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Posted: 8/6/2005 7:41:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/6/2005 7:46:24 PM EDT by fadedsun]
It appears that in the late 80's a massive conscription effort went out in Romania, which inturn made the Cugir factory begin to produce AKMs at a very fast pace. The ones marked "G" could have been for these new conscripts (IE Guard or the equivelant in Romanian).

"The Armed Forces are manned and equipped on the basis of the Law on National Defense of the Socialist Republic of Romania (SSR). Military service is mandatory for all citizens of the SSR. The term of active military duty is one year and four months for all branches of troops, two years for the Navy and on ships of the border troops. The draft age is 18 years for citizens with a secondary education and 20 years for others. The maximum age for draftees is 26 years. Men between the ages of 20 and 50 years and women between 18 and 45 can be enlisted for military services ... Reservists continue their training at periodic assemblies. These last up three months as necessary for individuals up to the age of 45 years, and one three month assembly is held for those between the ages of 46 and 50."

Further on: "A great deal of attention is devoted to theoretical training and field exercises for the fightingmen, to rifle, drill and other training, field firing and missile lauchings. The troops learn how to operate in any situation, including one approaching actual combat as nearly as possible, and make intensive use of the time to improve the quality of their combat and political training.

"In the training of commanders and staffs an important place is assigned to making the use of personnel and equipment in a rapidly changing combat situation even more effective, efficient and skillful. In the classes and exercises a great deal of attention is given to the physical fitness of the sub-units (squads 'n platoons) and units (companies 'n batteries) and to their capacity for rapid and maneuverable actions, surprise and the seizure of initiative in a battle. The fightingmen learn how to execute missions rapidly and decisively, to withstand hardships courageously, to perform in the manner essential in warfare and to master two or several related specialties.

"The competion for the title of "Advanced Fightingman" and "Advanced Sub-unit" has taken on broad scope in the forces. Olympiads of specialists, ten-day and week-long records events, competitions for the "Accurate Firing Cup" and so forth are conducted w/ the active participation of Young communist League organizations. The servicemen compete for the "Outstanding Servicemen" and "Advanced Participant in Patriotic Labor" badges."

IBTTRH

Ben
Link Posted: 8/6/2005 7:59:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/6/2005 8:02:20 PM EDT by 1Gunner]
The official language of the time would have been Russian
and Cyrillic doesn't have a "G" it would have been "г"
Romanian does have a "G" but under so circumstances would they use that, especially on military arms, until after 1989

That G had to be put there after 1989...maybe it does mean Guard or "to be of the guards" (there words are complicated) but it wasn't there prior, which still poses the question.....why mark them a period of time in Romanian after issue to the guards during the soviet era?

Link Posted: 8/6/2005 8:10:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/6/2005 8:14:21 PM EDT by fadedsun]

Originally Posted By 1Gunner:
The official language of the time would have been Russian
and Cyrillic doesn't have a "G" it would have been "г"
Romanian does have a "G" but under so circumstances would they use that, especially on military arms, until after 1989

That G had to be put there after 1989...maybe it does mean Guard or "to be of the guards" (there words are complicated) but it wasn't there prior, which still poses the question.....why mark them a period of time in Romanian after issue to the guards during the soviet era?




Heck the G could stand for GP-75, which was the semi-auto rifle issued to Romanians fullfilling the compulsory military service.

Who has the number for the CUGIR arsenal? I'd like to get ahold of whoever decided to put the "G" on the rifles....

ben
Link Posted: 8/6/2005 8:53:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/6/2005 8:56:17 PM EDT by tapeo1]

Originally Posted By 1Gunner:
The official language of the time would have been Russian
and Cyrillic doesn't have a "G" it would have been "г"
Romanian does have a "G" but under so circumstances would they use that, especially on military arms, until after 1989

That G had to be put there after 1989...maybe it does mean Guard or "to be of the guards" (there words are complicated) but it wasn't there prior, which still poses the question.....why mark them a period of time in Romanian after issue to the guards during the soviet era?




Are you saying that the written Romanian language used Cyrillic until 1989? If so, that's simply not true. The Romanian language has used the Roman alphabet for well over 100 years. Russian was never the official language of Romania. Cyrillic was used however in Moldova by Romanian speakers.

