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Posted: 8/8/2006 7:06:17 PM EDT

Ok I have heard bits and there but would like to clarify

Please help me answer or verify the following. Also please add any other rules or concerns that I need to be aware of.

1. Must a pistol built on a receiver that is not cable of accepting a stock?
2. Must it be less than 16 inches of barrel length?
3. Must it be built on a receiver that is stamped “Pistol” and caliber and such?
a. My main question here is can I build a pistol on a Nodac Spud 100% receiver?
4. How many compliance parts (US made) must I use.
5. Is there a “Tax stamp” and how much?
6. Can I resell the fire arm if I need or want to?

Thanks in advance for all your help!

Posted: 8/8/2006 7:15:18 PM EDT

[#1]

I'll jump in, but please feel free to correct me if I error guys

1 - Yes, no way of connecting or attaching a stock.
Also, the receiver must never have had a stock attached, ever.

2 - No, any length you want

3 - If you bend your own flat, no worries.
Otherwise have the receiver transferred as a pistol receiver.

4 - No US compliance parts needed for a pistol build, Section 922r doesn't apply.

5 - No tax stamp

6 - Personal preference only, don't sell anything you build, even on a 100% receiver.

Someone jump in on number 6 and elaborate for me please.

Posted: 8/9/2006 3:59:41 AM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
I'll jump in, but please feel free to correct me if I error guys

1 - Yes, no way of connecting or attaching a stock.
Also, the receiver must never have had a stock attached, ever.

2 - No, any length you want

3 - If you bend your own flat, no worries.
Otherwise have the receiver transferred as a pistol receiver.

4 - No US compliance parts needed for a pistol build, Section 922r doesn't apply.

5 - No tax stamp

6 - Personal preference only, don't sell anything you build, even on a 100% receiver.

Someone jump in on number 6 and elaborate for me please.

Take my advice with a grain of sand, I am not a lawyer, leo, judge, and I dont play one on TV.

#3 and #1 As long as you get the Nodak Rec there is no trouble with the rifle pistol thing, its the same as an AR15 lower as long as it has never been built you can pistol it or Rifle, doesnt really matter about the transfer either If you think your going to do a pistol, paper it as a pistol if your not sure paper it is a pistol. You can do it as a rifle and as long as you dont build a rifle first its clear to build a pistol on it.

#6 yes and no there. You can sell it, but you cannot build it just to sell, you technically have to use it first.

Posted: 8/9/2006 8:45:06 AM EDT

[#3]

Thanks for all the input.
I have also heard that you cannot attach a vertical grip to the front grip of the pistol.

Are any flash hider/slant breaks required?

Thanks again

Posted: 8/9/2006 8:53:39 AM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
Thanks for all the input.
I have also heard that you cannot attach a vertical grip to the front grip of the pistol.

Are any flash hider/slant breaks required?

Thanks again

True, no forward handle on a pistol build, it would then be considered a SBR.

No breaks are 'required' but you can add one if you like.

Just like Kells81 said, "I am not a lawyer, leo, judge, and I dont play one on TV."

Plus I didn't even sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night

Posted: 8/9/2006 10:23:39 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Thanks for all the input.
I have also heard that you cannot attach a vertical grip to the front grip of the pistol.

Are any flash hider/slant breaks required?

Thanks again

True, no forward handle on a pistol build, it would then be considered an AOW.

No breaks are 'required' but you can add one if you like.

Just like Kells81 said, "I am not a lawyer, leo, judge, and I dont play one on TV."

Plus I didn't even sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night

Posted: 8/10/2006 4:45:06 AM EDT

[#6]

If the receiver is a true 100% virgin...that is it has never been assembled into a firearm, you do not have to 4473 it as a pistol receiver. Your dealer can do the NICs check for a long gun receiver and so long as you can lawfully own a pistol, you can then build it into a pistol. ATF-E recently (a year ago?) made this decision about using certain "rifle" receivers for pistol builds. Their ruling was very pro-build which surprised a lot of people.

HTH

Posted: 8/14/2006 12:16:54 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:

True, no forward handle on a pistol build, it would then be considered an AOW.

Doh,
Thanks H357SIGK.

