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I have the opportunity to buy a nice looking b-west AK.
It looks as nice as the Norinco mak-90 I have. Both have nice bluing, wood, etc.......... The b-west has an under folding SKS type spike bayo. I did some searching and found they can be questionable. I need to know how questionable. What could happen and what are the chances? He wanted quiet a bit for it 'till I showed him what I found. Now he is willing to take $300 to get rid of it. It comes with "several" mags. Yea or nae. If the b-west receiver is really crap, could I take the rifle apart and do a build on a new receiver? Any legal issues? |
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If it's made in China and imported by B-West (and so marked), it's ok.
If it's made by B West ... Run Forrest, Run. |
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www.ak-47.us/Bwest.php
The reciever is marked like the ones in this site. I haven't given the barrell the once over for a import mark yet. But as it says "made in usa"............ |
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US made B-West receivers are soft.
Check the axis pin holes to see if they have ovaled or egged out. If they haven't and there are no other issues then it is probably worth the $300.00 if just for the parts minus the receiver. Then you will need to heat treat the axis pin holes with a mapp gas torch. I've posted the instructions a number of times and you can do it yourself. Then shoot the rifle until it begins having issues (which could be never) demill and sell the parts. Usually these are sold as preban for $600.00+ and I wouldn't buy one. But if you inspect it and the trigger and hammer axis pin holes have no ovaling it would be OK at that price, $300.00. If ovaled at all, pass. |
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They are not heat treated, the made in the US receivers. You must heat treat them unless you want them falling apart. Since heat treating will ruin the finish, they will then have to be refinished.
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Thanks guys.
The gun is basically unfired. The guy who owns it is a Viet-Nam vet (yes a real one). This is one of the guns he got a long time ago for a wall hanger. I want to buy it to help him out. But I do not want to get stuck too bad either. Mak could you send me the link to the heat treat method you mentioned. The search function does not seem to work for me. (is that a member issue?) Aaron |
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I'm getting ready to go to work but here is some info:
gunsgutsandgod.com/section%20three.htm www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/souptonuts2/index.asp www.akparts.com/akinfo10.html You only have to do the axis pin points. Take the fire control group and all out of the receiver. On the second heating you should place the receiver in a bed of sand to allow it to cool slowly. Plug the chamber with a wooden dowell so it doesn't fill with sand. |
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So, this is all you have to do to make a B-West receiver reliable? Hopefully this will be answered with a "yes", bc other than the receiver, B-west ak's are beautiful.
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Thanks for the info.
Would I need to do the top of the receiver bend as mentioned in one article? Would I also need to do the ejector? There is also a discrepancy in the articles as to single or double heat treat? Also different temps are use for the Annealing step. What is really needed? Aaron |
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I wouldn't do the top rail. I am only recommending this for the axis points as that is where ovaling happens. It is a $300.00 AK with an underfolder bayonet that if the receiver becomes trashed you can do as I said previously and demill it to sell for parts or have it rebuilt on a virgin 1.6mm receiver. With the cost of parts kits now you aren't going to lose if it is basically an unfired rifle as you stated.
You haven't posted pictures so I am just going on your description. If you attempt to heat treat more than the axis pin holes you may end up warping the entire receiver. I mentioned when I posted the links above I was on my way to work. I am not at home and don't have the ability to do all the research for you. Different metal types with different carbon content % take different heating amounts to heat treat. Not knowing the exact makeup of the receiver, I would just heat to a cherry red for the initial heating and then quench in oil. Then heat to the correct temp. for the annealing. There are ways to determine the correct temp with TEMPILAQ For the ejector you can heat the tip and use a powder to heat treat the tip. I can't remember the correct name of the product but it is essentially this.. Others have welded the tip also to harden and build up the ejector but then reshaping likely would need to be done. |
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No, but if they cost only $300.00 it can be done at little cost to make the rifle usuable until the receiver may fail and then you can get it rebuilt on another receiver. |
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http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn179/423aaron/DCAM0055.jpg
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn179/423aaron/DCAM0057-1.jpg http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn179/423aaron/DCAM0057.jpg http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn179/423aaron/DCAM0049.jpg http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn179/423aaron/DCAM0062.jpg http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn179/423aaron/DCAM0059.jpg This compared the b-west to a mak-90. Note the screws that go into the left rail /ejector on the b-west. Also note the wear on the ejector after obviously few rounds. Thanks again Mak. Aaron |
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It's a "softie". |
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You might want to pick up a 1.6mm receiver to have it rebuilt on if you have problems. I'd get a receiver now as waiting may end up with never getting one. Ejector tip needs work. Post a how to question in the Build it yourself forum and they can help you.
I remember seeing replacement hardened ejector rails available somewhere but don't remember where. I would just go with the fixes I mentioned before and have a properly heat treated receiver ready if you need it. I would take the FCG out though and check for any deformity with the pins out. Supposedly they will start to deform in less than 1,000 rounds. Looks like the MAK-90 could use some compliance parts. I think you could always recover the $300.00 by selling off the demilled parts minus the receiver. People with MAK-90s would always make a market for the front end. Bolt carriers and bolt etc will always sell. Stockset alone probably worth around $85.00+ |
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Regardless of what some think, Chinese rifles that are postban are required to have US compliance parts added when the thumbhole stock is replaced.
Your replacing the thumbhole stock with a regular stock has violated the law which requires that no rifle be assembled that accepts hi-cap mags and has other features such as a separate pistol grip. You have manufactured an illegal assault weapon that would not be allowed to be imported. The 1994 assault weapon law sunsetting has nothing to do with assembling a prohibited assault weapon from imported parts. The 1994 ban prohibited assembling rifles with threaded barrels, flash hiders etc. Rifles were still imported with thumbhole stocks during this ban and converted to pistol grip configuration with the addition of the required US compliance parts. This is covered under a 1989 ban on importation of firearms containing more than 10 imported parts and having certain prohibited features. Did the ending of the assault weapon ban mean that builders of current AKs no longer needed to put US parts in the rifles they build? No. They still must comply with the law. Was your rifle imported with a thumbhole stock to meet the requirements of the law? Yes. Would the same rifle be allowed to be imported without the addition of US parts? No. The ending of the ban only allowed the evil features back on imported and US made rifles that were banned for ten years. There was no change to the requirements that imported rifles needed US parts added in order to lower the number of foreign parts to essentially make the rifles US built if they accepted hi-cap mags, had a protruding pistol grip and contained other evil features. If the rifle built on a US manufactured receiver would have the receiver replaced with a currently made US receiver then it would probably need US compliance parts installed as B-West no longer is in business and could not replace the preban receiver with a like one newly manufactured as a replacement. It would become a rifle which would require US compliance parts when reassembled on a newly manufactured receiver from a different company. |
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Because it is a preban weapon but built on a US receiver, could it be rebuilt on a new receiver without using new us compliant parts?
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No, I already answered that. Just as an Colt SP1 upper on a postban receiver doesn't become preban in states that require preban rifles for evil features. The receiver is the firearm, if the receiver is postban the firearm is postban. I think the only way you can get around that is to send a receiver to the original manufacturer to have the receiver replaced with a new one due to damage, then they have to destroy the old receiver. B-West no longer exists so they couldn't replace it. |
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Think of it this way: According to the BATFE the receiver IS the firearm, so if you replace the receiver in 2008 the rifle was made in 2008. You must comply with the law as it exists when the rifle is built. |
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