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Posted: 2/6/2015 11:35:13 AM EDT
I am looking for a replacement  (complete) bolt head assy for my Saiga 7.62x39.

Without it, it's worth as much as a paper weight.
I have been extremely unsuccessful in locating one that will fit this application.  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 12:23:51 PM EDT

Kvar says out of stock. Have you tried calling them and asking when they will be getting more? I have done tis in the past and they have had several sitting on their desk for other people. I was able to buy what I needed.





Also, welcome to the site!


Link Posted: 2/6/2015 1:24:48 PM EDT
Thank you for the quick reply.
I did contact them, and they mentioned that there are no immediate plans to replenishing stock.

I've called other places,  and the response I've gotten is the same.
The real travesty is that a friend of mine "misplaced it " when he was going to run it on a REM machine.

I converted the rifle back 6 yrs ago,  and it has everything I could ever hope for,  ranging from Romanian 75rd drum,  optics,  Magpul angled grip,  quad rail,  etc. It's worth a min. of $1200 with all the labor and extra parts,  but now it might as well be worth  $0.

Thanks  again.
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 2:06:28 PM EDT
AK "noob" here but IIRC, it is the tail of the saiga bolt that is a little thinner than the standard AKM but if just threw and entire Bugly BCG in there would it work?  Maybe not?  IDK
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 3:29:52 PM EDT
Don't forget any time a bolt is replaced, it must be headspaced to the gun. Sadly, Saiga spare parts are unobtainium.  GARY
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 3:33:59 PM EDT

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this is the most important. If it were my rifle, I'd buy any 7.62x39 bolt I could fins along with the proper bolt carrier for it. Have the headspace checked, and then go from there.





You could use a standard Bulgarian bolt and carrier, Romanian, Egyptian, yugo.....etc. No reason to have a paper weight IMO. Just make sure that headspace is checked!





 
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 3:37:36 PM EDT
Apex Gun Works should have some bolts in stock.

I've bought replacement bolts from them in the past for my Saiga/SGL-21s and  WASRs to have on hand as spares.
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 4:49:58 PM EDT
https://apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/products_id/1939

Do you guys think this would work?

Thank you.
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 5:16:33 PM EDT
That bolt will work, but you will need a different bolt carrier. Then check headspace.
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 6:55:08 PM EDT
I don't think that swapping the bolt and bolt carrier will work either. The length of the right lug, looking at the bolt face, is longer on the Saiga rifles than the it is on an AKM rifle. Sorry they are not the best pics.

Right SGL-21/Saiga bolt, middle WASR bolt




WASR bolt




Saiga Bolt




Looking a bit closer the whole bolt head of the Saiga is longer than the AKM bolt
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 7:35:43 PM EDT
Ak74 bolt carrier would fit, but not akm.
Wonder if the 74 bolt would work? I know the extractor is slightly different.
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 8:16:42 PM EDT
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He wants a 7.62 bolt. A 5.45 bolt isn't going to work without opening up the bolt face. Maybe you're thinking of 5.56.
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 11:29:59 PM EDT

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I don't think that swapping the bolt and bolt carrier will work either. The length of the right lug, looking at the bolt face, is longer on the Saiga rifles than the it is on an AKM rifle. Sorry they are not the best pics.



Right SGL-21/Saiga bolt, middle WASR bolt

http://<a href=http://i1364.photobucket.com/albums/r738/AKMer/AK/20150206_154619_zpsmsfgt6xn.jpg
WASR bolt

http://<a href=http://i1364.photobucket.com/albums/r738/AKMer/AK/20150206_154543_zps1xhc8xfe.jpg
Saiga Bolt

http://<a href=http://i1364.photobucket.com/albums/r738/AKMer/AK/20150206_154435_zps6dq0f31f.jpg
Looking a bit closer the whole bolt head of the Saiga is longer than the AKM bolt

http://<a href=http://i1364.photobucket.com/albums/r738/AKMer/AK/20150206_155854-1_zpsehmvyxrm.jpg
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did not know this. Learn something new everyday.....



 
Link Posted: 2/7/2015 3:45:49 AM EDT
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He wants a 7.62 bolt. A 5.45 bolt isn't going to work without opening up the bolt face. Maybe you're thinking of 5.56.
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Ak74 bolt carrier would fit, but not akm.
Wonder if the 74 bolt would work? I know the extractor is slightly different.


He wants a 7.62 bolt. A 5.45 bolt isn't going to work without opening up the bolt face. Maybe you're thinking of 5.56.


No just spit balling.
My SGL 20 and Saiga 5.45 can interchange carriers but I never tried bolts,  obviously.  Too bad as I would love to have spares for the Arsenal.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 11:33:02 PM EDT
thank you for all of the replies.



<snip> I will post pictures of everything I own for it,  and hopefully someone that has a bolt head will take interest.




 










Remember no sales or want to buys in threads.







