buttstock, and the 24" heavy barrel should make it fairly manageable, right?
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 8:41:01 PM EST
Sounds like a interesting project as long as someone else is footing the ammo bill.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 8:42:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/30/2004 8:55:26 PM EST by Adena65]
Could someone better explain .50 Beowulf to me to me without a search? Similar or same as 12.7x48 or similar? I was looking at a custoooom Remington 700 in the aforementioned that just took my breath away.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 9:11:47 PM EST
Notes from Defense Review .com:

The .50 Beowulf Entry carbine launches a 325-400 grain half-inch slug downrange at 1900-2000 fps. Now, without doing the actual math, that translates to some serious energy numbers. Suffice it to say, the .499 cal. is one powerful little pellet.

The .50 Beowulf would appear to render body armor fairly irrelevant. Even if the .499 caliber round failed to penetrate the armor, who cares? That 325-400 grain round would hit the target with so much energy/force, it would probably take all the fight right out of the badguy, penetration or not.

Beowulf .50 compared to a .223


Other note from Gunblast.com with pic:As this "exit wound" in a 10-inch treated wood post shows, the accuracy of the .50 Beowulf is matched by its power! Author considers the .50 Beowulf to be one of the best things to ever happen to the AR-15 design.



Link Posted: 8/30/2004 9:31:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/30/2004 9:46:25 PM EST by Adena65]
Woo-Hoo! Thanks for the comparison pics, that's just dandy! Let me dig thru my files and show ya this bad boy I've got it bad for. Reminds me more of a giant .45 ACP but you should enjoy it...(I'll try to edit and add to this post so as not to mess with your thread too much)

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Hope these all load and work, never tried to post this much stuff. It's a bad-azz rifle, novel cartridge for sure!
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 10:13:10 PM EST
Videos. Oh man, I want! Their sales pitch is it's quiet factor, I could live without the muffler..$$.

www.autoweapons.com/gunpics/movies/50calboom.mpg

www.autoweapons.com/gunpics/movies/583short.mpg

Too ...
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 10:28:18 PM EST
LOL those videos are pretty impressive. Whats the bullet comparrison photo of? Which rounds?
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 10:37:58 PM EST
7.62x51 NATO

12.8x48 API

12.8x48 Hornady IMAX

.50 BMG API

I've been junkin' out on that unit! Inquiry sent regarding a non-muffled unit, I think a good brake would negate recoil even more so and make one helluva bang.

Damn the internet!
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 11:38:30 PM EST
Yeah, I'll agree about the internet, lol. I had ben thinking about a RPK74 for a few weeks, at was here at work one night bored off my butt (no codes or ANYTHING) and ended up ordering the barrel assembly and most of the parts from KVAR after just going to the sight to look at it. I can't wait til its built.

Back to the RPK.50 I'll be real interested to see what the morning guys have to say......Taipan
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 1:30:46 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 1:44:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/31/2004 1:46:47 AM EST by gotm4]

Originally Posted By Adena65:
Could someone better explain .50 Beowulf to me to me without a search? Similar or same as 12.7x48 or similar? I was looking at a custoooom Remington 700 in the aforementioned that just took my breath away.



A .50 Beowulf is basically a .50 Action Express but it just longer. It uses .50 cal pistol bullets just as the .50 AE and .500 S&W. New ammo is $20-40 per 20 rounds but if you reload its about 1/4 to 1/3 that (get a brass catcher too). So far I've loaded only 325gr loads. But they do make 325gr, 334gr and 400gr bullets. Alexander Arms uses a 7.62x39mm bolt in a regular carrier, an AR upper with the dust door removed and the ejection port opened up and their .50 Beowulf barrel, it'll fit on any AR lower carbine or rifle stock. It uses regular 20-30 round mags, sometimes they need the feed lips modified but I haven't had to bend any yet.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 1:51:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By krinkfreak:
Hmmmmmmmm........I'm all about Project "X" type weapons.

So how about the barrel? Magazines? Ammo? Bolt face?

Why not go with a .308 RPK instead?

KF



The barrel would be US made (cool another US part) by Meeper out of a .50 blank), magazines that he used were SAR-3 Weigners (sp?), but any AK 5.56 mags should work. Thats why I want to talk with Meeper to see if I could use steel Galil mags, for the extra capacity . Standard AKM bolt face is what the Beowulf was designed around. Ammo....comercially available although I would definitly get into reloading it, otherwise its about a buck a bullet.

