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Posted: 10/10/2010 6:23:57 AM EDT
Traded a mac11 for a MAK-90.

Got a Tapco tan furniture set. Galil forearm, STD. Pistol grip, and fixed butt stock. I also purchased matching 30 round clips. All USA parts. The trade came with only one 10 round steel mag. If I toss or sell the stock mag and ONLY have USA mags....then by my count that's 6 922r parts?
Furniture is three and the mag, floor plate, and follower count as three more?

I have another stock MAK that has nothing done to it...do I need to store it and it's evil mags separate? I do have a safe at work I can use...or should I just store the non 922r magazines  offsite? This whole 922r is confusing vis-a-vis if you purchased it from a private seller and he modded it...it is or is not cool? I have heard both but most LGS Rambos act confused and ask why I am worried about it. After reading the posts on here I got a touch of paranoia. At the range I see every kind of hybrid setup you can imagine.

If I have own no other mags...am I cool with this setup? This is a standard MAK, no bayonet tit, no cleaning rod slot, and pinned recoil suppressor.

I'll post pics when I get it done.

OBTW, cheaper than dirt has 500 rounds for $96 or so. (steel milsurp)

Cheers!

Jay
Link Posted: 10/10/2010 7:01:08 AM EDT
[#1]
If you bought a MAK 90 that was not assembled 922r compliant, You the new owner don't have to change anything.  922r only applies to those who assemble guns.
Link Posted: 10/10/2010 10:11:37 AM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
If you bought a MAK 90 that was not assembled 922r compliant, You the new owner don't have to change anything.  922r only applies to those who assemble guns.


There's a lot of different interpretations lately on this law.  The main thrust is, the weapon must be 922r compliant.  It takes little to get the weapon into compliance and to meet the requirements of the law.  With the different interpretations out there, at the very least the BATFE could seize the weapon because of its illegality due to the noncompliance.  

Again, it's better to just bring the weapon into compliance and avoid arguing a costly, losing battle with the BATFE based on perceptions of the principal of the thing.
Link Posted: 10/10/2010 11:27:21 AM EDT
[#3]
Both guns are fine. The first gun has 6 US parts including the mags, so it's good to go. The 2nd gun which is bone stock can use any mag you want, since it's exactly as imported & has no pistol grip, threaded bbl, etc. You can use a hi cap mag in a butthole stock MAK, since the gun is still in the original form as when it was legally imported.  No 922 nothing needed on that 2nd gun.  GARY  N4KVE
Link Posted: 10/11/2010 11:40:16 AM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
I have another stock MAK that has nothing done to it...do I need to store it and it's evil mags separate?



No. There's no "constructive intent" for compliance. If you don't insert imported magazines in the modified rifle you won't exceed the limit of 10 foreign made parts.
Link Posted: 10/11/2010 3:40:46 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I have another stock MAK that has nothing done to it...do I need to store it and it's evil mags separate?



No. There's no "constructive intent" for compliance. If you don't insert imported magazines in the modified rifle you won't exceed the limit of 10 foreign made parts.


Thanks guys...that was exactly what I needed to know.

Cheers

Jay
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 2:10:17 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Quoted:
If you bought a MAK 90 that was not assembled 922r compliant, You the new owner don't have to change anything.  922r only applies to those who assemble guns.


There's a lot of different interpretations lately on this law.  The main thrust is, the weapon must be 922r compliant.  It takes little to get the weapon into compliance and to meet the requirements of the law.  With the different interpretations out there, at the very least the BATFE could seize the weapon because of its illegality due to the noncompliance.  

Again, it's better to just bring the weapon into compliance and avoid arguing a costly, losing battle with the BATFE based on perceptions of the principal of the thing.


And those interpretations are largely by people who are pulling those interpretations out of their asses.  They are the "922 Ninnies."  The ATF is on record as saying that mere possession of a rifle that is not in compliance with 922r, is not a crime.  Which stands to reason, since 922(r) expressly addresses "assembling" firearms.  

922(r) is actually not confusing at all.  For some reason, some gun owners want to make it confusing.  If you did not "assemble" the gun, you have no 922(r) worries.  It really is that simple.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 3:10:34 PM EDT
[#7]
Sec. 178.39 Assembly of semiautomatic rifles or shotguns.

(a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun
using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this
section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under
section 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily
adaptable to sporting purposes.


