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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:25:32 PM EDT
I talked to a big importer of ammo today and asked why we always seem to run out, why there is a shortage... you know the usual.
The answer I got way " We you know... its the world economy..."... O.k lame enough answer so I asked...." are the importers just not buying enough to meet demand", the answer was " I dont have time to get into details but its the world economy...materials and such"... ok another lame answer so I asked " So why dont you order more ammo since there is obviously a huge demand for it. I dont belive the bull about russian filling military orders for this country or that one... just like us they have the capacity to fill huge orders very quickly....
Bottom line is we have to deal with an industry that thinks we are all idiots, and we take it. World economy my ass.. When we place huge orders from China or Europe... we have it in 2 weeks or less and we can track it... these importers tell us "yeah the boat is on the way"... and we all buy it.... I dont know about you but 3-10 million dollars worth of ammo on a ship or plane is a trackable item and should be... and it shouldnt take 3-4 months to ship anything anymore.
My opinon is that they are: 1 not ordering for the demand 2 they are not telling us the truth. 3 they are getting us to feed into this shortage bull so they can jack up the price.
We all need to put pressure on these guys and get some straight answers.
When you have guys like ORF that can get all sorts of stuff here in a hurry... ammo should not be that difficult regardless of any additional rules and regs.
Anthony

Link Posted: 12/21/2005 6:41:06 PM EDT
Do a bit of research in the way Soviet industry was organised and managed. They are trying to come out from that now but there is still a lot of "the Russian way of doing things".

It is never just that simple with them. Different culture, different ideology, different agendas, different political system that still has its' hands in the works to some degree.

If it were just that simple, the ammunition would be here.
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 8:18:51 PM EDT
Kinda funny to listen to all the reasons behind the shortage. I've heard:

- blame the war in Iraq
- Katrina
- copper shortages

etc.

Best thing is to just hoard the stuff when it's cheap and ride out the shortages
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 9:53:05 PM EDT
It's just irritating that there seems to be a shortage with everything... It seems like everything AK related is out of stock and on back order, perfect timing of course...
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 6:09:08 AM EDT
HELLO PEOPLE......WAKE UP......... Did anyone ever think that this is one of big brothers forms of gun control? He knows he's going to have one hell of a fight on his hands if he tries to take our firearms, so whats the next best thing? OUR AMMO. And he knows we can't do anything about it. I hope most of you stocked up when the getting was good........
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 6:11:39 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 9:22:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Beerbellybo:
HELLO PEOPLE......WAKE UP......... Did anyone ever think that this is one of big brothers forms of gun control? He knows he's going to have one hell of a fight on his hands if he tries to take our firearms, so whats the next best thing? OUR AMMO. And he knows we can't do anything about it. I hope most of you stocked up when the getting was good........



Oh for christs sakes.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 10:22:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By avengeusa:
i heard iran was buying it all up for the coming war with israel, and the usa zionists




I like this answer the best. Entertaining at least.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 10:32:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By actionpur:

My opinon is that they are: 1 not ordering for the demand 2 they are not telling us the truth. 3 they are getting us to feed into this shortage bull so they can jack up the price.





So they just don't want to sell things, in your opinion?


Well, tell ya what - get licensed, do up a business plan, get a loan and import a shitload yourself - make a fortune
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 11:40:33 AM EDT
Nation wide price fixing on something no one has in stock. I have never been to business school, but this is an origional way to do it.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 2:47:17 PM EDT
The stuff is not available.

It is war related.

As for big brother....when there is a shortage of powder, primers, brass and bullets then I'd be worried. Until then, I have enough 308, 223 and 7.62x39 to last me until Jesus gets back thanks to Mr. Dillon.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 2:02:10 AM EDT
Probably also the lifting of the stupid 94 AWB (AKs all over and cheap) and the influx of Yugo SKSs. The Russians underestimated the ammo diet of the American shooter. The USA is one of the few countries, or maybe the only one, where families and friends order ammo by the crate just for a weekend get together. It really is not uncommon for someone to use a shopping cart to get their ammo from the store to the car.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 10:02:03 AM EDT
Supply and demand or lack of supply. Whatever, we can speculate that they are holding back supply to drive up price or ammo supply has gone toward Iraq and Afganistan.

