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Posted: 1/23/2009 9:36:43 PM EDT
Now, first off, I'm not wearing the tin-foil hat, and this is NOT a debate on whether the ban will happen. However, since I was in grade school when the first one came (and went), I'm not exactly sure what the ban, well, bans. Therefore, my question is:

What is banned? I know sales of whole rifles (I'd assume something like CA gun laws, with detachable magazine and no-more-than-10rd fixed rules). What about parts kits, magazines, etc? Will recievers be outlawed? Can I stock up on recievers now, and buy parts kits later? Will it become illegal to build? And it remains legal to own the weapons you already have, correct?

I'm essentially trying to figure out how much of my college budget I need to allocate to short-term "just-in-case-it-happens" savings, so I want to know exactly what I will and won't be able to do. I'm looking to pick up at least 1 more before a ban has a chance to pass, but right now my savings amount to all of $100. (had a job for a week... and yes, I'm still in high school)
Link Posted: 1/23/2009 9:45:09 PM EDT
[#1]
Link Posted: 1/24/2009 12:14:29 AM EDT
[#2]
If a ban happens again it won't have loopholes this time around.

They even want to ban the transfer of all assault type weapons.  One draft going around had no transfer of firearm if say the owner died, the rifles couldn't be transfered to family members.  If transfers are banned you will never get that firearm you have always wanted.

No private sales, no gun shows.  No new hi cap mags, no pistol grips, no flash hiders, no collapsible or side folding stocks on new weapons.  No ammunition that can defeat a bullet proof vest.  There would go all your hunting rifles and sabot shotgun slugs (went right through the vest we had at work before the expiration date of the vest).

No firearm that resembles any military firearms.

The new dictator has been busy issuing Executive Orders on everything he wouldn't be able to get passed in the Congress. What's he done, issued 6 executive orders already?  No president has ever issued that many in their first week in office.

Imports were banned before using Executive Orders.  I can see him banning the importation of ammo and all firearms parts with an EO.  If that happens it will kill the use of AKs and many ARs that shoot steel cased ammo.

Taxes on ammo, this is one that would act as a defacto ban.  If you don't have a lifetime supply of ammo what good is the gun?

Link Posted: 1/24/2009 3:26:48 AM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:

Taxes on ammo, this is one that would act as a defacto ban.  If you don't have a lifetime supply of ammo what good is the gun?



Oh no, don't let me start that contraband ammo convo again.  
Link Posted: 1/24/2009 4:20:40 AM EDT
[#4]
If you believe what he says the President wants to re-enact the previous ban and make it permanent. IIRC, that law outlawed bayonet lugs, flash hiders, threaded barrels and the manufacture of  "high capacity" magazines for citizens.
If you think he may not be telling the truth, plan on the worst and act accordingly.
Link Posted: 1/24/2009 6:34:50 AM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
If a ban happens again it won't have loopholes this time around.

They even want to ban the transfer of all assault type weapons.  One draft going around had no transfer of firearm if say the owner died, the rifles couldn't be transfered to family members.  If transfers are banned you will never get that firearm you have always wanted.

No private sales, no gun shows.  No new hi cap mags, no pistol grips, no flash hiders, no collapsible or side folding stocks on new weapons.  No ammunition that can defeat a bullet proof vest.  There would go all your hunting rifles and sabot shotgun slugs (went right through the vest we had at work before the expiration date of the vest).

No firearm that resembles any military firearms.

The new dictator has been busy issuing Executive Orders on everything he wouldn't be able to get passed in the Congress. What's he done, issued 6 executive orders already?  No president has ever issued that many in their first week in office.

Imports were banned before using Executive Orders.  I can see him banning the importation of ammo and all firearms parts with an EO.  If that happens it will kill the use of AKs and many ARs that shoot steel cased ammo.

Taxes on ammo, this is one that would act as a defacto ban.  If you don't have a lifetime supply of ammo what good is the gun?



