Confirm Action

Are you sure you wish to do this?

Confirm Cancel
Member Login

Site Notices
Posted: 10/23/2006 7:25:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/23/2006 7:34:45 AM EST by sigandglocks]
I couldnt pass this book up, it just came out, its not about the varients of the Ak, or its mechanism, but its ussage, how its an icon, a really great overall history book of the AK...

i couldnt pass it up after i saw the 8 or so 5 STAR reviews of it on amazon.com

this book is the compliment to the other books about how the AK47 works, its varients, its bayos, tons of pictures etc etc.......this is certainly the best book about the AK47 yet..

this book covers everything ELSE about the AK the other book doesnt cover...

It has chapters on the AK VS the AR15.......chapter on ANTI-GUN POLITICS about the scummy liberals who shake their fist at the AK47 in the USA....

really, this is a well researched piece of work!! Awesome...

i got it, its better than i thought..............not really any purty pictures though ...

....for those folks that like purty pictures, this book aint it.....however its a great book.


Link Posted: 10/23/2006 11:44:44 AM EST
Sounds good, I'll have to pick one up. Thanks.
Link Posted: 10/23/2006 12:56:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/23/2006 12:57:46 PM EST by sigandglocks]

Originally Posted By LUGERMAN:
Sounds good, I'll have to pick one up. Thanks.

ive already read 2 chapters, my copy came in 2 days ago...

the funny part is reading about the liberal scum historical mentions in recent US history bitching about the "evil demonic AK47"....

one chapter is about Kalashnikov pouting for decades about not getting one damn CENT for his invention.......

apparently Kalasnikov M. is mad as hell stoner got a $1 for every M16 made, and he got the shaft, bupkis-nothing.

later on pimping out his name for $$$ , such as "KALASHNIKOV VODKA"....and other junk..

theres one mention where M. Kalashnikov is walking down the street in some place and he slips on a bunch of Ak47 empty cases and he had an epiphany about how much his AK47 design has changed the world...

Link Posted: 10/30/2006 8:16:56 AM EST
I bought this book yesterday and I am about 3/4 of the way thru it already. I find it is a good read with lots of info to digest. I do have a question that I hope someone can answer for me, or at least clear up a little bit.

There is a section of the book where the author is describing the AK47 and it use by different forces in South American, be it FARC or whoever. Then comes the point in the story that really threw me for a loop. The author states that 7.62 x 39mm ammo is very hard to get and that 7.62 x 51mm ammo is realatively easy to get.

Here is a related story from http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?content=letters/200504180516 about the same situation I mention above.

Chavez will control Colombia's FARC from Venezuela...
By Javier Cáceres | Notiven
18.04.05 | Let's review the following four scenarios: on December, El Nuevo Herald reports that on the occasion of a big group of rebels that came down from the mountains "In the Colombian's war black market there is an acute need for ammunitions 7.62 x 39 mm, appropriate for AK-47 rifles; In a Florida court there is a file from August 2004 related to 204.000 rounds of 7.62 x 39 mm ammunition that were seized before being illegally exported; and the press mentioned that these difficult to get ammo were going to be negotiated on western Venezuela, near the Colombian border". In El País - ( Colombia Jan 27 2004 ) "Intelligence sources reveal that the FARC are running out of ammunition for their AK-47. Lastly, when the Heritage Foundation invited an ex Guerilla, Carlos Ploter, for a conference in Washington, he mentioned "FARC bought great quantities of AK-47 for which there is no ammunitions ( El Tiempo Colombia June 16th 2004 )

The lack of 7,62 x .39 ammunition characterizes the above scenarios to which another important one needs to be added. One of the trials against Vladimiro Montesinos in Peru is for having been in the middle of a deal between Russian mafia and the FARC, where 10,000 Russian AK-47 7.62 x .39 rifles were sold, but the caliber of the bullets shipped were incompatible with the rifles.

In the mean time, what happens in Venezuela? The Government, after establishing the need to renew their rifles, with lighter and more conventional ammunition, instead of buying the 7.62 x .51mm caliber rifle line, which studies revealed as the most convenient, there was a 'sovereign' decision and they were changed to a 7,62 x .39 mm size bullet; the one that is very hard to get. Since this last minute change has been unexplained, we can only speculate and ask in order to get some answers and draw some conclusions.

Is there such a thing like a master plan conceived in Montesino's times when he sold the .39 rifles but with .51 ammunition? But, how is that the FARC has not spared his life after this slip? Who was this error negotiated with? The FARC itself? Chavez? The Colombian Government? The CIA? Other guerrilla groups to weaken the FARC? This error, as mentioned, has provoked a weakening of Colombia's guerillas, and if Chavez knows this, why didn't he stick with the original decision, since guerillas decline also benefits Venezuela? Was Montesinos in tandem with Chavez? Could it be the reason of why after leaving Peru he went to Venezuela, where high ranking officials said he was not in the country? But why did Venezuela turn him in? Presumably, Montesinos was a contact between the FARC and the Russian mafia in their drug for arms exchanges -it has been documented the close relations between Russian government and mafia (1). Did Chavez betray Montesinos to become the new middleman before Russian eyes? Who knows if the escalating relations between Hugo Chavez and the Russian government have anything to do with all the above. But all this for what reason?

My questions really come down to this.

1. Is 7.62 x 39mm ammo really harder to get than 7.62 x 51mm ammo on the world stage?

2. When did the Russians/East Germans start exporting AK47's chambered in 308 Win(7.62 x 51mm)? This is where the book infers the rifles were made that were chambered in 7.62 x 51mm.

3. When did 7.62 x 51mm rifles and ammo start to be used by non government groups? I thought the majority of AKs, like 98%+, in the world were in 3 calibers only, 7.62 x 39mm, 5.45 x 39mm and 5.56 x 45mm or am I mistaken on that?

I know there are other calibers that you can use, but I thought these were as rare as a gun loving liberal.

Just trying to make sense of what I am reading in the book.

Thanks for any help.
Top Top