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Posted: 2/22/2007 12:31:22 PM EST
Yep, go ahead and thank the brady bunch, the Zumbos and all who would place a shackle on our 2nd amendment rights- I'm buying an AK47. Just because I can. Perhaps even 2 just for good measure. I sincerely believe that in 2 years time, it's going to be all over and I am going to try and buy anything with a flash suppressor, hi-cap mag, bayo lug, etc etc. Call it an investment.

I do not have any qualms about buying the cheapest Romanian rifle I can get my hands on, but I would prefer something slightly decent. I'm not going to go all the way and get an Arsenal or some such 800+ dollar gun but I will try and get something with black poly furniture (to match my AR15 AND it may keep better if I have to bury it in the backyard..)

I was thinking something along the lines of this Vector Arms, AK47 classic, with the black poly stock set- www.atlanticfirearms.com/programming/expand.asp?Prodid=233
Seems like a good deal at 499- No?
Well it's either going to be that or the Romanian Combo Package - www.atlanticfirearms.com/programming/expand.asp?Prodid=234

Seems likeI have been given no choice but to buy em up before I can't do it legally anymore.

Hey- it doesnt feel too bad over here on the dark side!
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 12:38:21 PM EST
Vector.
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 12:49:19 PM EST
I won't comment on what to buy but will say this; When you think it's time to bury your rifles, it is in fact time to dig them up. YMMV.
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 1:03:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By munkalido:
I won't comment on what to buy but will say this; When you think it's time to bury your rifles, it is in fact time to dig them up. YMMV.


When you think it's time to bury your rifles, it is in fact time to dig them up.

I'll give ya 20rds of Monarch for that sigline!



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Link Posted: 2/22/2007 1:30:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/22/2007 1:31:21 PM EST by lsmith52]
I have recently purchased three myself. (in the last two months). First was a preban Polytech the second an SLR-105, and just this past week an SLR-106F. I am currently looking for an SLR106FR to add. This is my second go round in the "assualt weapon" arena. Back in 1984 I sold an HK-91,HK-93, and a Belgian FN-FAL for chump change. If I had only known what was coming down the pike.........

I will never sell or give away another of my guns again. Especially if required to do so by the FED's.
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 3:36:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By Thorgrim:
Yep, go ahead and thank the brady bunch, the Zumbos and all who would place a shackle on our 2nd amendment rights- I'm buying an AK47. Just because I can. Perhaps even 2 just for good measure. I sincerely believe that in 2 years time, it's going to be all over and I am going to try and buy anything with a flash suppressor, hi-cap mag, bayo lug, etc etc. Call it an investment.

I do not have any qualms about buying the cheapest Romanian rifle I can get my hands on, but I would prefer something slightly decent. I'm not going to go all the way and get an Arsenal or some such 800+ dollar gun but I will try and get something with black poly furniture (to match my AR15 AND it may keep better if I have to bury it in the backyard..)


Seems likeI have been given no choice but to buy em up before I can't do it legally anymore.


No , you have ALWAYS had a Choice , the Question is - what have you done to
Preserve your rights?

Did you join the NRA or ANY Pro Gun group?

Do you VOTE EVERY YEAR for the Candidates who believe as you do
And continuously let them know your beliefs on the issues ?

Are you an Active member of a Shooting Club that is an asset to your community?

Do you let people know that you are both a responsible Gunowner and an upstanding
citizen by your actions in daily Life ?

This is the Investment you SHOULD have already made

If you have done these things , I commend you

If Not...... Start Now...
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 5:45:58 PM EST


I won't comment on what to buy but will say this; When you think it's time to bury your rifles, it is in fact time to dig them up. YMMV.


That is the best saying I have heard in a LONG time.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 7:58:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By jackb:


I won't comment on what to buy but will say this; When you think it's time to bury your rifles, it is in fact time to dig them up. YMMV.


That is the best saying I have heard in a LONG time.


It's to good to have just been made up.

