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Posted: 9/16/2005 7:56:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/16/2005 8:19:21 PM EDT by Templar]
I have been in contact with Russian American Armory Company via e-mail. RAA will be importing Saiga's again. Their website will be up Sept. 19 with a list of their distributors. Rifles will only be sold to these distributors. The Saiga's will be just like the ones EAA imported. The first shipment of rifles is suppose to leave Russia Oct. 1 and be in U.S. by the end of the month. The website address is www.raacfirearms.com/. I am happy...........The price gouging on the EAA saiga's is ridiculous.

*edited for hotlink*
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 8:05:44 PM EDT
Rifles only?

I need a Saiga .308 and a Saiga 12. Bad.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 8:24:59 PM EDT
that makes two of us, especially a 12 ga. Will they have High cap mags coming in?

ls
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 8:28:55 PM EDT
Anything evil? AKs 12guages with highcap mags and pistol grips?
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 9:04:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LordStoner:
Will they have High cap mags coming in?




My thought is that the 8 rounds mags are not classified as "sporting" by the alphabet boys, so IMO when hell freezes over.


I am considering a .308 just to have another AK in a different round.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 7:13:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 7:14:08 AM EDT by ozone_00]

Originally Posted By CornFedHusker:
Rifles only?

I need a Saiga .308 and a Saiga 12. Bad.


+1 Can't wait! As far as hicap 12 gauge mags, Here's your guy: www.saigasolutions.com/
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 7:21:39 AM EDT
I wonder if they will start to have dimples again, like the ones sold in Europe do.....
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 10:49:30 AM EDT
Man I would really like to pick up a Saiga 12
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 10:53:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Stottman:
I wonder if they will start to have dimples again, like the ones sold in Europe do.....



Wow I just got a woody. Aren't these 1.6mm receivers? the AK-1XX series guns are made on 1.0mm receivers right?

Link Posted: 9/17/2005 11:09:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fadedsun:

Originally Posted By Stottman:
I wonder if they will start to have dimples again, like the ones sold in Europe do.....



Wow I just got a woody. Aren't these 1.6mm receivers? the AK-1XX series guns are made on 1.0mm receivers right?




They are 1.0mm receivers...
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 1:14:39 PM EDT
About 2 months ago I picked up 3 Saiga-12 8 rounders (9 if you use the BHO) for $75 shipped.

I still want my Saiga-12 SWAT (i.e. the -30 model).
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 1:17:17 PM EDT
TAG!

-Foxxz
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:04:32 PM EDT
Excellent!
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 4:15:21 PM EDT
Good news for sure!!!!!
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 4:41:53 PM EDT
Picked up my .308 today. Now for the 12ga...
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 5:39:38 PM EDT
Any idea on pricing? I heard they are going to be a lot more expensive then when they originally came in.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 5:44:03 PM EDT
I hope CDNN is on their distributor list.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:30:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By keller:
I hope CDNN is on their distributor list.



You got that right. I picked up one of the last batch of Saiga-12s for $229 shipped about 6-8 months ago.

I still want my Saiga-12-030 with mags. Non-sporting = true...just like Benellis.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 9:44:20 PM EDT
TAG
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 9:57:04 PM EDT
tag

This might make my AK-104 a little easier to someday obtain!
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 10:25:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 10:38:36 PM EDT by bones21]
Since I am relatively new to AKs, help me out guys...

1. When did they stop importing the SAIGA's ???

2. While they were still being imported, how much did they cost ? Just a relative "mean" number will do .

3. What builders convert SAIGA's ? I need names people : )

4. How much does AK-USA charge to convert a SAIGA ? They pulled their pricing in the past few weeks.. ??

5. Will SAIGA conversions be competitive in price with Arsenal Inc. Rifles ???

Sorry for all the questions... I am just excited as I have been following this topic for a while in the SAIGA section.

I'm just wondering if they will be able to compete with Arsenal.... Then again I need you guys to tell me what the SAIGA's
used to cost and what they cost to convert before I can decide if they can compete or not

Thanks for any answers.

ETA: Will these be coming in 5.45 as well ?


Link Posted: 9/18/2005 2:50:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bones21:
Since I am relatively new to AKs, help me out guys...

1. When did they stop importing the SAIGA's ??? Last year.

2. While they were still being imported, how much did they cost ? Just a relative "mean" number will do .

A 7.62x39 Saiga could be had for $160.00 last year, a 308 would run about $270-350, Shotguns .410-20ga-12ga $150-250. I will be very surprised if the new prices are so low.