To me we have had a feeding frenzy or panic buying with guys buying as much as they can. So we cleaned out the suppliers. That's why I have several different caliber weapons. I can sit out the 7.62x39 dry spell. Heck there are issue with 223 but components are available to roll your own.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 7:26:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AIRBOSS4:
The stuff is not available.

It is war related.



Nooooo. You’re joking, right? Surely you don’t mean the “cakewalk war” in Iraq.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 7:34:09 PM EDT
So...

Exactly how long does it take a "boat" to get to the US?
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 9:06:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Maschinengewehr34:

Originally Posted By AIRBOSS4:
The stuff is not available.

It is war related.



Nooooo. You’re joking, right? Surely you don’t mean the “cakewalk war” in Iraq.



Nope.
Link Posted: 12/24/2005 7:10:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/24/2005 7:11:32 AM EDT by Rocklock]
Not to hijack BUT ".303 Brithish is gone all dryed up may not be back" , per Eric the ammo man on phone call .

Yea sure , I just got a decent deal on a .303 Rifle and snaped it up . The next "... last lot ... ever .... known to exist anywhere" will be discovered somewhere . I've been reading Shotgun News "last this and that" since 76' ....

Cheap AK ammo will be back no doubt .

ETA so it might make some sense ....!
Link Posted: 12/24/2005 8:07:57 AM EDT
I really don't think there is anything amiss going on with the importers. There are many ammunition importers in the U.S., and any one company that purposefully slowed or stopped their imports would lose sales to a competitor. The idea that there may be an agreement between importers to slow importation would be called price collusion, and is largely illegal.

There are so many variables at play - raw materials, manufacturing ability, preferential sales to non-U.S. parties, government regulation, export laws or delays, shipping availability and cost, import laws or delays, product pricing, etc. It would be hard to speculate on exactly where the hang up may be. I don't purport to have any special insight on this, as I am not a specialist on the ammunition market, importation or shipping. But, as a Financial Analyst, I will give my opinion that what we are seeing is not the result of any explicit agreements, but instead is merely reaction to current market conditions.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 7:47:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AIRBOSS4:

Originally Posted By Maschinengewehr34:

Originally Posted By AIRBOSS4:
The stuff is not available.

It is war related.



Nooooo. You’re joking, right? Surely you don’t mean the “cakewalk war” in Iraq.



Nope.



Oh.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 8:19:44 PM EDT
To me it is not that complicated, all new production ammo is going to Iraq. Most probably uncle sam pays much more per round than we do...
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 9:25:17 PM EDT
As evidenced in a previous post:

“According to the September 1 Manufacturing & Technology News, the Government Accounting Office has reported the US military’s use of small caliber ammunition has risen to 1.8 billion rounds. Think about that number. If 2,000 insurgents have been killed, each death required 900,000 rounds of ammunition.

“The combination of US government-owned ammo plants and those of US commercial producers together cannot make bullets as fast as US troops are firing them. The Bush administration has had to turn to foreign producers such as Israel Military Industries.

“Think about that. Hollowed out US industry cannot produce enough ammunition to defeat a 20,000 man insurgency.”


Sorry, guys, but the ammo situation doesn’t look good.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 10:38:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By smallmonkey:
The USA is one of the few countries, or maybe the only one, where families and friends order ammo by the crate just for a weekend get together. It really is not uncommon for someone to use a shopping cart to get their ammo from the store to the car.



MY MONEY 'S ON THIS ONE!

