Warning

 

Close

Confirm Action

Are you sure you wish to do this?

Confirm Cancel
Member Login
Site Notices
9/22/2017 12:11:25 AM
Arrow Left Previous Page
Page / 2
Posted: 1/4/2006 5:45:27 AM EDT
how good are svd's? does anyone have one?....would they compete with a psg1 very well at long ranges?
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 5:50:30 AM EDT
are you talking about a Real Russian Dragunov? Or the more common Romanian PSL?
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 5:55:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gasbolt:
how good are svd's? does anyone have one?....would they compete with a psg1 very well at long ranges?

They're two entirely different animals,the SVD and PSL were not designed to be tack drivers but hitting a man sized target at 400 meters is not a problem.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 5:57:59 AM EDT
i am refering to a real dragunov.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 6:05:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2006 6:06:48 AM EDT by MauserMark]
The real dragunov, if you can find one here, (and there are some) is gonna be a few grand at least. The next best thing would be the TIGR, that from what I've seen is the close to the same as the Dragunov, but has a shorter barrel. Then you have the PSL. All 3 are good, JOHNO would know more. The PSL is the only one under $1000. and mags are cheaper and easier to find than for the Drags and TIGRs

www.dragunov.net/

this site is the best I've found so far.

-mark
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 6:09:40 AM EDT
Real Russian SVD's are very expensive when you can find one. They did not bring many in before they were stopped from importing them. If you can ever find one expect to see a price tag well into the multiple thousands....

The Chinese copy, the NDM-86 (I believe) comes in both 7.62x54R and 7.62 NATO (.308)...they are a little more reasonable...figure $1500 to $2000 for the gun, again, if you can find one.

Go to www.dragunov.net for more info.....
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 6:10:22 AM EDT
Doh! Beat by MauserMark...
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 6:17:44 AM EDT
anyone watch the SHOOTOUT episode on the battle for Najaf on the History channel recently? A major part of the story was an Iraqi with a Dragunov who killed a handful of marines in the cemetary at reasonable distances, can't remember exactly what the marine said though. they finally killed the bastard though and found his weapon.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 6:52:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MauserMark:

It's not the wolf that sucks, it's you.




Link Posted: 1/4/2006 7:10:39 AM EDT
I think I'm gonna sell my one AR to put towards a PSL or TIGR soon.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 7:13:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2006 7:23:58 AM EDT by firedog51d]
The SVD was designed as a Designated Marksmens Rifle(DMR). It was not designed for head shots at 800 meters but to put machinegunners,rto's,officers,etc. out of commision. The Soviet doctrine was that each platoon would be so equiped. The Soviets made a special sniper round for the SVD. With the sniper round 1MOA was not out of the question.

ETA KBI Drag's are not true SVD's
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:36:46 AM EDT



ETA KBI Drag's are not true SVD's



Correct. The KBI SVDs are actually still on the Izhmash factory catalog as a "Tiger Premium".
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:52:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2006 8:52:51 AM EDT by MauserMark]
what's the difference then between the 2? KBI and a true Drag?
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 9:14:06 AM EDT
The KBI is a commercial reciever,TIGR, with a military barrel,gas adjustment,FH and bayonet lug. It also has the military furniture of course. The commercial reciever does not have the lightening cuts on the side of the reciever. The military SVD has cuts just like a milled AK. True military SVD's are few in this country.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 9:27:54 AM EDT
An out of box SVD is no match to an out of the box HK PSG1, its like comparing a 1969 GTO to a 2006 Ferrari, I can only dream of owning the GTO or the Ferrari, same goes with the SVD and the PSG1. You're not comparing apples to apples.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 9:40:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2006 5:08:01 PM EDT by pmbss396]
The only difference is the KBI import (only 100 imported) is it not having the cuts in the side of the receiver. It is otherwise the same. It is still the closest you can get (in USA) to a military bring back. It is real nice if you can find it with all the accessories.
I don't know how it would compare to the PSG but the card that is with mine, when it was tested and shot in Russia, was 5cm @100m (about 2moa). And ironically they sold a PSG1 just before I bought the SVD for about 6 times the price.

Added later:
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 10:19:50 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 10:21:07 AM EDT
here's another at a reasonable price:

www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=42065174
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 10:29:30 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 11:43:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MauserMark:
are these not lightening cuts?

www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=41978228



Nope, the cuts are just like a milled AK, check out the Bulgarians.

FWIW, I know a guy with a legit Soviet SVD, straight up military,has the cuts, an 78 Izhevsk built rifle IIRC and no import marks.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 11:46:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By motorcityman:
An out of box SVD is no match to an out of the box HK PSG1, its like comparing a 1969 GTO to a 2006 Ferrari, I can only dream of owning the GTO or the Ferrari, same goes with the SVD and the PSG1. You're not comparing apples to apples.