Posted: 8/14/2006 3:07:34 PM EDT

[#8]

If I built one from a shortened Romy G kit, would I just need to grind off the portion of the rear trunion so that a stock can't be put on?
Am I required to modify the back of the receiver also to keep a stock from being installed?
Any pictures of the rear of someone else's pistol build I can see?

Thanks.

Posted: 8/14/2006 6:15:14 PM EDT

[#9]

I ground mine down;

Then took the old receiver and pt it against the hole I wanted to fill and cut it out with a saw;

Then grind to fit and welded in place;

A stock cannot be attached to it. It is rock solid

Posted: 8/14/2006 6:52:26 PM EDT

[#10]

Thanks for the pictures. But I'm still trying to follow. What is still sticking out of the back?

http://www.gearshanty.com/reartr5.jpg

Posted: 8/15/2006 9:46:31 AM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
Thanks for the pictures. But I'm still trying to follow. What is still sticking out of the back?

www.gearshanty.com/reartr5.jpg

That is the trinion once installed and the one on top is how they look be cutting and redrilling a hole. The reason you want it to stick out is to hook a sling on it.

When it was all done I made the hole bigger to be able to accept more types of slings.

Posted: 8/15/2006 3:45:32 PM EDT

[#12]

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True, no forward handle on a pistol build, it would then be considered an AOW.

Doh,
Thanks H357SIGK.

What is an AOW?

Posted: 8/15/2006 3:58:14 PM EDT

[#13]

Hummm....I thought it had to have less than a 16" barrel

Posted: 8/15/2006 10:34:37 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:

True, no forward handle on a pistol build, it would then be considered an AOW.

Doh,
Thanks H357SIGK.

What is an AOW?

AOW - Any Other Weapon

Basically a firearm that is NOT a rifle (short or long barrel), NOT a pistol, NOT a shotgun, and is not catagorized as something else. These "things" fall into the AOW catagory. That's all I'm going to say about that, because there is a HUGE debate over what really should be classified as an AOW. A pistol with a vertical front grip for instance......

J

Posted: 8/16/2006 2:44:25 AM EDT

[#15]

IIRC, stamps for AOW are only $5, aren't they? A few years ago, my local Class3 dealer was selling some shorty pump shotguns based on Mossberg receivers that had maybe a 6-8" barrel, forward vertical grip, and no stock. They said that those were in the AOW catergory. Said that the $5 tax stamp helped offset the $550 price tag. 'OK... If you say so....'

Posted: 8/16/2006 9:42:43 AM EDT

[#16]

It costs $200 to create an AOW.

$5 to transfer one that was already registered.

Posted: 8/16/2006 10:11:51 AM EDT

[#17]

Just asking, no flaming intended...could your "sling connection" be confused with a tang to add a stock? Or is that not enough to be considered "no stock or provision for attaching a stock".

Looking to build a pistole in the future and I am interested in what others think.

Posted: 8/16/2006 6:55:22 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
Just asking, no flaming intended...could your "sling connection" be confused with a tang to add a stock? Or is that not enough to be considered "no stock or provision for attaching a stock".

Looking to build a pistole in the future and I am interested in what others think.

A tradional stock has two screws to hold it in place plus the stock goes into the recciver for support. With the back welded shut and such a small area in back there isn't a way to attach a stock.

Posted: 8/20/2006 3:43:42 AM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
IIRC, stamps for AOW are only $5, aren't they? A few years ago, my local Class3 dealer was selling some shorty pump shotguns based on Mossberg receivers that had maybe a 6-8" barrel, forward vertical grip, and no stock. They said that those were in the AOW catergory. Said that the $5 tax stamp helped offset the $550 price tag. 'OK... If you say so....'

Well, since you brought it up, here is a Serbu Super Shorty in 12 gauge. AOW all the way!

Posted: 8/20/2006 4:52:46 AM EDT

[#20]

I'm fabricating trunions specifically for Romy pistol conversions, if anyone is interested. Go to here for more info. I got very positive feedback so far on my trunions. I'll have trunions for Yugo conversions in the very near future too.

Posted: 8/20/2006 7:05:55 AM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
I'm fabricating trunions specifically for Romy pistol conversions, if anyone is interested. Go to here for more info. I got very positive feedback so far on my trunions. I'll have trunions for Yugo conversions in the very near future too.

Very nice Colonel. Are they still going for $23?