That has to take place in the EE. dryflash3


 



Link Posted: 3/6/2015 9:55:23 PM EDT
Opening up the bolt face on a 74/100 series bolt is an option.

Link Posted: 3/7/2015 1:16:00 AM EDT
There is a guy on AKfiles making 5.56 for saigas and could make 7.62 units as 100 series units all use the same base forging before machining.
Link Posted: 3/7/2015 1:16:35 AM EDT
Not with out reheat treating...

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Link Posted: 3/7/2015 1:19:41 AM EDT
+1 swapping the bolt and carrier will not work . 100 series guns use the same carrier no matter the caliber and interchange with AK74 units.  The bolts are thin stem, long lug. You can't mix and match AKM parts in there with out destroying the gun .

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I don't think that swapping the bolt and bolt carrier will work either. The length of the right lug, looking at the bolt face, is longer on the Saiga rifles than the it is on an AKM rifle. Sorry they are not the best pics.

Right SGL-21/Saiga bolt, middle WASR bolt
http://<a href=http://i1364.photobucket.com/albums/r738/AKMer/AK/20150206_154619_zpsmsfgt6xn.jpg



WASR bolt
http://<a href=http://i1364.photobucket.com/albums/r738/AKMer/AK/20150206_154543_zps1xhc8xfe.jpg



Saiga Bolt
http://<a href=http://i1364.photobucket.com/albums/r738/AKMer/AK/20150206_154435_zps6dq0f31f.jpg



Looking a bit closer the whole bolt head of the Saiga is longer than the AKM bolt
http://<a href=http://i1364.photobucket.com/albums/r738/AKMer/AK/20150206_155854-1_zpsehmvyxrm.jpg
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Link Posted: 3/7/2015 1:20:08 AM EDT
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Not with out reheat treating...


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Not with out reheat treating...

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Opening up the bolt face on a 74/100 series bolt is an option.




Why would you need to re heat treat?  are they only surface hardened?  If they're through hardened then you're not going to ruin the heat treat by tossing it in a lathe or mill for a few seconds.
Link Posted: 3/7/2015 10:04:49 PM EDT
If it were me, I would post a "want to buy" ad on the AK and Saiga forums and see if I get a response.  Before KVAR sold out of the Saiga 7.62x39 bolts, they were $125, so if someone responds to your ad and they know the market, I would expect a price of $150 or more, especially now that Saigas are banned from importation.  A related option would be contact builders that convert saigas (Arsenal, Krebs, Rifle Dynamics, etc.) and ask them if they have a Saiga bolt that they're willing to sell you.

Opening the bolt face on a 5.45x39 bolt might make sense, assuming that they have the same lug dimensions, especially if you have a suitable 5.45x39 bolt.  If you go this route, the extractor in the 5.45x39 bolt will have a different radius than a 7.62x39 cartridge.  However, I have fired a couple of primed 7.62x39 cases with a 5.45x39 extractor in a Saiga 7.62x39 bolt and the extractor worked.  Don't know what would happen after lots of rounds.  As of a half hour ago, KVAR still had Saiga 7.62x39 extractors in stock for $25.

Another option would be to buy an unconverted 7.62x39 Saiga.  Current market price seems to be about $600, but since you're getting the $150 bolt that you need, you're essentially paying $450 for some spare parts which is better than having your $1200 investment sitting in the corner.

Good luck,
Link Posted: 3/8/2015 12:07:24 AM EDT
You could sell the receiver for 100-150. Carrier for 35-50 . You are left with Bolt Barrel and rsb for 400 or so. That is a half way decent deal.  Bolts do come up from time to time as do SGL / AK103 barrel assemblies, mostly by people who thought they would fit AKM pattern rifles.  I would really worry about getting a firing pin and extractor set before the bolt.

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If it were me, I would post a "want to buy" ad on the AK and Saiga forums and see if I get a response.  Before KVAR sold out of the Saiga 7.62x39 bolts, they were $125, so if someone responds to your ad and they know the market, I would expect a price of $150 or more, especially now that Saigas are banned from importation.  A related option would be contact builders that convert saigas (Arsenal, Krebs, Rifle Dynamics, etc.) and ask them if they have a Saiga bolt that they're willing to sell you.

Opening the bolt face on a 5.45x39 bolt might make sense, assuming that they have the same lug dimensions, especially if you have a suitable 5.45x39 bolt.  If you go this route, the extractor in the 5.45x39 bolt will have a different radius than a 7.62x39 cartridge.  However, I have fired a couple of primed 7.62x39 cases with a 5.45x39 extractor in a Saiga 7.62x39 bolt and the extractor worked.  Don't know what would happen after lots of rounds.  As of a half hour ago, KVAR still had Saiga 7.62x39 extractors in stock for $25.

Another option would be to buy an unconverted 7.62x39 Saiga.  Current market price seems to be about $600, but since you're getting the $150 bolt that you need, you're essentially paying $450 for some spare parts which is better than having your $1200 investment sitting in the corner.

Good luck,
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