Originally Posted By fistpoint:
What about the Norincos made in the Polytech factory? The ones NOT marked Polytech? Could be one of those...
First of all PolyTechnogies is not a factory, it is merely a export company (more like name) that was set up to export arms, and such from the state run PLA arsenals. Examples of this are /66\ /416\ & (386). It was common practice for partial parts and assembly to be done in the different plants. This is why we will see guns that exhibit some charistics of say 66 & 386 guns, but have no factory markings.
Kengs (in the mid 80s) worked with (PT) to standardize if you will, variants that would be unique to them for import. (anybody else remember crazy Ivanhoe?) These were all produced in factory (386). One of their selling features was the spring loaded firing pin, as a safety feature. Contrary to much cyber myth Keng's does not own, nor never did own the name PolyTech, this is from Keng's mouth themself.
Any import of a Norinco marked (who knows which factory) spring loaded pin would have been after the Bush 41 ban in '89. This is when the guns were sent back, reconfigured, and then reimported with what many are calling "transitional" features...postban none the less.
Anyway, here is a quick and dirty breakdown of the the Chinese arms machines..
A General Overview of Defense Conversion
In the past two years, senior Chinese officials knowledgeable about the PRC's defense industry have emphasized that the decision to convert much of Chinese defense industrial capacity to civilian use was made at the Third Session of the 11th Central Committee Plenum of the Chinese Communist Party in 1978. Military conversion was considered one component of the party's larger goal to make economic development its central task. To underline the peaceful intention at the foundation of this decision, Chinese often point out that their decision was made unilaterally prior to changes in the international system of the late 1980's and prior to many countries (including China) reducing their military forces. It has only been in recent years that the defense conversion phenomenon has become widespread enough to be appreciated fully by outsiders.
At first only a few factories undertook conversion, in an experimental, learning fashion -- much the same as the special economic zones were experiments at first. Toward the mid-80's momentum increased and lessons learned from early experiments were applied to other enterprises. It is likely that defense conversion got another big boost from Deng Xiaoping,s trip to the south in early 1992, after which it became finally officially acceptable for anyone and everyone in the country to go out and "just make money."
In today's international environment, most defense industries could not survive if they were to produce only military products. Only a limited number and type of factories can still afford to concentrate mainly on military production. While there will always be a need for some level of defense production, both the internal and external arms markets are significantly smaller than a decade ago. Chinese defense Production requirements that still exist remain centrally planned and assigned to factories by the State Planning Commission in conjunction with the General Staff and Logistics Departments and the Commission of Science, Technology, and Industry for National Defense (COSTIND).
These new corporations are now directly subordinate to the State Council -- they have attained a position equal to the status formerly granted to only a few corporations such as the China International Trust and Investment Corporation (CITIC). This new position gives their general managers de facto ministerial rank, although they are not called "minister" in public. Unlike the older trading companies which only marketed~ products, these new corporations also have responsibility for the factories in their systems. The older trading companies still exist and, like before, still only have marketing responsibilities. The defense industry corporations subordinate to the State Council are --
China National Nuclear Industry Corporation (CNNC);
China North Industries Group -- NORINCO(G);
China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC);
China Aerospace Corporation (CASC);
Aviation Industries of China (AVIC).
China North Industries Group, NORINCO (G), has over 300 subelements including factories (157 medium to large factories), research institutes, and trading companies. It has established over 100 joint ventures and has more than 20 overseas offices and 60 branches. Among the best known elements are --
China North Industries Corp (NORINCO);
China Yanxing National Corp;
China General Industrial Material and Equipment Supply Corp;
Northeast Machinery Plant;
Benxi Precision Machinery Plant;
Shandong Machinery Plant;
Inner Mongolia No. 1 Machinery Plant;
Inner Mongolia No. 2 Machinery Plant;
China North Industries Xiamen Corp;
Xi'an Qinchuan Machinery Plant;
Xi'an Kunlun Machinery Plant;
Henan Xiangdong Machinery Plant;
Changfeng Machinery Plant;
Hebei Yanxing Machinery Plant;
Henan Qinghua Machinery Plant;
Jiangnan Machinery Plant;
Hubei Jiangshan Machinery Plant;
Henan Zhongyuan Special Steel Plant;
Wangjiang Machinery Plant;
Sichuan Nanshan Machinery Plant;
Beijing North Vehicle Works;
Shanxi Qiyi Precision Machinery Plant;
Shenyang Wusan Complex;
Huachuan Machinery Plant;
Jianshe Industry (Group) Corp;
China Jialing Industry Co., Ltd (Group);
Changan Machinery Plant;
China Jiangling Machinery Factory;
China North Chemical Industries Corp;
Shandong Chemical Plant;
Liaoning Xiangdong Chemical Plant;
Jindong Chemical Plant;
Liaoning Qingyang Chemical Industrial Corp;
China North Optics and Electronics Corp;
Xi'an Northwest Optical and Electrical Instruments Plant;
Hunan Baiyun Household Electrical Appliances Factory;
Nanjing Xuguang Instruments Plant;
Chengdu Guangming Materials Plant;
Jiangsu Shuguang opto-Electronics Instrument Factory;
Huazhong Pharmaceutical Plant;
North Pudong Eco-Tech Development Corp;
Shenyang Industrial Institute;
China North Vehicles Research Institute.
(It is worth emphasizing that the factories listed in this paragraph are subordinate to NORINCO(G), not NORINCO. NORINCO(G) has departments which manage its subordinate factories. NORINCO, now, as before, is an import-export trading company which markets products of NORINCO(G) factories. This kind of structure is found in all the defense corporations directly subordinate to the State Council.)