Now.......308 RPK, interesting idea and I've been thinking of such a thing using a Saiga, not sure what way to play the US parts thing to achieve what I what with it yet. I know there are two different guys working on ways to use G3 mags in the Saiga, so it may be on my hit list by the end of the year.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 2:34:46 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 2:53:33 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 2:53:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/31/2004 2:58:03 AM EST by CAMPYBOB]
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 3:08:59 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 3:20:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By krinkfreak:

Originally Posted By Taipan:
I know there are two different guys working on ways to use G3 mags in the Saiga, so it may be on my hit list by the end of the year.



Okay, now you have my attention!



Oh no, now I've opened my big mouth, they both post over at THAT forum website. One goes by BattlerifleG3 and the other guy goes by Leadfoot, I think both or one or the other also posts over at AKfiles. So I admit it, I check out all the forums. I'm an info sponge (cheap justification), so I have to whore my brain out to all sources of possible info. Don't worry I wear a condom on my head when I surf over there (you know g**'snet).
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 3:23:12 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 3:30:47 AM EST
Here's what I know so far, Leadfoot (think thats the fellas name) is working up a way where you would need to send your rifle to him for him to do the mods which include trimming the trunnions a hair. The other guy, BattlerifleG3 is working up a kit that would allow the home wescog smith to do the mods without trimming the trunnions. He says that doing the mods will be slightly harder that doing a Saiga to AK config change on the Saiga .223 FWIW. Both are still in testing phases.
I've seen a pic of Leadfoots rifle with the G3 mag and it looks kick ass, the G3 mag looks totally in place in the AK receiver. I mean looks completely natural.
I'll mssg both and see if I can get some updated info.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:16:57 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/31/2004 11:19:40 AM EST by TXN]
BattlerifleG3 has posted alot of hints about his conversion over on www.saiga-12.com. Although his latest post was about simply modiying G3 mags once the ban sets.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 4:11:37 PM EST
Alright now I'm confused, started comparing numbers and frankly the beowulf on paper looks weaker that many other rounds. .308 and 7.62 X 54r have more muzzle energy and range that the Beowulf, yet the Beowulf its said to "penetrate engine blocks". Is it all just hype?
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 4:21:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By Taipan:
Alright now I'm confused, started comparing numbers and frankly the beowulf on paper looks weaker that many other rounds. .308 and 7.62 X 54r have more muzzle energy and range that the Beowulf, yet the Beowulf its said to "penetrate engine blocks". Is it all just hype?



I believe it's called momentum. 400gr does not want to stop very fast. There was video on here last year and they test the .50 Beo on bullet resistant glass along with 7.62x51 and a few other and it outpenetrated all of them. The only other round that penetrated further was the .50BMG.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 9:16:49 PM EST
So how many really this this project has merit?
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 2:30:44 AM EST
Big, slow bullets versus small, fast bullets. Been debated almost forever. Your project would give you:
More energy delivered to the target, reduced recoil versus an AR version, the bipod looks like it belongs on an RPK and of course- The Way Cool Factor.
Downside: Unknown expense and reliability until the project is completed. Weight of a milled receiver, 23" heavy barrel and bipod..... may I suggest weight training as a new hobby? Magazine feed problems, maybe. The trajectory will need to be mapped out on a range card and then you will need to accurately range/laser your targets to insure hits.
I say go for it, especially since it's your nickel. You might consider a shorter barrel and a quick detach bipod to make transport easier. Good luck.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 10:23:32 AM EST
In this instance weight is a good thing.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 10:37:41 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 3:57:21 PM EST
Hey Guys - Just talked to Meeper again, he doesn't see a problem using a milled receiver for the build (hope ORF is ready in time) and Galil .223 mags shouldn't be a problem. This is coming together nicely.

Shivan, according to a chart I have on the Beowulf at 100 yards its packing 1535 fpe and the .308 is at 2137 fpe. Can somebody verify these numbers? I have a hard time believing it too.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 5:40:17 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 1:41:40 AM EST
That calculator gives way higher numbers than the magazine article, I'd like to believe it over the article. Could the ballistic coefficient throw it off that much? I'm not sure what the real coefficient is, but the calculator give a FPE thats twice what the article said at 100 yards and I used another calculator that backed the article up, lol and now I can't find it. Tried out a couple more calculators and they back up your numbers. Very confusing, but another review I read on the Beowulf Overwatch 24" stated that the testers were pinging mule deer size targets at 600 yards "easily".
Sounds good to me.
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