Link Posted: 12/26/2005 9:29:38 AM EDT
I read lots og very good explainations.... However they also brought up other ideas.
1. We dont buy ammo from russia so how does that affect the barnaul and wolf supply? Other than the raw materials, etc.
2. With the large scale production of anything, be it barrels, triggers, paintballs...you name it, there is going to be a very large supply of things that didnt meet code and so you have the Seconds and the XM193's, and the 40% off barrels with the anodizing that is not perfect... so if anything this should be producing a huge amount of ammo that would be great for the average blasting ammo right?
3. If its a money thing, then these importers should look at taking investors... hell I would love to be able to invest in a huge ship full of ammo and be able to make a bunk of money on the deal... For the first time in a long time the firearms industry is starting to grow again and we have Katrina, Terrorism, and a lack of faith in law enforcement to protect us to thank for it... we need to capitalize on this momentum and make sure that the growth will continue....
4.No one has addressed the issue of tracking a shippment. heck I havent even heard any sarcastic responses yet :)
Bottom line is we should all be concerned for our own reasons as to why the ammo situation is the way it is.
Hopefully this will all be resolved by these ghost ships arriving soon... arriving soon.... arriving soon.... arriving soon................... ....

Anthony
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 11:14:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By smallmonkey:
Probably also the lifting of the stupid 94 AWB (AKs all over and cheap) and the influx of Yugo SKSs. The Russians underestimated the ammo diet of the American shooter. The USA is one of the few countries, or maybe the only one, where families and friends order ammo by the crate just for a weekend get together. It really is not uncommon for someone to use a shopping cart to get their ammo from the store to the car.



I'm going with this one.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 1:18:45 PM EDT
Panic buying and increased hoarding will cause shortages as per Econ. 101.

Seasons Greetings
Mild Bill

Link Posted: 12/26/2005 7:26:00 PM EDT
Silly fools, how little you know...

Ok, first the Russians sent a shipment to us that got diverted around South America after libtards in CA wanted to sink the ship to keep right wingers from getting ammo, the ship was then supposed to dock in at New Orleans but just then Katrina hit, creating mass choas and pandemonium. Then lootie, after drinking much heiniken (sp), proceeded to steal all the wolf ammo for use in cheap WASR's robbed from a nearby Dunhams. Fortunatly for us, the POPO confiscated lootie's WASR's and his ammo. However, during the gunfight, lootie, in a drunken rage, charged toward police offficers with a broken heiniken bottle. The officers responded by tasing him several times, (actually 134 times) until he was pronounced dead on the scene. (This is the official reason for death of Lootie, others site al pacino using that gun from heat while dressed in marpart, aided by african guerillas eating those quiznos things) After this incident the police desposed of the ammo by giving it to Iraqi national guard troops who promptly sealed it in sea shipping containers, despite their country being landlocked. But then, Navy SEALS demanded the ammo for use in their modified SKS's like we all know they prefer for its fully automatic capibility and pinpoint accuracy as well as reliable operation from space shuttle door gunturrets, which use a hexagonal linked system of premium yugo-sks's sporting the latest govt. only TAPCO gear. These seals joined with chuck noris to assassinate the IRanian president for being an asshole. They ultimately failed because chuck noris belched inside the space shuttle dropship, killing all aboard. A tragic day for all, but Chuck Noris was never held accountable for his friendly fire, because, I mean who can resist Chuck? He has that beard, you try telling him when not to belch. The ammo is currently being used by chuck as toothpicks, to pluck out the bones of indonesian orphans, his favorite snack. Chuck always eats at the firing line. First he uses the bullet tip as a toothpick then throws the round down range. His shot groouping is always less than the caliber of the bullet, even at 100,000 yd ranges.


So until Chuck Noris stops eating indonesian orphans, our ammo will be used by him to keep their little bones from becoming an annoyance in his godly mouth. (Lil typo here, it appears that Chuck is actually greater than god himself, therefore it would be correct to say that God is "Chuckly", rather than Chuck is godly.)

And that is where our ammo is!!!
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 9:46:57 AM EDT
Hey! What's your goddamned problem with Chuck Norris? Leave Chuck out of it.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 3:45:59 AM EDT
So in the end it seems we all have been bent over, and been CHUCKED.
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