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Posted: 12/14/2016 3:01:31 PM EDT
I have an Arsenal SLR104-51 and I thought I'd get a jump on things by getting my trust info laser-engraved right away while my Form 1 was pending. Well, I've since lost interest and really don't want this gun anymore. There are other things I'd like to use the money for. For the record, I did verify with the ATF that I can cancel my Form 1. Unfortunately, I have to wait while they catch up on applications and actually log mine into the system before they can cancel it out and initiate a refund.

Obviously if the gun wasn't engraved, selling it wouldn't be an issue. However, since it is engraved, I don't know if I'm setting myself up for any headaches by trying to sell it with my trust info on it. I've already looked into it having the engraving machined down with a rectangle or similar shape eliminating the text, but don't know if that would make things worse. Looking for advice on how to get rid of this gun in the best way possible. Not looking for discussion on why I should keep it. Thanks.

Link Posted: 12/14/2016 3:06:56 PM EDT
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just sell it.you'll be out the 200 bucks for the tax, but that is the choice you made
Link Posted: 12/14/2016 3:09:47 PM EDT
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just sell it.you'll be out the 200 bucks for the tax, but that is the choice you made
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Actually I'll get my $200 back from the ATF. As I wrote in the original post, I've already verified this. It will just likely take 6-8 mos to get that money back. My question isn't whether I should sell it, it's am I going to have any issues selling it with my trust info on it? Does that pose any legal ramifications down the road or does it diminish the value, make it undesirable for a potential buyer, etc.?
Link Posted: 12/14/2016 3:13:38 PM EDT
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My question isn't whether I should sell it, it's am I going to have any issues selling it with my trust info on it? Does that pose any legal ramifications down the road or does it diminish the value, make it undesirable for a potential buyer, etc.?
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No legal ramifications, but it's no longer as desirable to a buyer with your stuff engraved on it.

To be clear, *I* wouldn't want to buy a firearm with your custom engraving on it unless you gave me a real sweet deal on the price - it's just a marked-up, used gun, now.
Link Posted: 12/14/2016 3:48:41 PM EDT
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Agreed its going to matter to who I think the buyers that are interested in this firearm are.  I would look at filling your trust info with a epoxy, or solder  then refinish for best value.
Link Posted: 12/14/2016 8:22:27 PM EDT
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No legal issues at all. But it will be worth less money since most people won't buy it with your info engraved on it unless it's a killer deal. The grey paint will probably cause similar issues with the sale.
Link Posted: 12/14/2016 8:34:06 PM EDT
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The $200 Tactical Gray Cerakote job hopefully increases the value, albeit to the right buyer. Regardless, it sounds like this is a losing proposition for me to try and sell it given the engraving and custom color.
Link Posted: 12/14/2016 9:37:17 PM EDT
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The $200 Tactical Gray Cerakote job hopefully increases the value, albeit to the right buyer. Regardless, it sounds like this is a losing proposition for me to try and sell it given the engraving and custom color.
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Honestly, it would decrease it to everyone that didn't want that color.

To be blunt, you will probably take a $30% hit. That's my opinion anyway.
Link Posted: 12/14/2016 9:38:09 PM EDT
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double
Link Posted: 12/14/2016 9:40:16 PM EDT
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I don't want one in that caliber but I'd just go ahead and try and sell it for $50 less than they normally sell for used.

I would NOT waste anymore time or money trying to mess with your engraving.
Link Posted: 12/14/2016 9:40:28 PM EDT
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Is taking a loss on it more important than just holding on to it and finishing the build? I think once you get done with it you'll probably like it a lot.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 4:48:19 PM EDT
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Between the engraving and the cerakote, it'd have to be a steep discount to get me to jump in on it.  While the cerakote is nicer than Arsenal's factory paint, the color is bad-wrong for an AK and it'd need to be corrected.  The engraving is a nuisance of an eyesore, but that could be welded/soldered over and refinished too.  But none of that is "cheap" so I'd be expecting around 40% off between blasting, filling the engraving, and refinishing.  If the election turned out differently, maybe it'd have retained a good value, but as it stands you are going to take a beating.

