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Posted: 9/11/2005 3:09:11 PM EDT
I know this has been beaten to an unholy death, but I would like to know who prefers the 74 to the 47.........and why do you prefer it over the other one. Would you trade a 74 for a 47 or vice versa?
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 3:18:31 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 3:20:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/11/2005 3:22:57 PM EDT by Retzam]
I'm no AK expert but ill take a stab at the question. Corrections welcome from the AK experts. The 74 is a more effective cartridge at longer distance and probably more accurate. Now the 47 has more penetration incase its a SHTF scenario and penetration matters. Thats my guesstimate. For me i would go with a AR for .223 caliber gun, my RRA is SUPER accurate and the 47 for the power/penetration/reliability.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 3:23:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/11/2005 3:25:18 PM EDT by cyclone]
Nice rifles Templar! and thanks for the responses..........the reason I asked is from a standpoint of if you were in a situation of being able to only have one due to financial reasons or logistics. I have both, but I would have a tough time deciding which to let go and which to keep
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 3:28:24 PM EDT
For me i would choose the 47, but im sure its more personal preference.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 3:31:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cyclone:
the reason I asked is from a standpoint of if you were in a situation of being able to only have one due to financial reasons or logistics.



Keep the one that has the most mags and ammo ...
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 3:31:57 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 3:56:12 PM EDT
Well all I own is 1 AK and it's a 5.45mm. Love the caliber but also want to own an AKM type.
I've had chances at both a pre-89 Hungarian FEG full stock and underfolder before.
It didn't have the cash on me though.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 4:01:11 PM EDT
What is the big deal of a pre89 AK?
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 4:02:15 PM EDT
For a Combat arm it is hard to beat the 74, ZERO recoil, Fast & accurate shooter.
For my personel use I give the nod to the 47 because the .30 cal round is much more flexible, You can use it just as easily to take most US big game as you can use it in Combat.
So in true arfcom fashion I have a few of both
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 4:02:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 4:06:16 PM EDT
so are a lot of todays rifle out of spec? Like aresenal or builds done in US.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 4:11:09 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 5:17:58 PM EDT
If i could only keep one of my AKs, it would be the AKS-74. Its simply awesome to shoot. Low recoil, virtually no muzzle climb, and its very very fast with the kobra.

I also have a SAR-1 and SAR-3, but i havent shot the 3 yet. If its similar to the 74 it will probably take the #2 spot.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 5:33:23 PM EDT
If I could only keep one it would be a AK74..... While some may state penetration, matters.. It does but also I want range and low recoil for follow up shots. The AK74 gives you that.IMO WarDawg
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 5:42:37 PM EDT
Short barrel, 7.62 x 39. Long barrel 5.45 x 39, loss of speed is more critical in the 5.45 round, so make your pistols 74 based, and your rifles 5.45.

That said, for wound potential, the 5.45, for all other uses, the 7.62.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 5:48:08 PM EDT
7.62x39
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 6:28:51 PM EDT
I'd have to say 7.62x39
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:42:36 PM EDT
I say keep the one that you shoot the best.

Take one out to the range and run 500 rounds through it at various ranges. Later that week take the other one out and do the same thing.

One will probably "feel" more right for you.

Otherwise, tuck one under each arm and charge the enemy position with reckless abandon.

"Wolverines!!"
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 8:01:32 PM EDT
Ak's are like Lays chips, You can't have just one. But if "pigs fly" and I could only have one, it would be 7.62 (more parts/mags/ammo in the states)
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 8:30:38 PM EDT
74 for me. If you need more power go with 308. CB
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 9:00:13 PM EDT
I'd have to go with the AK-74.

More accurate
Lighter Rifle
Lighter Ammo (easier to carry in volume!!)
Lighter recoil
Faster follow-up shots

But you have to get rid of that loud...,, flash blinding..., ugly ass..., POS AK-74 Muzzle brake!!

I threw that POS Brake shit away & put a Phantom 5C1 on mine & it's Awesome!!

A great set-up is to have someone cut your AK-74 barrel down & permently attach a good Flash hider to total length of 16.25". With a folding stock this is a awesomely compact, accurate & fast action little shooter!!!

