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Posted: 9/17/2005 9:57:25 AM EDT
Ran across 1K of 5.45 X 39mm in white boxes. Packaged 25 rd per box. Looks to be fmj, 60gr in lacqured steel cases. Headstamped 97. Made in Russia. Anyone know what brand? Price was $125.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 12:35:15 PM EDT
Sounds like the TCW brand. TCW meaning Tula Cartridge Works. Which is now the WOLF brand.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 1:12:46 PM EDT
Wished I had my digital cammy....
White box, centerfire ammo, non-corrosive,
cal 5,45X39 - 4,5
Made to hunting specs.

On side....
made in russia
25 rds

On opposite side....
has a big "C", there is a "P" at the crescent and a "T" at the open ends.
A bullet shape w/ KNC inside the outline.

Headstamp has "3" on top, and "97" on the bottom.
Bullet fmj w/ crimp, steel lacquered case.

Sound like TCW? Is that good?
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 2:11:10 PM EDT
Thanks for the extra info. With that info, it sounds more like the Ulyanovsk brand.
They imported 5.45mm ammo before. It was 70 grains and doesn't got the airspace.
The velocity of it was 2,528 fps and averaged 2.5 inch groups at 100 yds.
These specs are from a magazine article. 60 grain 5.45mm averages near 2900 fps.

Link Posted: 9/17/2005 4:11:26 PM EDT
Thanks for the info!

What brand does have the gap in the bullet for real tumbling?
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 6:08:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 6:09:41 PM EDT by No1Here]
Here's a link to Silver Bear 5.45mm, it's made by Barnaul.
It's 60 grain FMJ with the airspace and is the same as lacquer coated Barnual.
Just has the zinc plated cases.

Wolf 5.45mm also has the airspace but I don't know who has it in stock.

Accuracy is better with Barnaul 5.45mm when compared with Wolf 5.45mm.

Here's a link to a pic of Barnaul 5.45mm showing the airspace.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 6:38:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 6:39:26 PM EDT by DOE]
Again thanks!

Still waiting for my Arsenal SLR 105 A1 R . Arsenal said they will ship out last Friday, so I will get it later this week......hopefully.

I've never fired a 5.45, but is the recoil less than 5.56? My M4 weighs in at 10+ lbs w/ all the SHTF goodies, so recoil is nil.

Damn, first BRD and now this Dark side disease.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 7:19:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 7:20:50 PM EDT by No1Here]
5.45mm is 2/3's the recoil of 5.56mm. With the brake, follow up shots will be very easy.
It's an interesting caliber. Everyone who has fired the 5.45mm loves it.

lol, AK's are disverse with all the different countries and all. It can be really expensive.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 12:11:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/19/2005 12:17:16 PM EDT by JA545]
3 is the factory code for Ulyanovsk Machinery Plant and the 97 indicates year of mfg. 1997.
It is loaded with a 70 grain lead core fmj bullet and was the first 5.45 ammo imported that had non corrosive primers. Ulyanovsk made the first commerical packed(25rd boxes) 5.45x39mm ammo in 1997. Barnaul 5.45x39mm ammo was imported in 1998 with a 59 grain lead core bullet. Ulyanovsk kept loading the 70 grain bullet till late in 1999 when Wolf announced the import of 5.45x39mm ammo with a 60 grain bullet with a air space in the tip like Russian military ammo. This really caused a stir in the internet shooting community and sales of the Wolf ammo was really good when it finally arrived. Sales of the Ulyanovsk ammo with the 70 grain bullet went downhill really fast so they switched to loading the same 60 grain bullet with the air space in the nose.

For more info and pics check the ammo id page of my web pages at

Link Posted: 9/20/2005 1:48:37 AM EDT
Thanks for the great ammo info! Now if my freakin slr will get here.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 12:08:23 PM EDT
I thought Uly and barnaul only packaged 30 round boxes ??????
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