Did you know that the guy who owns Mid West Ordinance was one of the guys who imported the KBI rifles? There are a few Drags floating around Detroit.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 3:16:41 PM EDT
I Read that in the mid 60's the CIA paid 25,000 dollars for one to a defected NVA sniper just so they could inspect the rifle.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 3:32:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By motorcityman:
I Read that in the mid 60's the CIA paid 25,000 dollars for one to a defected NVA sniper just so they could inspect the rifle.



That's .gov pricing for ya!
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 3:37:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MauserMark:
are these not lightening cuts?

www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=41978228




Those are the bipod cuts.


Lightening cuts are these:

Link Posted: 1/4/2006 4:48:22 PM EDT
Nice Picture !
Here's mine


I talked to the importer at the NRA show (Houston 2005), he said KBI lost money on SVD they imported back in '94. I do wish you could get more.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 4:56:53 PM EDT
[drooling] Very nice ! [/drooling]

Z



Link Posted: 1/4/2006 5:04:52 PM EDT
Here is the "no cut" receiver.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 5:18:42 PM EDT
My god, how on earth can you carry such a heavy thing?



Link Posted: 1/4/2006 5:27:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2006 5:28:05 PM EDT by JaketheSnake]

Originally Posted By TX-Zen:
My god, how on earth can you carry such a heavy thing?


Poor, Poor, Poor Man

Send it to me, I'll lug around that thing for you!
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 6:36:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2006 6:37:16 PM EDT by Tomac]
The biggest obstacle to realizing the SVD's full accuracy potential is the lack of true lightweight (appx 150gr) 7.62x54 match ammo. However, the .308 NDM-86 is another story altogether as it shoots far better than any 20yr-old semi-auto w/chromed bore ought to. With budget match ammo, my indifferent shooting skills & a cheap Russian 8x scope my personal best 4-shot ctc group at 100yds is .44", my best 3-shot ctc group at 100yds is .24" and my best 3-shot ctc group at 500m is 4.5". I can consistently hit the 36" gong at 900m or hit a bowling pin at 500m if I do my part. Is that good enough to outshoot a PSG-1?... I don't know (I've never had the opportunity to shoot a PSG-1 for comparison) but it's accurate enough that I now own several NDM-86's including one I gave my son.
Tomac
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 6:42:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pmbss396:
Nice Picture !
Here's mine
img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/929776/SVD025.jpg

I talked to the importer at the NRA show (Houston 2005), he said KBI lost money on SVD they imported back in '94. I do wish you could get more.



damn thats beautiful!
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 6:57:49 PM EDT
Now that's what I call gun porn!
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 7:01:47 PM EDT
Hey, Will you adopt me??
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 7:56:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By firedog51d:
FWIW, I know a guy with a legit Soviet SVD, straight up military,has the cuts, an 78 Izhevsk built rifle IIRC and no import marks.



I have recently seen a few of them, all early 80's marks with lightening cuts. I wonder what kind of premium these would fetch.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:16:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2006 8:23:15 PM EDT by Beyond_Visual_Range]
My pair:

Link Posted: 1/4/2006 9:15:13 PM EDT
Drool. Total drool.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 9:29:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PvtPyle:

Originally Posted By firedog51d:
FWIW, I know a guy with a legit Soviet SVD, straight up military,has the cuts, an 78 Izhevsk built rifle IIRC and no import marks.



I have recently seen a few of them, all early 80's marks with lightening cuts. I wonder what kind of premium these would fetch.



Even in battlefield pick up condition, about the same as a NIB KBI..

I got $6K for two of them in 1995, and that was to a dealer (who is naturally going to bone you).. At the time, KBI SVDs were still selling for $3k NIB.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 5:52:01 AM EDT
you guy's should send me your rifles........you know,just so i can test them...hehehe...very nice weopons....i prefer bolt guns for extended range...but when i saw a dragunov at the local gun show like 3 years back it just caught my eye....it is a good looking rifle.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 6:06:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2006 6:44:52 AM EDT by MauserMark]
I've heard similar about the PSL. that with match handloads it's easily capable of 2-1MOA.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 6:12:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Beyond_Visual_Range:
My pair:

img236.imageshack.us/img236/1715/svdndm86woodpolymer43ux.jpg




wow
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:07:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Beyond_Visual_Range:
My pair:

img236.imageshack.us/img236/1715/svdndm86woodpolymer43ux.jpg



Man I want one of those so bad.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:31:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Stottman:

Originally Posted By PvtPyle:

Originally Posted By firedog51d:
FWIW, I know a guy with a legit Soviet SVD, straight up military,has the cuts, an 78 Izhevsk built rifle IIRC and no import marks.