"Romanian is written in a Roman alphabet that was instituted in 1859. Prior to that it was written in a Cyrillic alphabet introduced into Romanian via Old Church Slavic, the language for religious texts. The Roman alphabet now used in Romanian employs diacritics over certain vowels. In addition, a cedilla is used under the letters s and t to represent [sh] and [ts], respectively. Cyrillic continues to be used for Moldavian, which is treated as a separate language largely for political reasons."
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 12:11:36 AM EDT
if Russian was the official language till 1989, then why does my 1981 kit have non cyrillic letters in the serial?
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 9:40:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/11/2005 10:25:17 PM EDT by tapeo1]
Here's an example of showing the Roman alphabet in use during communist times in Romania....



ETA: This sign roughly translates to...

"Long live the Romanian Communist Party headed by secretary general comrade Nicolae Ceausescu."
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 9:53:26 AM EDT
with friends like you guys....who needs enemies
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 8:55:42 PM EDT
Looks like gunsnet might be right on this one.

Ben
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 9:39:02 PM EDT
What did gunsnet say?
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 5:35:43 AM EDT
The G is a INSPECTOR's mark
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 6:29:29 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 6:36:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2005 6:36:46 AM EDT by Quarterbore]

Originally Posted By fadedsun:

"The Armed Forces are manned and equipped on the basis of the Law on National Defense of the Socialist Republic of Romania (SSR). Military service is mandatory for all citizens of the SSR. The term of active.....

<SNIP>

.... Participant in Patriotic Labor" badges."

IBTTRH

Ben



You forgot to post credits.... the above is from...

the manul of A.D. Verbotslou, in his classic ARMIES OF WARSAW PACT NATIONS (Moscow, 1984) (at least according to the post on gunboards.com as I linked in my thread above).

Link Posted: 8/8/2005 8:45:21 AM EDT
I've got a '77 with a "G". It is actually stamped into the metal, then paint filled.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 10:14:39 AM EDT
Stamped or crudely engraved? Both of mine are the later.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 12:15:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tapeo1:
What did gunsnet say?



Err, Gun boards.

http://www.gunboards.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=116882



Krylonski...hmm...

Link Posted: 8/10/2005 6:12:43 PM EDT
I finally got one of these kits (still have a couple more pending from DPH) and I didn't realize that the serial numbers on most of the parts are also filled with paint... I assume this might also go wit the theory that they are trainers as you sure wouldn't want a headspace issue if someone managed to get their parts mixed up with another guns... I need to get a bunch of photos of my kit up but my time is limited so I may not get them up for quite some time (work travel).
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 6:34:51 PM EDT
The AK "industry" in Romania is much like it is in China - a cottage industry on a large scale, so to speak. I had a Romanian professor of Chemisty at the University of Memphis ten years ago who was from Romania. He had worked in a couple factories in Romania before coming to the US, and if a factory had metalworking capacity, it made Kalashnikov rifles or some part thereof. It was somewhat of a national joke about working in a bicycle factory making rifles.

My "G" marked kit also came with the bobbed disconnector, but auto sear and "anti-bounce" device. I still get a little purturbed about folks calling it a "rate reducer" - any rate reducing effect is a nice side effect, not the primary purpose of it.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 7:28:43 PM EDT
My kit arrives tommorow (And possibly my mags from NJEWT! WOOT!) so I will post lots of detailed pics of the kits.

ben
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 10:42:24 PM EDT
I just got in a few more kits from Scott at DPH. Guys I can't say enough good things about Scott, DPH, and the very professional, yet personalized, way that they conduct their business. It's rare to be able to do business with a company that keeps such accurate records on orders and the status of any individual order. Yet, Scott will personally "walk" your order through the system, and you get timely updates and status reports, letting you know if your order is "pending", and also when it is "shipping" along with tracking details. Such a pleasure to do business with these fine folks. And as a "BONUS" the kit's I"ve received are far beyond my expectations. The two Romanian kits I received today are practically new. They have been shot....but not much. Thanks Scott !!!!!!!!! TANKER
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 12:26:57 AM EDT
Yes, DPH is a great outfit and Scott is very friendly and professional. I really wish DPH would carry the Global receivers too so we don't have to deal with the little issues at Global (like their so-called filing system).
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 10:15:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tapeo1:
Yes, DPH is a great outfit and Scott is very friendly and professional. I really wish DPH would carry the Global receivers too so we don't have to deal with the little issues at Global (like their so-called filing system).



Amen! I wish Scott stocked Armory USA receivers......Armory's great receivers and scott's great service..w00t w00t!

ben
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