Where did you get that from???
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 8:07:27 AM EST
THE BILL HAS NO CO-SPONSORS
IT WILL NOT MAKE IT OUT OF COMMITTEE
PLEASE STOP PANICKING
THE SKY IS NOT FALLING
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 8:35:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
THE BILL HAS NO CO-SPONSORS
IT WILL NOT MAKE IT OUT OF COMMITTEE
PLEASE STOP PANICKING
THE SKY IS NOT FALLING


I don't trust politicians, and you shouldn't either its a unhealthy habit. MAKE THEIR FINGERS AND EARS SORE NOW!! To remind them to tread lightly in the future.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 10:59:32 AM EST
Well even if it does not pass... I cannot pass up this opportunity to use that possibiltiy on the "wife"! I believe it will pass in a few years. And by then there is no telling what the prices will be.

I am about finished buying. And one of the reasons is the price keeps steadily going up too. Not just in the last months since the Election either. It's all about doubled in the last three years.

I have bought three AR's and a number of mags for those. And ammo and a complete spare parts kit and some specialty tools.

Now one AK and about 15 High Cap mags and about finished collecting all the stuff to build the second AK. And am considering laying in a spare kit and a spare reciever as well. Basicaly a parts gun that one could be.

This is one way to go after you buy they Vector. Pick up a nice Parts Kit gun and a reciever and FCG and mothball it. Something that will work back and forth between the Vector. So you can build one or maintain one and, at least always have one operational.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 11:04:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/23/2007 11:16:55 AM EST by survivorman]
oh really? looky here friends......get on your phones or write some letters SPREAD THE WORD.....do NOT get lazy now......let your reps know this shit will not fly, and its their job on the line if it does.....if you dont do something...dont come bitching later


Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007 (Introduced in House)

HR 1022 IH


110th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 1022
To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

February 13, 2007
Mrs. MCCARTHY of New York introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary


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A BILL
To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007'.

SEC. 2. REINSTATEMENT FOR 10 YEARS OF REPEALED CRIMINAL PROVISIONS RELATING TO ASSAULT WEAPONS AND LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES.

(a) Reinstatement of Provisions Wholly Repealed- Paragraphs (30) and (31) of section 921(a), subsections (v) and (w) and Appendix A of section 922, and the last 2 sentences of section 923(i) of title 18, United States Code, as in effect just before the repeal made by section 110105(2) of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, are hereby enacted into law.

(b) Reinstatement of Provisions Partially Repealed- Section 924 of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) in subsection (a)(1), by striking subparagraph (B) and inserting the following:

`(B) knowingly violates subsection (a)(4), (f), (k), (r), (v), or (w) of section 922;'; and

(2) in subsection (c)(1)(B), by striking clause (i) and inserting the following:

`(i) is a short-barreled rifle, short-barreled shotgun, or semiautomatic assault weapon, the person shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not less than 10 years; or'.

SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.

(a) In General- Section 921(a)(30) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended to read as follows:

`(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means any of the following:

`(A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates thereof:

`(i) AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR;

`(ii) AR-10;

`(iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;

`(iv) AR70;

`(v) Calico Liberty;

`(vi) Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU;

`(vii) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC;

`(viii) Hi-Point Carbine;

`(ix) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, or HK-PSG-1;

`(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;

`(xi) M1 Carbine;

`(xii) Saiga;

`(xiii) SAR-8, SAR-4800;

`(xiv) SKS with detachable magazine;

`(xv) SLG 95;

`(xvi) SLR 95 or 96;

`(xvii) Steyr AUG;

`(xviii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14;

`(xix) Tavor;

`(xx) Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or

`(xxi) Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz).

`(B) The following pistols or copies or duplicates thereof:

`(i) Calico M-110;

`(ii) MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3;

`(iii) Olympic Arms OA;

`(iv) TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10; or

`(v) Uzi.

