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Posted: 8/20/2004 6:48:19 PM EST
Can this be done?

I have a milled chinese SKS with an attached blade bayo that I bought at a gun show in .86ish. I think I paid $60 ish for it. It was really kinda cool, I pulled it right out of the crate. It took me forever to clean all the grease off of it.

It has the standard fixed mag that you use stripper clips in. Can it be converted to use AK mags? If so, how?

Thanks,

Sauramen
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 6:59:12 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/21/2004 3:32:59 PM EST
There are detachable magazines manufactured specifically for use in the SKS. It's usually hit-or-miss. I have a 30-rnd that works flawlessly in my Chinese, but I've heard plenty of people bitch about their worthless jam-o-matic.

But as shotar posted above, the technicalities for staying within the ban guidelines for SKS' are pretty tricky. Don't be a fool like me.
Link Posted: 8/21/2004 5:16:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/21/2004 5:18:00 PM EST by shotar]
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 6:25:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By shotar:
With the sks you can't convert it from a form that was legal to import at the time of importation, to a form that would be illegal to import today. The SKS can have its evil features primarly because it is a fixed magazine gun and therefore does not fall under any bans, except the prohibition of US companies doing business with Norinco. The ATFE in general does not like SKS retrofitted with detachable mags. This is the root of all evil regarding this rifle and at that point you have to start being very very careful and if in doubt consult the ATFE technical branch.



Let me go a little further on this.
1. All SKS's, except for the Chinese SKS's, are C&R weapons. They can be imported into the country with bayonets, granade lunchers, night sights, etc.... because that is the way they were built. Because they have value as a collectors item, the BATF lets them come into the country.
If they weren't C&R they would not be able to be imported, because they have "non-sporting" features, bayonets, granade lunchers, night sights, etc.... , because 922(r) states the no foreign made weapon can be imported into this country, that has these "unsporting" features.

2. Your Chinese SKS is not a C&R weapon. Previous to 1994, yes they were imported with detachable magazines and bayonets, but after the 94 ban, they can no longer be imported and now fall under Title 18 USC § 922(r) prohibits “any person to assemble from imported parts any Semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under Title 18 USC § 925(d)(3)

Well that does it, I guess I can't convert my Chinese SKS to have a detatchable magazine. hineseIf your Chinese SKS had 10 or less foreign made parts, then it qualifies as a U.S.A. made weapon.

Any rifle with ten-or-less imported parts is not considered an imported rifle and is not subject to 922(r). While there may be dozens of parts in any particular rifle, ATF has defined a list of specific parts that are “counted”. Note that the total number of “counted parts” is not important, just the number which are imported. So often swapping just a few imported parts for US-made ones frees a rifle from the provisions of Title 18 USC § 922(r).

What are the parts that “count”?

178.39 defines a list of twenty parts that ATF considerers when deciding if a firearm is imported or not. The total number of listed parts in the rifle is not important, so often swapping just a few imported parts for US-made ones frees a rifle from the provisions of Title 18 USC § 922(r). The listed parts are:

1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings

2) Barrels

3) Barrel extensions

4) Mounting blocks (trunions)

5) Muzzle attachments

6) Bolts

7) Bolt carriers

8) Operating rods

9) Gas pistons

10) Trigger housings

11) Triggers

12) Hammers

13) Sears

14) Disconnectors

15) Buttstocks

16) Pistol grips

17) Forearms, handguards

18) Magazine bodies

19) Followers

20) Floorplates

If more than ten of the listed parts are imported, the entire rifle is considered imported. If ten or less of the listed parts are imported, the entire rifle is considered “US-Made”. Recall that the onerous requirements of Title 18 USC § 922(r) only apply to imported rifles.

Just how many of these parts are in an SKS Carbine?

Here are the relevant parts in an SKS Carbine:

1. Receiver

2. Barrel

3. Bolt

4. Bolt carrier

5. Operating rod [aka: driving rod; aka: gas piston extension]

6. Gas piston

7. Trigger housing

8. Trigger

9. Hammer

10. Sear

11. Disconnector, bolt follower

12. Disconnector, rebound [aka: trigger mount arm]

13. Stock

14. Handguard

15. Magazine body

16. Follower

17. Floorplate

If you beat the 10 or less game, you can have your detachable magazine.

I would like to thank LESchwartz form Survivors SKS board for this information.
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 10:45:55 PM EST
is it easy yes cheap yes can you go to jail and meet bob yes and all you need is a demel tool and one pop ribet and 3 or 4 mins
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 10:47:24 PM EST
is it easy yes cheap yes can you go to jail and meet bob yes and all you need is a demel tool and one pop ribet and 3 or 4 mins that is your factory 10rd mag made in to a removeable
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 5:08:23 AM EST
So if im looking at the list correctly, if i replaced the Magazine, which makes up 3 parts, the handgaurd and gas tube, the stock to a poly stock, and say the operating rod, and gas piston with US made parts for a total of 8 US parts out of the 17 , i would legaly be allowed to have ALL eveil features on my SKS?


If this is true, i gota start buying stuff.....
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 10:51:39 AM EST
That is correct. Tapco does sell a U.S. made gas piston and operating rod. Just make sure that whatever you buy that is supposed to be "made in U.S.A." is marked on the part.
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 1:45:47 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/15/2004 1:49:14 AM EST by Mouseomatic]
I used these made in the USA parts Choate stock, Choate handguard, Tapco gas piston, Tapco operating rod, Flordia precision trigger, Flordia precision hammer, and a USA 20 round and 30 round mag. I also bought an Albanian AK style bolt carrier and had it converted to a model D or M type so you can remove the mag with the bolt closed. And all my receipts and the above information on the parts needed to be changed are in a zip lock bag and travel with the rifle.
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 6:00:51 AM EST

had it converted to a model D or M type so you can remove the mag with the bolt closed


Where did you get that done? Is that something a local gunsmith can do?
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 6:07:29 AM EST
I got 20 rounders fixed from Impact Guns a while back. Great investment.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 1:56:50 AM EST
The barrel and bolt work were done by a local machine shop which any should be able to do and it was a lot cheaper than my gunsmith. The parts I ordered direct from Tapco and Flordia Precision and changed myself.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 8:00:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By cfletcher:

had it converted to a model D or M type so you can remove the mag with the bolt closed


Where did you get that done? Is that something a local gunsmith can do?



I did the same thing to the bolt on my (922(r)-compliant) Chicom SKS on my own. Used a 6" bench grinder, a pot of water to keep things cool, and a lot of patience. Nearly freaked my friend out when I popped out the mag with the bolt closed for the first time! h
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:10:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mouseomatic:
The barrel and bolt work were done by a local machine shop which any should be able to do and it was a lot cheaper than my gunsmith. The parts I ordered direct from Tapco and Flordia Precision and changed myself.



Mouse, do you happen to have any contact information for Florida Precision? I couldn't find them though google.

It would save me a lot of time and effort designing, drawing and having a new hammer and trigger built locally.
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 3:02:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/4/2004 7:08:54 AM EST by BBoyce]
Please disreguard, I found the info I needed.

Thanks
Ben
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