I have 2 set up that way. A Bulgy AK-74, and Romanian SAR-2 . I hardly ever shoot my AR's any more..., with the exception of Varmint hunting..., where my AR-15 is King!![

But for "Shoot-em-up" my 74's are the ones!!!



Link Posted: 9/11/2005 9:08:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ru4freedom:
I'd have to go with the AK-74.

More accurate
Lighter Rifle
Lighter Ammo (easier to carry in volume!!)
Lighter recoil
Faster follow-up shots

But first thing you have to do is get rid of that loud fu*king..., flash blinding..., ugly ass..., POS AK-74 Muzzle brake!!

I threw that POS Brake shit away & put a Phantom 5C1 on one, and a A2 on the other!!!!!

But if you like to stay true to the original than i guess you don't mind living with it's short commings!!

A great set-up is to have someone cut your AK-74 barrel down & permently attach a good flash hider to total length of 16.25". With a folding stock this is a awesomely compact, accurate & fast action little shooter!!!

I have 2 set up that way. A Bulgy AK-74 Folder w/Phantom 5C1 FH , and a Romanian SAR-2 w/USGI A2 FH.

I hardly ever shoot my AR's any more..., with the exception of Varmint hunting..., where my AR-15 is King!![

But for just good ol' "Shoot-em-up" & throw around rigs..., my 74's are the shizzzznit!!!




Link Posted: 9/11/2005 9:14:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ru4freedom:
A great set-up is to have someone cut your AK-74 barrel down & permently attach a good Flash hider to total length of 16.25". With a folding stock this is a awesomely compact, accurate & fast action little shooter!!!


AK-105 fits most of that description.

Link Posted: 9/11/2005 9:37:11 PM EDT
AK-47 here cheap in all respects ammo is more available and hits hard. If I want longer punch I have full size rifles. Ergonomics are the same weight difference is miniscule and accessories other than mags are pretty much interchangable.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 9:59:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By No1Here:

Originally Posted By ru4freedom:
A great set-up is to have someone cut your AK-74 barrel down & permently attach a good Flash hider to total length of 16.25". With a folding stock this is a awesomely compact, accurate & fast action little shooter!!!


AK-105 fits most of that description.

club.guns.ru/images/AK100/AK105.JPG




Now that's what I'm talk'in about!!!!

Well done No1here!!
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 10:17:54 PM EDT
If I HAD to chose, I'd go with an AK-74. I'm more accuate with an AK-74 varient than compared with an AR-15, so its kind of an easy choice.

However, I still love the AKM. I don't really care for milled AKs..... except for the old Soviet wood
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:47:55 PM EDT
I have AK's in 3 caliber's (5.45x39, 5.56x45, 7.62x39). Honestly, I could grab any of them and head to the range happy. I could randomly grab one without getting the feeling later that I should have grabbed one of the others.

If I really really think hard about it, I would prefer the 5.45 except for one thing--ammo availability. I'll be moving from OK to TN (Memphis) next May and so I've already been scoping out the area for places to shoot. I have only found a single outdoor range in the whole area, and it's got some rules that I think will disqualify me and my wife going there. That leaves me with only some indoor ranges and I have yet to find ammo that indoor ranges will allow. I can get brass 7.62x39 and 5.56x45, but I may be stuck without a place to shoot my AK-74M. Needless to say, I'm going to be burning through a bunch of 5.45 before May . After that, I guess it will be 5.56 that will be my *slight* preference.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 12:11:28 AM EDT
In a situation I would take either over an AR. Had to be done.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 3:18:49 AM EDT
I'd take a FAL.

But seriously, if I could only own one, I would probably take a '74. I love my '74, I'm deadly accurate with it to at least 400yds (farthest I've shot it), virtually no recoil, and fun as hell to shoot. I like my CAR15, but I can't shoot it nearly as good as my '74. And 5.45x39 is only slightly more expensive than 7.62x39. I have more faith in 7.62x39 than 5.45x39 or 5.56x45 as a man-stopper, but I can make better hits with the 5.45x39, and that's what really counts.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 5:00:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2005 5:03:18 AM EDT by mach6]

Originally Posted By ru4freedom:
I'd have to go with the AK-74.