`(C) The following shotguns or copies or duplicates thereof:

`(i) Armscor 30 BG;

`(ii) SPAS 12 or LAW 12;

`(iii) Striker 12; or

`(iv) Streetsweeper.

`(D) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine, and that has--

`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

`(ii) a threaded barrel;

`(iii) a pistol grip;

`(iv) a forward grip; or

`(v) a barrel shroud.

`(E)(i) Except as provided in clause (ii), a semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

`(ii) Clause (i) shall not apply to an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

`(F) A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has--

`(i) a second pistol grip;

`(ii) a threaded barrel;

`(iii) a barrel shroud; or

`(iv) the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at a location outside of the pistol grip.

`(G) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

`(H) A semiautomatic shotgun that has--

`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

`(ii) a pistol grip;

`(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine; or

`(iv) a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds.

`(I) A shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

`(J) A frame or receiver that is identical to, or based substantially on the frame or receiver of, a firearm described in any of subparagraphs (A) through (I) or (L).

`(K) A conversion kit.

`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.

(b) Related Definitions- Section 921(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(36) Barrel Shroud- The term `barrel shroud' means a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel of a firearm so that the shroud protects the user of the firearm from heat generated by the barrel, but does not include a slide that encloses the barrel, and does not include an extension of the stock along the bottom of the barrel which does not encircle or substantially encircle the barrel.

`(37) Conversion Kit- The term `conversion kit' means any part or combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a firearm into a semiautomatic assault weapon, and any combination of parts from which a semiautomatic assault weapon can be assembled if the parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.

`(38) Detachable Magazine- The term `detachable magazine' means an ammunition feeding device that can readily be inserted into a firearm.

`(39) Fixed Magazine- The term `fixed magazine' means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm.

`(40) Folding or Telescoping Stock- The term `folding or telescoping stock' means a stock that folds, telescopes, or otherwise operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability, of a firearm.

`(41) Forward Grip- The term `forward grip' means a grip located forward of the trigger that functions as a pistol grip.

`(42) Pistol Grip- The term `pistol grip' means a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip.

`(43) Threaded Barrel- The term `threaded barrel' means a feature or characteristic that is designed in such a manner to allow for the attachment of a firearm as defined in section 5845(a) of the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. 5845(a)).'.

SEC. 4. GRANDFATHER PROVISION.

Section 922(v)(2) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended--

(1) by inserting `(A)' after `(2)'; and

(2) by adding after and below the end the following:

`(B) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm the possession or transfer of which would (but for this subparagraph) be unlawful by reason of this subsection, and which is otherwise lawfully possessed on the date of the enactment of this subparagraph.'.

SEC. 5. REPEAL OF CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS.

Section 922(v)(3) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by striking `(3)' and all that follows through the 1st sentence and inserting the following:

`(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm that--

`(A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, level, or slide action;

`(B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or

`(C) is an antique firearm.'.

SEC. 6. REQUIRING BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR THE TRANSFER OF LAWFULLY POSSESSED SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS.

Section 922(v) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(5) It shall be unlawful for any person to transfer a semiautomatic assault weapon to which paragraph (1) does not apply, except through--

`(A) a licensed dealer, and for purposes of subsection (t) in the case of such a transfer, the weapon shall be considered to be transferred from the business inventory of the licensed dealer and the dealer shall be considered to be the transferor; or

`(B) a State or local law enforcement agency if the transfer is made in accordance with the procedures provided for in subsection (t) of this section and section 923(g).

`(6) The Attorney General shall establish and maintain, in a timely manner, a record of the make, model, and date of manufacture of any semiautomatic assault weapon which the Attorney General is made aware has been used in relation to a crime under Federal or State law, and the nature and circumstances of the crime involved, including the outcome of relevant criminal investigations and proceedings. The Attorney General shall annually submit the record to the Congress and make the record available to the general public.'.

SEC. 7. STRENGTHENING THE BAN ON THE POSSESSION OR TRANSFER OF A LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE.