3. What builders convert SAIGA's ? I need names people : )

Chris at AK-USA is the Man.

4. How much does AK-USA charge to convert a SAIGA ? They pulled their pricing in the past few weeks.. ?? E-Mail Chris.

5. Will SAIGA conversions be competitive in price with Arsenal Inc. Rifles ??? Should be.

Sorry for all the questions... I am just excited as I have been following this topic for a while in the SAIGA section. It could be very good news for our hobby since parts kits will be gone soon.

I'm just wondering if they will be able to compete with Arsenal.... Then again I need you guys to tell me what the SAIGA's
used to cost and what they cost to convert before I can decide if they can compete or not

Thanks for any answers.

ETA: Will these be coming in 5.45 as well ? Unlikely as 5.45 is banned for civilian use in Russia, a reason Izhmash gave in the past. They could make one just for export, hope they do.





I hope Saigas become plentiful and cheap again, I'd like to pick up a few.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 7:28:19 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 9:31:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS:
FYI , We ,Atlantic Firearms,llc will be distributors for the Saiga /RRA line of firearms, we expect the first limited shipments to arrive in late Oct. Yes the prices will be higher than before but not out of control. The great news is the new importer has a fair amount of these firearms scheduled for importation and is only concentrating on the importation of this product line. Thank You Atlantic Firearms,llc



Let us know if the "model lineup" has changed.

As I recall they had the following or sale last year:

Saiga 7.62x39
Saiga .223
Saiga .308

Saiga .410 shotgun
Saiga 20-ga shotgun
Saiga 12-ga shotgun

Anything changing? New configurations?
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 10:48:13 AM EDT
This is the best news I've heard this week. I'm itching for a Saiga shotgun.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 11:46:12 AM EDT
Thanks for all the information NH_AR_Shooter...

I'll e-mail Chris sometime next week so I can get an idea of how much I will have to be saving

I am really in the market for a 5.45 gun, Templar told me that I would be getting one... I guess he
is psychic somehow

Hopefully in the next few weeks we will see if they will be importing any 5.45, but like you said... It
seems unlikely since the 5.45 is banned in Russia.

I like the idea cheap AKs, but I like quality too. That is why I would like my next AK purchase to float
around 500 bucks. There is just something about owning a real Russian gun that makes me all warm and
fuzzy inside. Maybe I got into the AK game way too late because having a nice kit built or buying a new
gun isn't much cheaper than buying an AR... especially if you are "building" handicapped. I just hope
that these Saigas will help bring about healthy AK competition so the priced can be lowered a bit.

I guess if all else fails I guess I could just get a .223 Saiga coverted, then wait for
a side folding Arsenal 5.45.

Oh yeah, are the .223 SAIGAs 5.56 rated or not ?

Thanks again for the help...
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 8:56:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bones21:
Thanks for all the information NH_AR_Shooter...

I'll e-mail Chris sometime next week so I can get an idea of how much I will have to be saving

I am really in the market for a 5.45 gun, Templar told me that I would be getting one... I guess he
is psychic somehow

Hopefully in the next few weeks we will see if they will be importing any 5.45, but like you said... It
seems unlikely since the 5.45 is banned in Russia.

I like the idea cheap AKs, but I like quality too. That is why I would like my next AK purchase to float
around 500 bucks. There is just something about owning a real Russian gun that makes me all warm and
fuzzy inside. Maybe I got into the AK game way too late because having a nice kit built or buying a new
gun isn't much cheaper than buying an AR...
especially if you are "building" handicapped. I just hope
that these Saigas will help bring about healthy AK competition so the priced can be lowered a bit.

I guess if all else fails I guess I could just get a .223 Saiga coverted, then wait for
a side folding Arsenal 5.45.

Oh yeah, are the .223 SAIGAs 5.56 rated or not ?

Thanks again for the help...



You're Welcome.

As far as quality goes, its hard to beat a Saiga converted by Chris. Saigas are made by Izhmash, except for the absence of magwell dimples, these are the real thing. There are other great builders out there, but AK-USA gets my vote.

An Arsenal gun built from parts on an American receiver may be as good or better, but where AKs are concerned I tend to favor Izhmash. Now....if only they would send us some guns with "dimples".

As far as kits go, if there is anyway you can pick up one or more of those excellent Romy kits, you should do it. Have them built eventually or sell them later, you can't lose.



NH
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 10:55:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NH_AR_Shooter:

Originally Posted By bones21:
Since I am relatively new to AKs, help me out guys...