It is only an assembly issue, not a possession issue.

It's an unconstitutional law. Nothing in the second amendment says anything about sporting purposes.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 4:20:07 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Sec. 178.39 Assembly of semiautomatic rifles or shotguns.

(a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun
using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this
section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under
section 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily
adaptable to sporting purposes.


It is only an assembly issue, not a possession issue.

It's an unconstitutional law. Nothing in the second amendment says anything about sporting purposes.


Except the Supreme Court has already stated that the Second Amendment is not absolute, and does not preclude any and all restrictions on guns.

I have a feeling the SC would not conclude that this is unconstitutional.  Stupid?  Yes.  Unconstitutional?  No.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 7:00:59 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Sec. 178.39 Assembly of semiautomatic rifles or shotguns.

(a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun
using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this
section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under
section 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily
adaptable to sporting purposes.


It is only an assembly issue, not a possession issue.

It's an unconstitutional law. Nothing in the second amendment says anything about sporting purposes.


Except the Supreme Court has already stated that the Second Amendment is not absolute, and does not preclude any and all restrictions on guns.

I have a feeling the SC would not conclude that this is unconstitutional.  Stupid?  Yes.  Unconstitutional?  No.


Just because the SC says it's constitutional doesn't mean it is.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:03:19 AM EDT
[#10]
IMHO just because 922 only applies to the "construction" of a firearm and the ATF has ruled that it's not a crime to POSSESS one, it would still be a non compliant firearm and would open up a can of worms if somebody decided to take it because it's non compliant. You may not be arrested but you may be out of a firearm. It's very easy to make sure a rifle has all of it's parts to meet 922 so why not and eliminate any chance of the issue becoming a problem?

Also I wouldn't rely on US made mags to meet the parts count. There is nothing better than original military issue surplus mags.

Again this is all just my opinion, YMMV
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 7:44:55 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
IMHO just because 922 only applies to the "construction" of a firearm and the ATF has ruled that it's not a crime to POSSESS one, it would still be a non compliant firearm and would open up a can of worms if somebody decided to take it because it's non compliant. You may not be arrested but you may be out of a firearm. It's very easy to make sure a rifle has all of it's parts to meet 922 so why not and eliminate any chance of the issue becoming a problem?
Simple. Many of the US parts are substandard when compared to the original imported parts. EG. The G2 FCG is cast, while the imported FCG's are milled. Ever notice the casting line down the center of the cast FCG's? The sleeve on the G2 FCG means the hole in the disconnector & trigger is bigger than stock, & doesn't leave much meat for strength. Arsenal used to make nice milled FCG's, but now they make cheap mim'd FCG parts. I guess it's alot cheaper, but judging by what they charge for their guns, they should all have the milled parts.  Wood is wood, & there are some excellent woodworkers here who can match a finish perfectly so I don't mind exchaging US wood for imported, but when I hear that people pull out the excellent Chinese FCG out of a MAK 90 & put in a G2 FCG, I want to dig my fingernails into a blackboard.  GARY  N4KVE

Link Posted: 10/27/2010 11:57:56 AM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
IMHO just because 922 only applies to the "construction" of a firearm and the ATF has ruled that it's not a crime to POSSESS one, it would still be a non compliant firearm and would open up a can of worms if somebody decided to take it because it's non compliant. You may not be arrested but you may be out of a firearm. It's very easy to make sure a rifle has all of it's parts to meet 922 so why not and eliminate any chance of the issue becoming a problem?



In life, in general, you asses the risk of any particular "problem" occuring, in order to ascertain to what degree you should attempt to mitigate the risk of that "problem".

In this case:

1.  922(r) only pertains to "assembly" and "importation";
2.  ATF has expressly said that posession of a non-compliant rifle is not a crime; and
3.  To the best of my knowledge, no one has ever been arrested or even lost a rifle solely due to a 922(r) problem.

Given the facts and the risk profile, it is not worth even 3 seconds of my time to address an "issue", that isn't actually an "issue".

You can't run around life trying to protect yourself from every little issue that could forseeably, some way or some how, cause some sort of problem for you at some undefined point in the future.  You have to look at the actual risk of a problem, and evoke logic and reason to determine what - if anything - needs to be done.  Given 1-3 above, I find no logical reason to worry about my MAK-90, which I suspect might not be compliant.

I sleep just fine at night, too.  

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