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Posted: 12/1/2013 4:59:38 PM EST
I would like to mount A variable power scope on a rifle that has a SVD scope mount on it. all i have been able to find so far is the makco defense mount but I'm not a fan i would like to find something like this any suggestions
Link Posted: 12/1/2013 5:00:38 PM EST
What rifle?
Link Posted: 12/1/2013 5:25:31 PM EST
Zatava m77 ps. There anrt to many people with these rifles out there but it looks like an SVD rail
Link Posted: 12/1/2013 5:41:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/1/2013 5:44:24 PM EST by Liquidmetal]
The M77 and M70 PAPs have the same rail and my overwhelming first choice would be a RS AK-310 base and AKR upper mount. You can also do dual AKM 30mm rings to duplicate the layout of the MI mount as well. Lightweight, great design, great quality.

Not my pics (AKR upper mount on the 310 base in these pics):



Link Posted: 12/1/2013 5:58:28 PM EST
Ok. What would be the advantages of not going with the dual 30mm rings? Once you have that flat top style mount you still need a set of 30mm rings? Is it more cost effective to do it the other way?
Link Posted: 12/2/2013 10:20:04 AM EST
You're kinda in a unique position because the side rail of your rifle is mounted higher on the receiver than other AK-type rifles (M70 PAP is the same way).

RS recommends the AK-310 for PAPs because it was originally designed for the Romy M10 rifle whose rail is also higher than normal on the receiver. The AK-310 base is lower than the AK-303, which is what is typically used on other AKs with standard height receiver rails.

An AK-303 base plus dual AKM 30mm rings might give enough scope height to clear the rear sight of your rifle when it won't on others.

The 303 base plus AKM rings would not clear the rear sight of my Vepr, whereas it may clear on your rifle. If you can't get the scope up and over the rear sight with the dual AKM rings, LOP in the stock and scope eye relief become pretty critical because the scope gets pushed back to clear the rear sight.

AK-303 and AKM rings on my Vepr. It worked, but barely:

Link Posted: 12/2/2013 5:36:49 PM EST
with that ak310 and the flat top rail would i have to worry about the optic being mounted to high or am i over thinking it?
Link Posted: 12/2/2013 10:08:35 PM EST
Clay ...

Here is that Midwest mount you show in your post ... mounted on a Yugo M70:





In order to mount it on the Yugo's SVD style rail, you need to remove a little of the metal on the rear inside section of the Midwest mount ... It will then look like this (see red arrow)
It's a simple modification. Then you can install the Midwest mount anywhere you want on your SVD style rail.

Link Posted: 12/5/2013 9:57:45 PM EST
Turbo, how has the zero of the mount been affected since modifying the mount?

Liquid, is there any mods that is needed on the RS mount like the MI one?

Thanks
Link Posted: 12/6/2013 9:18:47 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Sumoj275:

Liquid, is there any mods that is needed on the RS mount like the MI one?
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No mods required on the RS mount.
Link Posted: 12/6/2013 10:37:44 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Turbo6ta:
Clay ...

Here is that Midwest mount you show in your post ... mounted on a Yugo M70:

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/Turbo6ta/LftSide4-1.jpg



In order to mount it on the Yugo's SVD style rail, you need to remove a little of the metal on the rear inside section of the Midwest mount ... It will then look like this (see red arrow)
It's a simple modification. Then you can install the Midwest mount anywhere you want on your SVD style rail.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/Turbo6ta/Mount.jpg
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After nodding the MI mount is there a stop to keep it from sliding FWD off the rail? If not you may see it creep under recoil.
Link Posted: 12/6/2013 2:14:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/6/2013 2:31:53 PM EST by Turbo6ta]
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Originally Posted By avatarhammer:

After nodding the MI mount is there a stop to keep it from sliding FWD off the rail? If not you may see it creep under recoil.
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Yup ... The mount will only go so far forward on the rail and that's it. It can't creep forward when the gun is fired.

In fact, mounting the MI mount all the way forward until it stops, places the scope in the ideal place on top of the gun.

