Even though I am new here I thought I needed to warn everybody about joeken firearms on their page the have a video and rivet tool set advertised when you click on the link your are taken to a different site called gungadeals.com where you pay for it.  After a month I wanted to know where my stuff was the only info was a e-mail for gungadeals nothing else.  After e-mailing them 4 times I tried to contact Joeken the were closed for a week.  I finally reached them and was told that even though the video and tools was one of their products they let this distributer sell it?????
I asked how to get in touch with them, they said the only way was by e-mail hmmmm.  I then did some searching all orders that are placed by mail go to multiple PO box's in AZ, the same as Joken.  I then found a reference on the web that said gungadeals.com.da.ru, very interesting.
Needless to say I got nowhere with either company and I wouldn't trust either.

It is well known the good folks at Joeken are a bunch of crooks...

Unfortunately I am new to the "building" scene and got burnt.  Live and learn I guess.By the way is there any way to bend a flat correctly without spending my paycheck?

That sucks I hate to here about the joekin burn...They'll get whats coming to em.
The flat.....I'd say save up a little and do er right...Its that live and learn thing.Good luck and welcome to the board.

I'm glad you posted this.  I was looking at the same kit. I would call your credit card company and complain.  That's if you paid it that with a credit card.

Quoted: Unfortunately I am new to the "building" scene and got burnt.  Live and learn I guess. By the way is there any way to bend a flat correctly without spending my paycheck?

Nope, your best bet is to just buy a oow receiver already to go.

Thanks for the welcome.  Can anyone tell me how to get in touch with oow?  I haven't heard of them before.   Thanks.

kc2cfh,

Sent you an email with some info on these joeken firearms guys.

Mic

Quoted: Thanks for the welcome.  Can anyone tell me how to get in touch with oow?  I haven't heard of them before.   Thanks.

www.ohioordnanceworks.com/

Thanks for the info MIC214, I have reported them to several agencies hopefully this will shut them down.

Thanks for the web address MINDTRIX.

kc2cfh,

I hope things work out for you. I have read a bunch of posts (none good) here on these guys.
I have had good experience with the IFCC. Keep us posted on how things work out.

Mic

According to NSI domain registrations both domains are owned by the same people

NSI Link for GungaDeals.com
Domain Name: GUNGADEALS.COM

  Administrative Contact::
        joseph cox: [email protected]
       na
       703 airport road
       winslow, Arizona 86047
       US
       Phone:: 5202890850
       Fax:: -
  Technical Contact::
       Tech Support: [email protected]
       Linuxwebhost.com
       10 E. Baltimore St.
       Baltimore, Md 21202
       US
       Phone:: 410.234.3300
       Fax::

  Record updated date on: 2003-12-22 05:38:49
  Record created date on: 2002-12-26
  Record will be expiring on date: 2004-12-26
  Database last updated on: 2004-09-03 03:12:11 EST


NSI link for JoeKen.com
Domain Name: JOEKEN.COM

  Administrative Contact:
        joseph cox [email protected]
       na
       703 airport road
       winslow, Arizona 86047
       US
       Phone: 5202890850
       Fax: -
  Technical Contact:
       Tech Support [email protected]
       Linuxwebhost.com
       10 E. Baltimore St.
       Baltimore, Md 21202
       US
       Phone: 410.234.3300
       Fax:

  Record updated on 2003-12-11 06:20:42
  Record created on 2001-12-18
  Record expires on 2004-12-18
  Database last updated on 2004-09-03 03:14:18 EST

Add http://www.kyimports.com/ to the list.  

i stay away from them also