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Posted: 8/11/2004 10:35:02 AM EST
Hi.

Cheaper than dirt has (Hungarian) AMD 65 folder kits for 120$. They say all you need to finish it is a receiver. Has anyone tried this kit before? And if so, what are the legalities of it?

Ben
Link Posted: 8/11/2004 10:45:48 AM EST
About everyone in this forum has built one (so it seems). Search for 922r compliance, that's the major rule concerning this build (10 or less imported parts). Look around, you'll find plenty have built them. I made my first build on one.

Go with a Tapco AMD-65, they're much cheaper at $75. For receivers, OOWs are complete, Ace Blanks and Coldsteel are 80% bent, and the Tapco is 80% flat. Look around for all of these, you'll find plenty on each.
Link Posted: 8/11/2004 11:00:16 AM EST
You also need a minimum of 6 US made countable parts.

Your receiver will count as one, you will need to replace 5 more.

Most commonly used are the FCG (counts as 3) PG, brake or Gas piston (count as 1 each)
Link Posted: 8/11/2004 11:44:15 AM EST
Centerfiresystems sells AMD65 kits. They go for either $75 or $100. I have the $100 execellent kit and it is very very nice. they have both plastic and wood ones.
Link Posted: 8/11/2004 6:02:37 PM EST
I got 2 of the tapco kits. One is like brand new, other one shows some signs of wear, both look better than most of the AK's I've seen so far. No complaints with the tapco stuff.
Link Posted: 8/12/2004 5:19:07 AM EST
Also the AMD65 barrel is less than 16". A completed rifle would have to be papered as a Short Barreled Rifle, or, the barrel lengthened with a permanently attached extension or extended muzzle brake.

Harlan
FAC
Link Posted: 8/12/2004 5:32:48 AM EST
Yeah good catch Harlan, that's a very important requirement.
Link Posted: 8/12/2004 9:17:14 AM EST
Curious, what does "OOW" mean? Sorry, confused! This is probably going to be my first build.

How accurate are these things? And I take it I'd have to pin up the folding stock so it can't fold in order to be AWB compliant? BTW.... the 80% receivers.... by 80% you mean 80% completed and that another 20% work is required to finish it?

Thanks,

Ben



Link Posted: 8/12/2004 9:56:56 AM EST
www.ohioordnanceworks.com/ -- OOW

You mean how accurate are the receivers or the gun itself? You can make any of the receivers work great. My AMD I built is fairly accurate, not too shabby actually. Yeah, just pin the stock an allen bolt the same size as the push plunger and recess it into the trunion (it sounds hard, it's basically just bolting the stock open). Yes, 80% complete, either it will be a flat with all holes and everything drilled that will need to be bent up, or prebent but with no holes drilled (sometimes centerpunched) and the magwell undercut. Both blanks have dimples and magwell dimples pressed in already.
Link Posted: 8/12/2004 10:00:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/12/2004 10:01:36 AM EST by Lightning_P38]
Link Posted: 8/13/2004 11:46:19 AM EST
Well, hell. Certainly doesn't sound too bad. I'm not sure if CTD lets me pick out the kit or not, but paying the extra money would be worth it if I can get a mint kit.

Also, after this monster is built, it's illegal to resell it right?

Ben
Link Posted: 8/14/2004 6:43:49 PM EST
My understanding is that a build it yourself rifle cannot be sold to another person (something to do with a tax stamp or the like, I believe).

Check out the Tapco combos, there are some with all the parts you need to make a legal AMD-65, including the barrel extension. I believe the 100 dollar kit is good to go, all you need is the receiver and the 15 dollar gas piston, which is also on the site.
Link Posted: 8/14/2004 8:35:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By DarkKnight:
My understanding is that a build it yourself rifle cannot be sold to another person (something to do with a tax stamp or the like, I believe).

Check out the Tapco combos, there are some with all the parts you need to make a legal AMD-65, including the barrel extension. I believe the 100 dollar kit is good to go, all you need is the receiver and the 15 dollar gas piston, which is also on the site.



Depends weather built on a 80% receiver or something like the OOW. Since the OOW receiver is considered the firearm and has to be registered it could be sold just like any other firearm. 80% builds can't be sold.
Link Posted: 8/14/2004 8:41:05 PM EST
Whats do they look like when they are done?
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 6:45:57 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/15/2004 6:47:35 AM EST by DarkKnight]
This is a pic of mine, still hasn't been refinished yet, but it is functional.