1. When did they stop importing the SAIGA's ??? Last year.

2. While they were still being imported, how much did they cost ? Just a relative "mean" number will do .

A 7.62x39 Saiga could be had for $160.00 last year, a 308 would run about $270-350, Shotguns .410-20ga-12ga $150-250. I will be very surprised if the new prices are so low. $160 for 7.62x39mm Saiga?!?! I haven't seen one go for less than $500! WTF?!?!

3. What builders convert SAIGA's ? I need names people : )

Chris at AK-USA is the Man. Must... have.. AK-104...

4. How much does AK-USA charge to convert a SAIGA ? They pulled their pricing in the past few weeks.. ?? E-Mail Chris.

5. Will SAIGA conversions be competitive in price with Arsenal Inc. Rifles ??? Should be. Last I checked Chris sold complete AK-100 series for about $850. He pulled the price listing because they went up. No clue what it costs to convert, I'll have to e-mail.

Sorry for all the questions... I am just excited as I have been following this topic for a while in the SAIGA section. It could be very good news for our hobby since parts kits will be gone soon.

I'm just wondering if they will be able to compete with Arsenal.... Then again I need you guys to tell me what the SAIGA's
used to cost and what they cost to convert before I can decide if they can compete or not

Thanks for any answers.

ETA: Will these be coming in 5.45 as well ? Unlikely as 5.45 is banned for civilian use in Russia, a reason Izhmash gave in the past. They could make one just for export, hope they do.





I hope Saigas become plentiful and cheap again, I'd like to pick up a few.

Link Posted: 9/19/2005 8:43:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Originally Posted By NH_AR_Shooter:

Originally Posted By bones21:
Since I am relatively new to AKs, help me out guys...

2. While they were still being imported, how much did they cost ? Just a relative "mean" number will do .

A 7.62x39 Saiga could be had for $160.00 last year, a 308 would run about $270-350, Shotguns .410-20ga-12ga $150-250. I will be very surprised if the new prices are so low. $160 for 7.62x39mm Saiga?!?! I haven't seen one go for less than $500! WTF?!?!




I hope Saigas become plentiful and cheap again, I'd like to pick up a few.






$160 for 7.62x39mm Saiga?!?! I haven't seen one go for less than $500! WTF?!?!

$160.00 in unconverted form. All of those prices I gave are for the base line Saigas, from CDNN, they won't be that cheap again, kind of sucks, the AWB goes away and AK prices go up.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 9:08:15 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 11:02:05 AM EDT
Well I guess I will hold off from getting a another Vepr K until I see the prices of the new Saigas. If they are $300 or under for an unconverted one I will get some if they are close to $400 I will just get another Vepr. However I am a shooter not some one wanting to build a classic AK piece. A local gun store is advertising the 10rd WASR for $204 so I am thinking of picking up one of those and tweaking it but my Saiga .223 sure is a lot nicer than my Romanian I have. I canverted my Saiga my self and thought it was fairly easy. The only trick was the feed ramp design. It took a bit of woork but it will feed anything with the 35 RD Galil mags or my converted AK 74 mags.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 12:12:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GenghisKhan:
Well I guess I will hold off from getting a another Vepr K until I see the prices of the new Saigas. If they are $300 or under for an unconverted one I will get some if they are close to $400 I will just get another Vepr.



Seeing as the .223 Saigas were still around new a couple of months ago for less than $250, I would hope that the distributors aren't going to be above $300, and even less for the 5.56x39 which were less than $200 on sale when they were still coming in.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 1:20:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RS39:
Oh yeah, are the .223 SAIGAs 5.56 rated or not ?


Mine ran on anything I threw at it in unconverted form, SS109 to Wolf hp all went fine.



I asked that same question earlier... I guess since you ran SS109 through it, then it should be fine.

I know someone out there could jump in here and say "yep, she's 5.56 NATO all the way baby"... I guess
I will just be waiting for that guy

I really just have the numbers floating around in my head about Saiga conversions. I found that conversion website
and it seems "fairly" simple... but if the guns are going to cost over 3-400 bucks, then it wouldn't be
worth it to me. It would just make more sense to get a SAM-5 or an SLR-105 and be done with it. Or a couple
of WASRs for that matter.

This may sound like blasphemy, but I don't really care anything about "historical accuracy", I just
want quality made, reliable, cost effective AKs (real shooters that will probably never see the inside of my safe). If I had any building talent or tools, then that would be fun, but I don't. I leave building to the pros.