Having done a bunch of Form 1 SBR builds on my trust, I've accepted that selling is going to either require taking them off the registry and refinishing, or selling at a painful discount.  Have to make sure you really, really, really want it when you go that route.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 6:45:07 PM EDT
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Between the engraving and the cerakote, it'd have to be a steep discount to get me to jump in on it.  While the cerakote is nicer than Arsenal's factory paint, the color is bad-wrong for an AK and it'd need to be corrected.  The engraving is a nuisance of an eyesore, but that could be welded/soldered over and refinished too.  But none of that is "cheap" so I'd be expecting around 40% off between blasting, filling the engraving, and refinishing.  If the election turned out differently, maybe it'd have retained a good value, but as it stands you are going to take a beating.

Having done a bunch of Form 1 SBR builds on my trust, I've accepted that selling is going to either require taking them off the registry and refinishing, or selling at a painful discount.  Have to make sure you really, really, really want it when you go that route.
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All fair points. Appreciate the input, guys.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 10:07:49 PM EDT
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Just my opinion, but I have yet to regret any SBR I have done. I've sold a couple due to necessity, but wish I didn't. These rifles really shine once cut down, I don't think you'd regret keeping it.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 11:18:17 PM EDT
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Just my opinion, but I have yet to regret any SBR I have done. I've sold a couple due to necessity, but wish I didn't. These rifles really shine once cut down, I don't think you'd regret keeping it.
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Probably will just keep it as it will require too much money and effort to make it sellable. I'd just be throwing money away. Hopefully once it is approved to get shortened and the barrel gets chopped and the gas restrictor gets drilled out, it will be a cool little PDW.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:38:13 PM EDT
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I think that's a pretty rifle, I like the color. If I was in the market for a 5.45 i'd sure make an offer on it.

You should keep it OP, these loss-of-interest-in-one/gotta-have-this-new-thing moments are so common for gun enthusiasts, but you'll be kicking yourself down the line if you sell it. Hang tight and just save up the money for the new thing you want.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:52:29 PM EDT
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I think that's a pretty rifle, I like the color. If I was in the market for a 5.45 i'd sure make an offer on it.
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I think that's a pretty rifle, I like the color. If I was in the market for a 5.45 i'd sure make an offer on it.

Thanks Dragynn.

Quoted:You should keep it OP, these loss-of-interest-in-one/gotta-have-this-new-thing moments are so common for gun enthusiasts, but you'll be kicking yourself down the line if you sell it. Hang tight and just save up the money for the new thing you want.

I go through those moments a lot. It drives my wife nuts. It drives me nuts!

And for the record, that *new* thing I want: PRI Mk 12 Mod 0 Retro Gen II.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:53:18 PM EDT
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This is exactly why I decided against going SBR. You can't even bequeath it without the recipient getting his own stamp and having it re-engraved. Plus, with the pistols you can get with the wrist brace, that can be freely traded to anyone who can have a hand gun, the SBR to me becomes irrelevant.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 4:15:30 PM EDT
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I love my Daniel Defense DDMK18 factory SBR and wouldn't ever want to get rid of it. No engraving required since it was factory-built. Love it. It is so well-balanced and maneuverable.

Link Posted: 12/16/2016 5:05:24 PM EDT
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This is exactly why I decided against going SBR. You can't even bequeath it without the recipient getting his own stamp and having it re-engraved. Plus, with the pistols you can get with the wrist brace, that can be freely traded to anyone who can have a hand gun, the SBR to me becomes irrelevant.
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Nothing needs re-engraved when you sell a form 1 SBR
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 12:47:33 PM EDT
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Well, no harm in trying, right?

Armslist Posting
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:08:56 PM EDT
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Nothing needs re-engraved when you sell a form 1 SBR
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This is exactly why I decided against going SBR. You can't even bequeath it without the recipient getting his own stamp and having it re-engraved. Plus, with the pistols you can get with the wrist brace, that can be freely traded to anyone who can have a hand gun, the SBR to me becomes irrelevant.

Nothing needs re-engraved when you sell a form 1 SBR

And using a trust negates the "You can't even bequeath it without the recipient getting his own stamp"

Pretty sure even if you don't use a trust, there is no fee on the transfer after the owners death.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 4:05:32 PM EDT
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Pretty sure even if you don't use a trust, there is no fee on the transfer after the owners death.
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No tax if it goes to an heir. If it's sold out of the estate to someone other than the heir, it's a tax-paid transfer.
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