Well said sir  I just hate reading it
Link Posted: 1/24/2009 7:05:51 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Now, first off, I'm not wearing the tin-foil hat, and this is NOT a debate on whether the ban will happen. However, since I was in grade school when the first one came (and went), I'm not exactly sure what the ban, well, bans. Therefore, my question is:

What is banned? I know sales of whole rifles (I'd assume something like CA gun laws, with detachable magazine and no-more-than-10rd fixed rules). What about parts kits, magazines, etc? Will recievers be outlawed? Can I stock up on recievers now, and buy parts kits later? Will it become illegal to build? And it remains legal to own the weapons you already have, correct?

I'm essentially trying to figure out how much of my college budget I need to allocate to short-term "just-in-case-it-happens" savings, so I want to know exactly what I will and won't be able to do. I'm looking to pick up at least 1 more before a ban has a chance to pass, but right now my savings amount to all of $100. (had a job for a week... and yes, I'm still in high school)


during the last ban i bought a complete upper from armalite. i know its not an ak. thought i would mention it it helps
Link Posted: 1/24/2009 7:50:14 AM EDT
[#7]
So if I had a reciever I couldn't buy a parts kit and assemble it? And could I still buy pre-ban mags? Can I still buy, say, flash hiders for a gun I've had since pre-ban?
Link Posted: 1/24/2009 8:22:55 AM EDT
[#8]
I've always wondered if you could make a nephew, niece or grandchild a "co-owner" of the rifle by some means.........that way, it's theirs as well and you can give it to them when you are gone........

As for the ammo issues, I am stocking up on as much as I can afford when I can afford it.........with hopes that domestic mfg picks the calibers up, although they would probably be taxed to death.........we might get 1994 all over again

Quoted:
If a ban happens again it won't have loopholes this time around.

They even want to ban the transfer of all assault type weapons.  One draft going around had no transfer of firearm if say the owner died, the rifles couldn't be transfered to family members.  If transfers are banned you will never get that firearm you have always wanted.

No private sales, no gun shows.  No new hi cap mags, no pistol grips, no flash hiders, no collapsible or side folding stocks on new weapons.  No ammunition that can defeat a bullet proof vest.  There would go all your hunting rifles and sabot shotgun slugs (went right through the vest we had at work before the expiration date of the vest).

No firearm that resembles any military firearms.

The new dictator has been busy issuing Executive Orders on everything he wouldn't be able to get passed in the Congress. What's he done, issued 6 executive orders already?  No president has ever issued that many in their first week in office.

Imports were banned before using Executive Orders.  I can see him banning the importation of ammo and all firearms parts with an EO.  If that happens it will kill the use of AKs and many ARs that shoot steel cased ammo.

Taxes on ammo, this is one that would act as a defacto ban.  If you don't have a lifetime supply of ammo what good is the gun?



Link Posted: 1/24/2009 10:05:19 AM EDT
[#9]
I'm pretty sure that they'll be grandfathered in... think of it this way. During the 89' import ban the guns that were banned from import were still transfereable. After the ban on cheap handguns was put into effect, they were grandfathered in. During the 1994 awb they were grandfathered in.
Link Posted: 1/24/2009 10:12:50 AM EDT
[#10]
Link Posted: 1/24/2009 10:33:49 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I've always wondered if you could make a nephew, niece or grandchild a "co-owner" of the rifle by some means.........that way, it's theirs as well and you can give it to them when you are gone........



While I haven't fully researched the matter, if you went the "cooperation" route like NFA stuff, you may be able to include your kids/grand kids into the paperwork. Then listing the firearms as property of the cooperation, they technically would be owners of said firearms.

It may be something worth looking into.


Yet another reason an NFA trust can be handy for more than just NFA stuff.

not to mention, anything that gets passed has to have a reasonable period of time between signature and effective date.

wouldn't be too hard to print up a new Schedule A for a trust with more stuff listed.  Would probably actually take less than an hour.
Link Posted: 1/24/2009 11:14:49 AM EDT
[#12]
Buy whatever you want now. Whatever it is, you won't be able to get it later, no matter how much money you spend (legally). Better $700 plus now for a reliable ugly gun you wouldn't have looked at twice two years ago, than to not be able to buy anything at all, let alone sell something, if the One gets his way.