More accurate
Lighter Rifle
Lighter Ammo (easier to carry in volume!!)
Lighter recoil
Faster follow-up shots

But you have to get rid of that loud...,, flash blinding..., ugly ass..., POS AK-74 Muzzle brake!!

I threw that POS Brake shit away & put a Phantom 5C1 on mine & it's Awesome!!

A great set-up is to have someone cut your AK-74 barrel down & permently attach a good Flash hider to total length of 16.25". With a folding stock this is a awesomely compact, accurate & fast action little shooter!!!

I have 2 set up that way. A Bulgy AK-74, and Romanian SAR-2 . I hardly ever shoot my AR's any more..., with the exception of Varmint hunting..., where my AR-15 is King!![

But for "Shoot-em-up" my 74's are the ones!!!





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Correct view, IMHO on the original Warsaw pact-era MB. As for my choice, it's neither an"AK47 or "AK74", it's my new 5.56mm SAM5S. I love this rifle! Accurate, utterly reliable and with the Vortex installed, flash is outta here. When Arsenal comes out with a remake of the AK74M1A1 that will definitely be a hands down winner. Right now, the SAM5S has the new suppressor-capable USN MK48 LWMG Vortex. AK-specific units (5.45, 5.56 & 7.62mm) a few weeks out. Mil gets them first.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 10:30:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 10:51:37 AM EDT
Mr. Kalashnikov would Pimp smack sooooo hard after hearing a question like that! 47 of course!!

Link Posted: 9/12/2005 10:51:44 AM EDT
AK 47
1. mags
2. ammo
3. power
4. Accuracy is not steller but good enough.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 11:06:05 AM EDT
Tough choice. I enjoy shooting both but if I had to chose only one it would be the 74.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 1:22:52 PM EDT
I have yet to even shoot a 5.45mm X 39mm....

That said, I choose 7.62mm.

Because:

That's what the original Kalashnikov rifle was designed to use.

Kalashnikov himself likes the 47 above the 74.

Ammo is cheap and readily available.

the .30 caliber round has FAR better ballistics out of a short barrel..and I like carbines

I have several AR15's so it's nice to have a .30 cal. battle rifle around

I would sooner grab an AR15 before I would an AK74. But with an AK47 it would be a matter of which is closer.

I believe the person behind the trigger has as much to do with a weapons accuracy as the caliber bullet it fires. If accuracy is paramount, I would use a scoped Remington 700 instead of a battle rifle, AR15 included.

I like the sound of 7.62mm reports.

I like the THUMP I feel when I fire a 7.62mm.

I'm sure there's more, but that's what comes to mind first.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 2:13:43 PM EDT
Isnt the 105 illegal in the states even with the muzzle break fixed permently?
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 2:16:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AKSpray:
Isnt the 105 illegal in the states even with the muzzle break fixed permently?


Wouldn't matter about the muzzle brake, I don't think. I mean we don't even get a
5,45mm Saiga. Plus the fact, it has a folding stock, pistol grip and threaded FSB.
Which are features not allowed on imported AK's.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 2:25:10 PM EDT
What im saying is if you built the gun yourself would it be legal length?
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:34:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AKSpray:
What im saying is if you built the gun yourself would it be legal length?


You'd need a extended brake to make it to 16 inch length. The regular AK-105 barrel is 12 inches.
Then the length of the Krinkov muzzle attachment is 3.12 inches long. So it'd come close to 15 inches but it'd need a little more.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:59:17 AM EDT
I have shot 5.45x39 and 7.62x39 at about 3/8" steel. Neither penetrated, and both left very similar depressions. With penetration being equal, I give the nod to the 74 as my choice. I really enjoy the 74. I have a fair amount of ammo for it. But, ammo resupply will always be easier for the 47.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 10:07:29 AM EDT
i haven't had any experience with the 74, but it doesn't have the same effect to me...name wise.
i mean, you say "ak-47" and everyone knows your evil. no questions asked.
sure, they hear ak.. but people are stupid about guns and the 74 throws them off.