Maybe Atlanticfirearms and others will be posting some prices for the new Saigas soon... then I'll know what
route to take
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 2:39:37 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 6:06:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 6:23:12 PM EDT
Tag and at those prices I would be buying a 12ga, 7.62x39 and maybe one other.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 6:41:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/19/2005 6:42:04 PM EDT by frick]
Picked up a 410 and a 20 gauge, at Dunhams a couple of weeks back, the 20 was 229.00 reduced from 399.00 and the 410 was also 229.00 reduced from 299.00.

Who says you cant find a deal at the big boy shops, and IM an FFL.

I know, they MAY be cheaper from RAA, but I have them NOW and Im SHOOTING them now...........
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 6:43:49 PM EDT
Mr. Atlantic Firearms... I would be "interested" in the .223 & 7.62x39 models

While you're at it, call Russia and tell them that we want some 5.45 as well

Call me crazy, but for those prices... I think it would be a great place to start with
"converting" for an AK newb

So I read that article on conversion and the guy said 3 hours...

So if I multiply X.... and add the time up for.... eat.... think about sleep..... fix what I screwed up in step 3.... re-do step 3 because I read it wrong.... pass Go and collect 200.... I should be able to complete a conversion right before the second coming of Christ

Is it measure once cut twice, or just eyeball it then cut

Wonder when we will be seeing some pics of these nice guns ?
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 8:21:34 PM EDT
Okay, I checked around.

The average price for an unconverted Saiga in .223 or 7.62x39mm is $300. The average price for the .308 is between $400 and $500.

The average price for a converted Saiga in any caliber is $500 to $600.

I'm hoping new imports become a definite reality and the price goes down drastically. Then I could conceivably get my dream AK before Hitlery comes to power and the Beast rules us for seven years.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 8:25:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bones21:
Mr. Atlantic Firearms... I would be "interested" in the .223 & 7.62x39 models

While you're at it, call Russia and tell them that we want some 5.45 as well

Call me crazy, but for those prices... I think it would be a great place to start with
"converting" for an AK newb

So I read that article on conversion and the guy said 3 hours...

So if I multiply X.... and add the time up for.... eat.... think about sleep..... fix what I screwed up in step 3.... re-do step 3 because I read it wrong.... pass Go and collect 200.... I should be able to complete a conversion right before the second coming of Christ

Is it measure once cut twice, or just eyeball it then cut

Wonder when we will be seeing some pics of these nice guns ?



Its cut first, eyeball it, cut some more, then measure.....then......

Just take your time and avail yourself of the considerable pool of knowledge which resides here.

Link Posted: 9/19/2005 8:29:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS:
We do not have the pricing completely ironed out yet but we think the 762 & .223 base rifles will be around $259-269 range. Looks like the standard line up will be avaiable , .308, .223, 762 x39 , 12 ga,20 ga & 410 . Please let us know what models most people are intersted in and we can check on future availibilty etc. Thank You ,Atlantic Firearms,llc



Those prices sound reasonable.

I would like to see a 5.45x39 version of the base rifle.

Link Posted: 9/19/2005 8:32:32 PM EDT
supposedly
(from an aim conversation with debbie of raac)
they will be importing 30-06 saigas
and possibly 7.62x54r saigas
well see
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 2:58:30 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 4:22:37 AM EDT
I'll tell you what I want the most: A .308 cal., 16" barrel, and 20-25 rd mags for it.

OJF
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 5:05:59 AM EDT
I want a .223 AK...... If I missed it.... When are they expected in ??????? WarDawg
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 8:18:52 AM EDT
223 for me too......They are expected in at the end of October.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 8:36:48 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 1:41:47 PM EDT
I think there is a lot of interest for the .223 guns. I hope the newer models have the mag well dimples. I would also like to see the 20" .223 imported; previously not available in the American market.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 2:13:16 PM EDT
Atlantic...will you guys be selling converted 12s & 20s?
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 2:16:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2005 2:17:24 PM EDT by passgas55]
I would like to have one in 308 before the next hurricane season. You don't take fema cards, do you?
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 9:28:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS:
Yes they do list a 30.06 Saiga but they are expensive they would probably retail over the $750 ish price level.The base 12 ga shotgun should sell in the $369 ish range, please keep in mind these are no official prices but should be close to accurate. We are adding on to our initial order & trying to find out what our clients will want the most.We mainly will carry the 762 rifles & 12 ga shotgun any intrest in the others ? Thank You Atlantic Firearms,llc



Mmm. .30-06 Saiga with Dragunov stock, recoil compensator, and a good scope...

Forget the Romak-3, I gots me some black tip AP!
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