If you look at the photo I posted before ... that's as far forward as the mount can possibly go ... so, you haven't lost a stop by modifying it.
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BTW ... I have nothing at all against the RS AK-300 series mounts like Liquidmetal has on his gun. In fact, the only reason I didn't buy one before was nobody could tell me if it would even fit on the O-PAP. And the guy that owns RS did not have an O-PAP or an N-PAP to see if it would fit.

But, there was another guy that posted a photo of the MI mount that he modified to fit the O-PAP ... so that's why I bought it at the time.
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One more thing ... once mounted, the scope is on top of the receiver dust cover, and not canted either way. I'm sure the RS AK-300 series is the same way ... I just wanted to say that the MI is centered too:



There is one big plus with the MI mount ... That is, you don't have to buy separate scope rings. All you need is the mount and your scope.
Link Posted: 12/6/2013 4:04:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Turbo6ta:

Yup ... The mount will only go so far forward on the rail and that's it. It can't creep forward when the gun is fired.

In fact, mounting the MI mount all the way forward until it stops, places the scope in the ideal place on top of the gun.

If you look at the photo I posted before ... that's as far forward as the mount can possibly go ... so, you haven't lost a stop by modifying it.
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BTW ... I have nothing at all against the RS AK-300 series mounts like Liquidmetal has on his gun. In fact, the only reason I didn't buy one before was nobody could tell me if it would even fit on the O-PAP. And the guy that owns RS did not have an O-PAP or an N-PAP to see if it would fit.

But, there was another guy that posted a photo of the MI mount that he modified to fit the O-PAP ... so that's why I bought it at the time.
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One more thing ... once mounted, the scope is on top of the receiver dust cover, and not canted either way. I'm sure the RS AK-300 series is the same way ... I just wanted to say that the MI is centered too:

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/Turbo6ta/ScopeAlignment1.jpg

There is one big plus with the MI mount ... That is, you don't have to buy separate scope rings. All you need is the mount and your scope.
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Originally Posted By Turbo6ta:
Originally Posted By avatarhammer:

After nodding the MI mount is there a stop to keep it from sliding FWD off the rail? If not you may see it creep under recoil.

Yup ... The mount will only go so far forward on the rail and that's it. It can't creep forward when the gun is fired.

In fact, mounting the MI mount all the way forward until it stops, places the scope in the ideal place on top of the gun.

If you look at the photo I posted before ... that's as far forward as the mount can possibly go ... so, you haven't lost a stop by modifying it.
________________________________

BTW ... I have nothing at all against the RS AK-300 series mounts like Liquidmetal has on his gun. In fact, the only reason I didn't buy one before was nobody could tell me if it would even fit on the O-PAP. And the guy that owns RS did not have an O-PAP or an N-PAP to see if it would fit.

But, there was another guy that posted a photo of the MI mount that he modified to fit the O-PAP ... so that's why I bought it at the time.
________________________________

One more thing ... once mounted, the scope is on top of the receiver dust cover, and not canted either way. I'm sure the RS AK-300 series is the same way ... I just wanted to say that the MI is centered too:

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/Turbo6ta/ScopeAlignment1.jpg

There is one big plus with the MI mount ... That is, you don't have to buy separate scope rings. All you need is the mount and your scope.



Thanks for the info. And by the way, that MI mount on your Yugo looks like it was made for it. Looking Good
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:33:48 PM EST
is there a better picture of the mount with the mod its hard to see on your picture and what did you use to make the mod
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 12:43:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/12/2013 12:47:00 PM EST by Turbo6ta]
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Originally Posted By Clay54961:

is there a better picture of the mount with the mod its hard to see on your picture and what did you use to make the mod
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Dremel and a small file. I don't have a 'before' photo, but after you do a little surgery to the mount, it should look like what is in the photo with the red arrow. That's the rear-upper part of the mount where the rail sets.

The mount is aluminum, so removing a little metal is easy.

(once you get the mount and look how it attaches to the rail, you will see where you need to remove a little metal) .. simple operation
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 5:42:15 AM EST
How is the eye relief? And how is getting the dust cover off for cleaning?
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