i've heard that the 74 is more accurate, lighter, and over all better.
but for classics sake, i have a special place for the 47
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 10:37:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cigolon:
i haven't had any experience with the 74, but it doesn't have the same effect to me...name wise.
i mean, you say "ak-47" and everyone knows your evil. no questions asked.
sure, they hear ak.. but people are stupid about guns and the 74 throws them off.

i've heard that the 74 is more accurate, lighter, and over all better.
but for classics sake, i have a special place for the 47


Well you dont have an AK-47 either. (unless you are filthy rich, and have a real AK-47, in which case i would hate you and be extremely jealous)

If its stamped its an AKM clone, milled AK-47 clone. Calling anything that shoots 7.62 an AK-47 is something out of CNNs playbook.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 11:47:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By clange:

Originally Posted By Cigolon:
i haven't had any experience with the 74, but it doesn't have the same effect to me...name wise.
i mean, you say "ak-47" and everyone knows your evil. no questions asked.
sure, they hear ak.. but people are stupid about guns and the 74 throws them off.

i've heard that the 74 is more accurate, lighter, and over all better.
but for classics sake, i have a special place for the 47


Well you dont have an AK-47 either. (unless you are filthy rich, and have a real AK-47, in which case i would hate you and be extremely jealous)

If its stamped its an AKM clone, milled AK-47 clone. Calling anything that shoots 7.62 an AK-47 is something out of CNNs playbook.


true, but in that case, the entire question is bogus from the start. when you are overlooking that, the point still remains. the namesake goes with the ak-47 and their clones.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 12:04:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cigolon:

Originally Posted By clange:

Originally Posted By Cigolon:
i haven't had any experience with the 74, but it doesn't have the same effect to me...name wise.
i mean, you say "ak-47" and everyone knows your evil. no questions asked.
sure, they hear ak.. but people are stupid about guns and the 74 throws them off.

i've heard that the 74 is more accurate, lighter, and over all better.
but for classics sake, i have a special place for the 47


Well you dont have an AK-47 either. (unless you are filthy rich, and have a real AK-47, in which case i would hate you and be extremely jealous)

If its stamped its an AKM clone, milled AK-47 clone. Calling anything that shoots 7.62 an AK-47 is something out of CNNs playbook.


true, but in that case, the entire question is bogus from the start. when you are overlooking that, the point still remains. the namesake goes with the ak-47 and their clones.


I know, just given ya a little hell.

I've gotten the blank stare when i tell someone 74 as well.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 12:24:44 PM EDT
What's even better is when some dickweed at the range asks "Whutcha shootin' thar?" and you reply "A semi-auto AK-74" and he chuckles and says, "Ya mean uh Aaayyy Kayyy Fahrty Sevuhn!" then shakes his head condescendingly because you don't even know what kind of rifle you have.

Link Posted: 9/13/2005 12:32:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Thekatar:
What's even better is when some dickweed at the range asks "Whutcha shootin' thar?" and you reply "A semi-auto AK-74" and he chuckles and says, "Ya mean uh Aaayyy Kayyy Fahrty Sevuhn!" then shakes his head condescendingly because you don't even know what kind of rifle you have.


I've met that asshole,I think he married his sister,..........but was caught cheating with his Mom.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 5:20:08 PM EDT
I choose the 47.

Aren't the 74 much louder with their brakes than the 47?
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 6:07:10 PM EDT
I like the 74 alot, but the 47 is a close second.

Link Posted: 9/13/2005 6:09:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tommy2399:
I choose the 47.

Aren't the 74 much louder with their brakes than the 47?




Muzzle brake makes any gun louder. 74 is fairly extreme though. As is my 47 with fixed brake.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 3:59:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 556A2:
If I HAD to chose, I'd go with an AK-74. I'm more accuate with an AK-74 varient than compared with an AR-15, so its kind of an easy choice.

However, I still love the AKM. I don't really care for milled AKs..... except for the old Soviet wood


Milled AKs look good but I like the AKM more too. Nothing beats Russian AK furniture.
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