I have recently seen a few of them, all early 80's marks with lightening cuts. I wonder what kind of premium these would fetch.



Even in battlefield pick up condition, about the same as a NIB KBI..

I got $6K for two of them in 1995, and that was to a dealer (who is naturally going to bone you).. At the time, KBI SVDs were still selling for $3k NIB.



you had TWO!!
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:41:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2006 10:42:10 AM EDT by Stottman]

Originally Posted By firedog51d:

Originally Posted By Stottman:

Originally Posted By PvtPyle:

Originally Posted By firedog51d:
FWIW, I know a guy with a legit Soviet SVD, straight up military,has the cuts, an 78 Izhevsk built rifle IIRC and no import marks.



I have recently seen a few of them, all early 80's marks with lightening cuts. I wonder what kind of premium these would fetch.



Even in battlefield pick up condition, about the same as a NIB KBI..

I got $6K for two of them in 1995, and that was to a dealer (who is naturally going to bone you).. At the time, KBI SVDs were still selling for $3k NIB.



you had TWO!!



Three.. Kept one for myself....

Dumb 18yr old Army PVT, trip to the Balkans, an Arms Bazaar downtown with dealers willing to trade for Nikes, Levi's and a Casio, no customs between there and the US, Relaxed SF unit, .....You do the math.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 11:35:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2006 11:36:11 AM EDT by firedog51d]

you had TWO!!

Three.. Kept one for myself....

Dumb 18yr old Army PVT, trip to the Balkans, an Arms Bazaar downtown with dealers willing to trade for Nikes, Levi's and a Casio, no customs between there and the US, Relaxed SF unit, .....You do the math.

PICTURES MAN! PICTURES!!
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 11:49:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By firedog51d:
you had TWO!!

Three.. Kept one for myself....

Dumb 18yr old Army PVT, trip to the Balkans, an Arms Bazaar downtown with dealers willing to trade for Nikes, Levi's and a Casio, no customs between there and the US, Relaxed SF unit, .....You do the math.

PICTURES MAN! PICTURES!!



Dont have any actually...Put everything up 7 1/2 years ago when I left for Germany....That was way before the digital camera era.

Plus now, technically its my fathers.. Its one of two AWs I gave him so that he could register them in CA during the last ban there... He was more interested in accurate sniper type rifles then I am.. Normally they bore me, except from maybe a collectors standpoint.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 8:30:13 PM EDT
Somehow everyone missed the the original question, short answer: SVD is no PSG1.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 4:38:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Beyond_Visual_Range:
Somehow everyone missed the the original question, short answer: SVD is no PSG1.



True, but then PSG1 is no SVD either...
Tomac
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 12:53:06 PM EDT
I found what the gun dealer claims is a Soviet Drag for $600 in VA. I read the other posts about how a true Soviet Drag runs upwards of $2k. What should I look for to determine its authenticity from other models? A $600 Drag is probably a "what?" at that price?
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:10:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/1/2006 1:11:10 PM EDT by MauserMark]

Originally Posted By TribalRR:
I found what the gun dealer claims is a Soviet Drag for $600 in VA. I read the other posts about how a true Soviet Drag runs upwards of $2k. What should I look for to determine its authenticity from other models? A $600 Drag is probably a "what?" at that price?



99% chance that he's totally full of s@#$ and has a Romanian PSL. Almost EVERY PSL/Romak III I see at fun shows are labeled as "Soviet SVD Sniper Rifle" by the carnies that sell them I even ask sometimes if it's really a soviet Drag and they say of course it is, they're using them in Chechnya right now, I bet this one came from there!

or there's a slight 1% chance it's a Russian Tiger, or Russian SVD import and he's so stupid that he doesn't know what it's worth, and you should jump on it right away.

I'd go with the first possibility.

The whole PSL/Romak III selling scam is just that, a scam by dealers to convince buyers they're getting an SVD. A local shop here that is really respected (I took my CHL class with them) and even has a spot on a local radio show had a PSL labeled "Dragunov SVD" on the shelf.

I think they know what it's real designation is, just trying to get a sale.

-mark
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:49:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By firedog51d:

FWIW, I know a guy with a legit Soviet SVD, straight up military,has the cuts, an 78 Izhevsk built rifle IIRC and no import marks.



I also know of one with 1986 marks.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:55:10 PM EDT
So how well does the ROMAK/PSL stack up (with regards to accuracy) to a true Dragunov ?

It's role with the Romanian military is the same, correct (designated marksman's rifle) ?
Arrow Left Previous Page
Page / 2
Top Top