It would be nice to look back at this post in the Archive a few years now, and say, "man, was I way off", but all signs point to a big freeze on our guns. No buy, no sell, only keep ones you already have. Maybe.


When a hurricane is coming, you prepare for it.
Link Posted: 1/24/2009 1:25:27 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
So if I had a reciever I couldn't buy a parts kit and assemble it? And could I still buy pre-ban mags? Can I still buy, say, flash hiders for a gun I've had since pre-ban?


It's unlikely that it would be legal to assemble a rifle for yourself if manufacturing it for sale was made illegal. If the law is the same as the previous one, you would be able to buy pre-ban magazines, but there's no way to tell what the law may be until it's the law.

Link Posted: 1/24/2009 1:37:08 PM EDT
[#14]
Not to Chime-In with a few Posts!  I would worry more about a TOTAL BAN!!!!!!!!!!

TOTAL BAN!!!!!!!!!!  AND Not just Semi-Auto, Self Loading Firearms & Ammo, BUT ALL FIREAMRS PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's happened in other countries!
Link Posted: 1/24/2009 1:57:19 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/24/2009 2:06:54 PM EDT
[#16]
I may look into that myself, as I have 4 nephews I would like to pass mine on to when I am gone...........unless the annointed one tries for one fell swoop to get them all


Quoted:
Quoted:
I've always wondered if you could make a nephew, niece or grandchild a "co-owner" of the rifle by some means.........that way, it's theirs as well and you can give it to them when you are gone........



While I haven't fully researched the matter, if you went the "cooperation" route like NFA stuff, you may be able to include your kids/grand kids into the paperwork. Then listing the firearms as property of the cooperation, they technically would be owners of said firearms.

It may be something worth looking into.


Link Posted: 1/24/2009 2:20:07 PM EDT
[#17]
What im wondering is will everyone just lay down when the time comes or will they be up in arms and fight back?



Quoted:
Not to Chime-In with a few Posts!  I would worry more about a TOTAL BAN!!!!!!!!!!

TOTAL BAN!!!!!!!!!!  AND Not just Semi-Auto, Self Loading Firearms & Ammo, BUT ALL FIREAMRS PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's happened in other countries!


Link Posted: 1/24/2009 2:47:49 PM EDT
[#18]
it all depends on what the bill is written to contain, NO ONE on this board knows what it  will consist of, everybody is just GUESSINNG. buy what you like, thats all you can do
Link Posted: 1/24/2009 5:25:07 PM EDT
[#19]
My theory about gun ban/confiscation is as follows: If they banned everything or at least most everything and tried going to every suspected house in America to confiscate guns it would be impossible. There just wouldn't be the man power to pull off such an operation. However I could see a ban put into effect with a "grace" period in which the gun owner could willingly turn in there guns. Then after the "grace" period they place a reward to anyone who turns in somebody who has a gun after that time.
Link Posted: 1/24/2009 5:50:28 PM EDT
[#20]
I think the Heller decision at least protects us from a total ban and confiscation of all firearms.
Link Posted: 1/25/2009 6:22:01 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
Now, first off, I'm not wearing the tin-foil hat, and this is NOT a debate on whether the ban will happen. However, since I was in grade school when the first one came (and went), I'm not exactly sure what the ban, well, bans. Therefore, my question is:

What is banned? I know sales of whole rifles (I'd assume something like CA gun laws, with detachable magazine and no-more-than-10rd fixed rules). What about parts kits, magazines, etc? Will recievers be outlawed? Can I stock up on recievers now, and buy parts kits later? Will it become illegal to build? And it remains legal to own the weapons you already have, correct?

I'm essentially trying to figure out how much of my college budget I need to allocate to short-term "just-in-case-it-happens" savings, so I want to know exactly what I will and won't be able to do. I'm looking to pick up at least 1 more before a ban has a chance to pass, but right now my savings amount to all of $100. (had a job for a week... and yes, I'm still in high school)


Last time I think the rifle had to be "assembled" prior to the enactment of the ban.  Of course, no one could actually tell if the recievers you had bought wad been assembled with bayo lugs, flash hiders, etc before enactment.  Stockpiling recievers might not help because if you assemble them into rifles later you may be breaking the law.



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