(a) Ban on Transfer of Semiautomatic Assault Weapon With Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device-

(1) IN GENERAL- Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after subsection (y) the following:

`(z) It shall be unlawful for any person to transfer any assault weapon with a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'.

(2) PENALTIES- Section 924(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(8) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(z) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.'.

(b) Certification Requirement-

(1) IN GENERAL- Section 922(w) of such title, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended--

(A) in paragraph (3)--

(i) by adding `or' at the end of subparagraph (B); and

(ii) by striking subparagraph (C) and redesignating subparagraph (D) as subparagraph (C); and

(B) by striking paragraph (4) and inserting the following:

`(4) It shall be unlawful for a licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer who transfers a large capacity ammunition feeding device that was manufactured on or before the date of the enactment of this subsection, to fail to certify to the Attorney General before the end of the 60-day period that begins with the date of the transfer, in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Attorney General, that the device was manufactured on or before the date of the enactment of this subsection.'.

(2) PENALTIES- Section 924(a) of such title, as amended by subsection (a)(2) of this section, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(9) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(w)(4) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.'.

SEC. 8. UNLAWFUL WEAPONS TRANSFERS TO JUVENILES.

Section 922(x) of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) in paragraph (1)--

(A) in subparagraph (B), by striking the period and inserting a semicolon; and

(B) by adding at the end the following:

`(C) a semiautomatic assault weapon; or

`(D) a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'; and

(2) in paragraph (2)--

(A) in subparagraph (B), by striking the period and inserting a semicolon; and

(B) by adding at the end the following:

`(C) a semiautomatic assault weapon; or

`(D) a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'.

SEC. 9. BAN ON IMPORTATION OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE.

(a) In General- Section 922(w) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended--

(1) in paragraph (1), by striking `(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2)' and inserting `(1)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B)';

(2) in paragraph (2), by striking `(2) Paragraph (1)' and inserting `(B) Subparagraph (A)'; and

(3) by inserting before paragraph (3) the following:

`(2) It shall be unlawful for any person to import or bring into the United States a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'.

(b) Conforming Amendment- Section 921(a)(31)(A) of such title, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by striking `manufactured after the date of enactment of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994'.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 12:33:16 PM EST
I bought 2 AR's within two months and now looking at either Yugo under folder or m70b1, got both prices and just wait for my FFL to send his licence to then I'm good to go.

Yes I voted and I'm a NRA member too.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 12:39:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By Buglight:

Yes I voted and I'm a NRA member too.


Same here. I am an NRA member as well as a GrassRoots member, I vote religeiously...

Since when did buying in case of a ban get equated with people doing nothing about also preventing a ban? How presumptuous of you.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 12:49:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
THE BILL HAS NO CO-SPONSORS
IT WILL NOT MAKE IT OUT OF COMMITTEE
PLEASE STOP PANICKING
THE SKY IS NOT FALLING



Way too complacent IMO. If there is someone out there putting bills together like this I say Why isn't there someone putting bills out there supporting OUR ideals?

they're fighting for what they want we should fight for what we want more! Noone should "rest easy" IMO.

Link Posted: 2/23/2007 12:53:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By cphilip:

Originally Posted By Buglight:

Yes I voted and I'm a NRA member too.


Same here. I am an NRA member as well as a GrassRoots member, I vote religeiously...

Since when did buying in case of a ban get equated with people doing nothing about also preventing a ban? How presumptuous of you.


I didn't buy the rifles because of just in case of the ban, I bought them because I like to have "one of each" rifle on the market, I was too busy to get the handguns that I like then realize that I haven't have much on the rifles. Time to stock them up.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 2:28:29 PM EST
Don't buy, build on a flat. That gives the gun grabbers the willys.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:09:54 PM EST
I bought a cheap one two weeks ago,but I am going to a gun show next week and try to pick up a better one. Those WASRs do look like they were made in 8th grade special ed. shop class. As long as they go bang,I guess that is OK,though.
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