Note that I replaced the commie grips with SAW grips, I like them much better. YMMV.

(ETA: Rookie error.... fixing pic.)



Link Posted: 8/15/2004 6:57:06 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 3:00:30 PM EST
Do they use AK type mags?
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 3:05:27 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 6:06:50 PM EST
I have the original plastic grips on my build and 30 round mags fit in it ok.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 7:49:53 PM EST
Hey Lightning, if you liked those shots, check out this AMD-65 porn






The 30 rounders fit, but it's close. I haven't decided which way I like it best, with the foregrip, or without. But the way it's set up, I can always remove it. The lower metal handguard needed to have another hole cut in it, I moved the foregrip forward, since I am not angling the foregrip "forward", like on the original '65. I didn't like the feel of it, and it looked stupid (in my eyes). Again, YMMV.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 5:24:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/16/2004 5:25:39 AM EST by Lightning_P38]
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 6:24:13 AM EST
I agree on both points. Using only one grip does look better, and feels "right" to me. But if you started bumpfiring, it would be a problem.

That metal grip does look good. I think I will try to keep it to one grip for now, see how she handles.

That ubersuppressor you are talking about looks kind of over kill to me.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 10:01:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/16/2004 10:05:25 AM EST by AR-15Fan]
Another option that looks good IMO is to stick a Saiga forend on these AMDs, it's length looks great with the shorter AMD barrels IMO. Apparently Krebs sells them for $17ish. I've thought about doing that since seeing one someone on the evil gunsnet forums built. Here's a pic of BlueJack's, don't care for the folder too much though:

Link Posted: 8/16/2004 10:26:32 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 10:32:51 AM EST
That new foregrip DOES look good, I don't see one exactly like that on the Krebs site though. I see a set of a similar foregrip and a hunting-rifle-ish looking rear stock for $35 combined.

I'll keep looking, that forgrip deserves consideration....
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 10:54:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/16/2004 10:55:56 AM EST by AR-15Fan]
It's the standard Saiga handguard that they are selling in the synthetic handguard/buttstock set for $35, BlueJack stated he requested only the forend and they sold it for $17. Here's the original thread which also has some more shots of the setup: www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=194838
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 9:30:52 AM EST
I'm definetly going to get one of the Tapco kits. Only problem is I don't have a credit card and online ordering is a PITA for me. CTD still looks good because I can skip the shipping and pick everything up the same day.

Thanks all. You have helped me make my decision.

Ben
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 4:10:54 AM EST
contact DPHARMS or scottgull..
He has mint kits for $115 delievered and takes money order or paypal.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 9:09:09 AM EST
Check on the Equipment Exchange, I'm selling off my kits because of a financial crunch. I'm selling mine for cheap, one's for $60 the other's for $65. Also have all the compliance parts you need there too, also cheap.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 12:10:32 PM EST
If you still have one when I get back, I'll take one.

Ben
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 12:12:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/30/2004 12:14:56 PM EST by Dave_A]

Originally Posted By HarlanFAC:
Also the AMD65 barrel is less than 16". A completed rifle would have to be papered as a Short Barreled Rifle, or, the barrel lengthened with a permanently attached extension or extended muzzle brake.

Harlan
FAC



Or no stock & no forward grip -> AK 'pistol'...

Never mind the 50oz weight limit, by the time you get a reciever shipped to your FFL and put it together, the AWB will be long gone...
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 2:21:45 PM EST
This thread has cost me $200...kit and receiver on order. It'll be my first AK build so stand by for all the obvious stupid questions.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 3:33:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By HarlanFAC:
Also the AMD65 barrel is less than 16". A completed rifle would have to be papered as a Short Barreled Rifle, or, the barrel lengthened with a permanently attached extension or extended muzzle brake.

Harlan
FAC



Or no stock & no forward grip -> AK 'pistol'...

Never mind the 50oz weight limit, by the time you get a reciever shipped to your FFL and put it together, the AWB will be long gone...



why not just build a krink pistol then? even shorter barrel and better balanced
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 5:02:53 PM EST
A krink is a lot more expensive.
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